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PostSubject: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:57 pm

This topic is for investigating the concepts of sovereignty versus transnational progressivism. In the topic on French Elections I tried understanding sovereignty as "ownership as supreme excellence", combining an "outdated" definition of sovereignty with Fixed Cross's idea that we should think not in terms of rights but in terms of ownership.

Beginning with the primacy of the category of the individual is important. The logic of self-valuing shows that only self-valuings can be considered absolutely onticly cohered; does a group self-value? No, a group is a collective of forces and pressures and emergent tendencies amongst individuals in states of cooperation and competition with regard to values. Groups do not self-value, rather groups are one way in which individuals self-value and are an effect of individuals self-valuing.

Why would a philosophical paradigm exist that elevates groups over individuals? Simply put there are two reasons for this: simply apathy/entropy of the person who does not wish to expend the time and mental discipline to think clearly, and also the fact that ideologies of group primary are effective as tools for controlling and suppressing individual sovereignty. Machinery of slavery operates effectively when built upon such purely ideological foundations.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:59 pm

To offer a more extensive understanding of transnational progressivism, which I consider to be the enemy in raw form, I'll quote from a lengthy article below:



    TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVISM
    The key concepts of transnational progressivism could be described as follows:

    The ascribed group over the individual citizen. The key political unit is not the individual citizen, who forms voluntary associations and works with fellow citizens regardless of race, sex, or national origin, but the ascriptive group (racial, ethnic, or gender) into which one is born.

    A dichotomy of groups: Oppressor vs. victim groups, with immigrant groups designated as victims. Transnational ideologists have incorporated the essentially Hegelian Marxist "privileged vs. marginalized" dichotomy.

    Group proportionalism as the goal of "fairness." Transnational progressivism assumes that "victim" groups should be represented in all professions roughly proportionate to their percentage of the population. If not, there is a problem of "underrepresentation."

    The values of all dominant institutions to be changed to reflect the perspectives of the victim groups. Transnational progressives insist that it is not enough to have proportional representation of minorities in major institutions if these institutions continue to reflect the worldview of the "dominant" culture. Instead, the distinct worldviews of ethnic, gender, and linguistic minorities must be represented within these institutions.

    The "demographic imperative." The demographic imperative tells us that major demographic changes are occurring in the U. S. as millions of new immigrants from non-Western cultures enter American life. The traditional paradigm based on the assimilation of immigrants into an existing American civic culture is obsolete and must be changed to a framework that promotes "diversity," defined as group proportionalism.

    The redefinition of democracy and "democratic ideals." Transnational progressives have been altering the definition of "democracy" from that of a system of majority rule among equal citizens to one of power sharing among ethnic groups composed of both citizens and non-citizens. James Banks, one of American education's leading textbook writers, noted in 1994 that "to create an authentic democratic Unum with moral authority and perceived legitimacy, the pluribus (diverse peoples) must negotiate and share power." Hence, American democracy is not authentic; real democracy will come when the different "peoples" that live within America "share power" as groups.

    Deconstruction of national narratives and national symbols of democratic nation-states in the West. In October 2000, a UK government report denounced the concept of "Britishness" and declared that British history needed to be "revised, rethought, or jettisoned." In the U.S., the proposed "National History Standards," recommended altering the traditional historical narrative. Instead of emphasizing the story of European settlers, American civilization would be redefined as a multicultural "convergence" of three civilizations—Amerindian, West African, and European. In Israel, a "post-Zionist" intelligentsia has proposed that Israel consider itself multicultural and deconstruct its identity as a Jewish state. Even Israeli foreign minister Shimon Peres sounded the post-Zionist trumpet in his 1993 book , in which he deemphasized "sovereignty" and called for regional "elected central bodies," a type of Middle Eastern EU.

    Promotion of the concept of postnational citizenship. In an important academic paper, Rutgers Law Professor Linda Bosniak asks hopefully "Can advocates of postnational citizenship ultimately succeed in decoupling the concept of citizenship from the nation-state in prevailing political thought?"


    The idea of transnationalism as a major conceptual tool. Transnationalism is the next stage of multicultural ideology. Like multiculturalism, transnationalism is a concept that provides elites with both an empirical tool (a plausible analysis of what is) and an ideological framework (a vision of what should be). Transnational advocates argue that globalization requires some form of "global governance" because they believe that the nation-state and the idea of national citizenship are ill suited to deal with the global problems of the future.

    The same scholars who touted multiculturalism now herald the coming transnational age. Thus, Alejandro Portes of Princeton University argues that transnationalism, combined with large-scale immigration, will redefine the meaning of American citizenship.The promotion of transnationalism is an attempt to shape this crucial intellectual struggle over globalization. Its adherents imply that one is either in step with globalization, and thus forward-looking, or one is a backward antiglobalist. Liberal democrats (who are internationalists and support free trade and market economics) must reply that this is a false dichotomy—that the critical argument is not between globalists and antiglobalists, but instead over the form global engagement should take in the coming decades: will it be transnationalist or internationalist?

    TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVISM'S SOCIAL BASE: A POST-NATIONAL INTELLIGENTSIA
    The social base of transnational progressivism constitutes a rising postnational intelligentsia (international law professors, NGO activists, foundation officers, UN bureaucrats, EU administrators, corporate executives, and politicians.) When social movements such as "transnationalism" and "global governance" are depicted as the result of social forces or the movement of history, a certain impersonal inevitability is implied. However, in the twentieth century the Bolshevik Revolution, the National Socialist revolution, the New Deal, the Reagan Revolution, the Gaullist national reconstruction in France, and the creation of the EU were not inevitable, but were the result of the exercise of political will by elites.Similarly, transnationalism, multiculturalism, and global governance, like "diversity," are ideological tools championed by activist elites, not impersonal forces of history. The success or failure of these values-laden concepts will ultimately depend upon the political will and effectiveness of these elites.

    HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS
    A good part of the energy for transnational progressivism is provided by human rights activists, who consistently evoke "evolving norms of international law." The main legal conflict between traditional American liberal democrats and transnational progressives is ultimately the question of whether the U. S. Constitution trumps international law or vice versa.

    Before the mid-twentieth century, traditional international law referred to relations among nation-states. The "new international law" has increasingly penetrated the sovereignty of democratic nation-states. It is in reality "transnational law." Human rights activists work to establish norms for this "new international [i.e. transnational] law" and then attempt to bring the U. S. into conformity with a legal regime whose reach often extends beyond democratic politics.

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    THE EU AS A STRONGHOLD OF TRANSNATIONAL PROGRESSIVISM
    The EU is a large supranational macro-organization that embodies transnational progressivism. Its governmental structure is post-democratic. Power in the EU principally resides in the European Commission (EC) and to a lesser extent the European Court of Justice (ECJ). The EC, the EU's executive body, initiates legislative action, implements common policy, and controls a large bureaucracy. It is composed of a rotating presidency and nineteen commissioners chosen by the member-states and approved by the European Parliament. It is unelected and, for the most part, unaccountable.

    A white paper issued by the EC suggests that this unaccountability is one reason for its success:"[the] "essential source of the success of European integration is that [it] is_independent from national, sectoral, or other influences." This "democracy deficit" represents a moral challenge to EU legitimacy.

    The substantive polices advanced by EU leaders on issues such as "hate speech," "hate crimes," "comparable worth" for women's pay, and group preferences are considerably more "progressive" in the EU than in the U. S. The ECJ has overruled national parliaments and public opinion in nation-states by ordering the British to incorporate gays and the Germans to incorporate women in combat units in their respective military services. The ECJ even struck down a British law on corporal punishment, declaring that parental spanking is internationally recognized as an abuse of human rights.Two Washington lawyers, Lee Casey and David Rivkin, have argued that the EU ideology that "denies the ultimate authority of the nation-state" and transfers policy making from elected representatives to bureaucrats "suggests a dramatic divergence" with "basic principles of popular sovereignty once shared by both Europe's democracies and the United States."

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:20 pm

Another important question to consider: why is the relative autonomy of the nation-state important as a condition of possibility for individual sovereignty qua ownership as supreme excellence?

Simply put this is because individuals exist as locality units. An individual being occupies a particular place in space and time, a particular set of ideas and axioms, instincts and tendencies both genetic and learned, goals, values, motive forces, 'wills', etc. Most striking is the fact that individuals form relations to other individuals in clearly local contexts: the relationships formed from one individual to another are linear in space and time, direct, and categorically based upon individuation as logic or as principle; locality is an effect of self-valuings in concerted interaction with one another qua individuals.

To remove or reduce the locality of contexts involved to the interactions of individuals is to deteriorate the substances that give rise to, further, and emerge from self-valuing. Self-valuing valences operate by implicit locality fiat: values occupy certain positions within valences of a self-valuing, and may be closer or further away from the self-valuing 'core'. As values move farther out they become more difficult to value; this is pure geometry, also geography (tectonics). This is also why people naturally care more about others whom they know such as family and close friends than they care about strangers or people on the other side of the planet; this is not "bad" that we have this scale or skew of valuing-preference, indeed it would be absolutely impossible to remake valuing without this built in "discrimination". A self-valuing without in-group preference and self-identity preference, and without the geometry and geography of values-landscapes in space and time, in both physical and metaphysical senses, would not be a self-valuing at all and would be entirely unable to form values.

To value means to discriminate. To weigh one thing as greater than another. To notice a difference and act accordingly.

