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PostSubject: Civil war   Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:27 am

This is copied over from a post at ILP:


I'll lay out the real problem: neither the right nor the left has taken responsibility, and by that I mean that Trump and his fans needs to take some responsibility for how Trump campaigned and debated in such a way that, while highly entertaining to us on the "right", was designed to be deliberately offensive and provocative of the DFL/left side, and the DFL/left/media needs to take responsibility for how it both created the climate of politically correct censorship and shaming of conservatives as well as for how the DFL/left/media have been reacting to Trump's deliberate offense and provocations.

This is natural process, the left has been over-reaching for 30 years now and has used its power in the social status quo to mock and ridicule average American people most of whom have a natural libertarian or conservative bent, but then this leftist pressure has produced someone like Trump, who actually fights back. If Trump had not been such an "ass" then he would never have gotten elected, and the GOP establishment shares the blame for this fact also. But now we are stuck in a spiral where more offensiveness, insult, personal attacks and dehumanizing of the other side only leads to more of the same from that other side. Back and forth, we are spiraling toward some kind of civil war. It can be averted if even one side takes responsibility and calls things as they are, on the whole, rather than continuing to be stuck in the partisan paradigms.

http://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=2668074#p2668074

 

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PostSubject: Re: Civil war   Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:42 am

What did we think would happen when Trump spent a year and a half calling the democrats and their supporters "weak", "babies", "cowards", "liars", "crooks", "corrupt", and making directly offensive comments (or merely implications) about reporters, women, or Mexicans? The thing is that what Trump said is usually true, so it needed to be said, but my problem with it was that he employed a very hyperbolic and personalized tactic that indeed worked well to get him elected but could only deeply insult and offend those on the other side.

Trump's tactics were indeed close to bullying, and although he was usually careful not to cross that line too much and also what he said was often true (yes Shill is indeed a crook), we can't ignore the role this tactic played in inciting the left/liberals and the media to push as far as possible toward instability and pure propaganda. This is simply how it is... for every person on the left/media/progressive who will admit Trump was right and do some soul-searching, a thousand others will simply harden even further against him. Emotional attacks in politics have this effect, and Trump's tactics were highly emotional.

But the other thing is that we do need some bullying, some emotional and "strong man" attitude, and this is what really pisses me off about the SJWs and their crusade to make everything "polite". America wasn't made by people who were afraid of a couple mean comments, or afraid of leveling a highly personal and emotional attack now and then. For a human being to be strong enough to manage reality, and we need such people to maintain a free society of responsible individuals, he/she cannot be as thin-skinned as all these highly triggered leftists/liberals of today. So I'm not exactly blaming Trump, but I do wish to point out the various causalities that have brought us to this point.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Civil war   Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:49 am

Ha, yeah this is precisely it: Trump forced these mild "progressives" and status quo sycophants to encounter the limit of their own triggered-ness. They are indeed responsible now for how they react to being taken to that limit.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Civil war   Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:21 am

This contains the seed of something very important.

The principle of war had transgressed or transmuted into an emotional-semantic field. It has drawn closer to its origin, which is the fundamental derangement of values between memetically defined beings.

Only those humans whose waking consciousness is rooted without neurotic contradiction patterns into their earthy reality, in other words, only those humans with guts, however they may suffer, are able to defeat anyone but themselves in this war. But they are also the only ones that sense the weight of things.

The weight of things...
we no longer need lightness and nimble feet - well, we do need those to survive the emotional climate - but we need predominantly to rediscover the idea of weight, of severity - of truth - which is in this sense a corrective force.

Truth can be seen as a dark hooded rider encircling the party of raving bedsheed-clad drunkards.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Civil war   Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:32 pm

Well, I am already locked and loaded and ready for the war.

Of course, I hope it doesn't come to that.

I think a lot of us need reassess our values.
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