This gives some insight into why globalism/transnational progressivism is so dangerous to self-valuing: these ideologies are implicitly communist-Marxist and denigrate the category of the individual in favor of the category of the group, and remember that groups cannot self-value, only individuals can self-value -- and that groups are always-already examples of the values and valuings of individuals. The idea of national autonomy (not national sovereignty, for sovereignty is reserved for the individual alone) is crucial because it replicates the principle of locality in a clear and unambiguous way, instantiating this principle and allowing for its active defense. In turn, the locality principle ensures that on many other levels of society, economy, politics, and culture there will be locality units and preference given to local dynamics within those regions. Smaller regions get tiered up and stacked tectonically into larger regions, yet without losing their own ontic consistency and local ownership. This is also how nature works: daemonically, by the suspension and extension of antagonistic differences in order to mitigate antagonisms in the broader expansion of space and time of the unit of local proliferation, literally creating ontological reality and the universe as a result.

So in short, national autonomy is to be valued over transnationalism/globalism precisely because national autonomy is a representation of the locality principle allowing for the replication of this principle on many other tiered levels within society, as well as helps provide the effective means for the active defense of this principle.



 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:28 pm

I must confess that I will always be the main character in any book written about me.

"The Group" has no idea what my needs are therefore it plays little to no part in my life.

I refuse to be a herd animal and I refuse to allow someone else to live my life for me.

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:05 pm

I'd like to add to this that all considerations about power are incomplete and distorted as long as they do not explicitly refer to ones own will to power. Ownership as ground to logic through self-possession, integrity. Integer-ness, which is never absolute, always subject to enormous entropic resistance of 'the Broken' or 'the Mass' and thence noble when approached.

In science it is relatively easy to stay on the objective side of things, in politics it is perfectly impossible.

Since all in politics refers to human agents and human all too human ideologies, often enough subhuman, which is very far less than animal, all of it is essentially folly - thus it can all only essentially be understood by foolishly partaking - or wisely so, wisely turning the foolery to ones hand.

My VO/Globalism thread has for that reason been given, as my own personal claim to power, which is only a means to properly commentary power in general.

Hobbes and Locke are examples to study in this sense, Heideggers mistakes are in this sense important, Descartes religion, Kants moralisms, etc - all philosophers traits and quirks are their hidden ways of participating in what they pretend to objectively disclose. Nietzsche, therefore, was the sharpest of the lot - he was the first to draw a straight line between his subject and himself.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:12 pm

on groups with and without integrity: The Pentad is a Form, not simply a buncha folks.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:22 pm

Anyway, back to the subject.

The West, the Occidental spirit, is going through the convulsions that embody the struggle for a higher plateau, a rebirth of its power. This can not be monolithic and collectivistic, it must be pluralistic and individualistic. Yet also it must carry itself under some standard. And this standard is what began to reveal itself to me when I took a closer look at the very ratty seeming Macron. I noticed then that he has a quality of mangnanimousness, which earlier I identified halfheartedly as drunkenness, but now that we're in a further stage of the disclosure, I can call by its name. Macron takes palpable joy in being French, as much or perhaps even more than in being rich. I like very much his phrase "France needs more young guys that want to be billionaires". It's the right attitude, a Trumpian stance to nationality, magnanimous self interest. France has tremendous capacity, its war technology with Russia as a client, is second only to the US. Only Israel is match, but theyre far smaller in scope.

With England gone Europe is for the taking - besides all that's been mentioned, they're now the only nuclear power in the EU.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:31 pm

And thus then we get the logic we are discussing -
Europe, through sovereign France, is for the taking for itself.
It needs a strong agent, a strong "First among equals" to guide itself into hierarchic-organic structure, dynamism, self-valuing.

Paris is the most natural capital for contemporary Europe, I dont think anyone would question that in private, except those who prefer Rome, to which I say that she is the Eternal capital.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:31 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
I'd like to add to this that all considerations about power are incomplete and distorted as long as they do not explicitly refer to ones own will to power.

Nietzsche, therefore, was the sharpest of the lot - he was the first to draw a straight line between his subject and himself.

Well pointed out. There is a great difference between my perspective of the objective "me" and what others view as the subjective "me". And don't even try walking a mile in my shoes; your feet wouldn't be able to handle it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:35 am

Fixed Cross wrote:

Paris is the most natural capital for contemporary Europe, I dont think anyone would question that in private, except those who prefer Rome, to which I say that she is the Eternal capital.


Yeah, Rome is the mythical capital. Paris has always been the real capital of European culture.
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PostSubject: Re: Sovereignty vs transnational progressivism    Mon May 01, 2017 1:42 pm

Indeed.

Paris played a role in the life of Emperor Julian, too.

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