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PostSubject: Japans genetic decline   Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:30 pm



I honestly think race-mixing is the only solution here.
Imagine the vast treasures that would be unlocked, when oversaturated lineages of millennia old Japanese blood are allowed entrance into wholesome caucasian genepools - the results would surely be relatively superhuman, Id expect some IQs topping 200 and some physiological finesse matching that of cats.

Japan has prepared its gene pool for thousands of years for this moment, one could say. This is the moment where all that discipline and breeding can pay off for the greater good of the Earth.

New human animals.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:09 am

No time for sex. Now that's a real shame.

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:56 am

I agree with Fixed. Racial mixing will be beneficial. Arabs and East/North Africans into the west. Too much mixing is bad, diluting, but that will not happen. Mixing will be kept to a healthy moderation, because as soon as mixing begins to approach optimal saturation then "pure race breeding" will respond and increase in turn, to compensate. We are still very much natural evolutionary, 'unconscious' animals. Islam will indeed prove a very positive influence in the west, although not without its challenges (obviously).

As for Japan, Japan is in sexual decline only because Japanese youth/anime culture has reached such a peak of supremacy that they simply have almost no need for sex anymore. They are entirely satisfied/enlightened without it. Their culture is able to produce real satisfaction and highest stimuli to the point that the evolutionary drive-pleasure for sex is actually overcome. Amazing.

The older generation of Japanese men simply worked 60-80 hours a week, and had less time for sex but still would make the time, in particular with prostitutes or having a mistress. Work=money=power=sex. But now sex is actually "overcome", because the underlying need/urge for it has been sublimated and pointed in a different direction... pretty cool. Basically, real partners and real relationships can never be as good as the fantasy-anime partners and relationships. The fantasy-image reigns, contextualizing power and truth in terms of itself, placing itself as the self-valuing center of the axis [power<-->truth<-->fantasy].

No culture on earth is more 'sexually satisfied' than Japanese youth culture, and this is seen in the fact they have no more need for sex.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:07 am

Hmm, I must question this very seriously.
I think the the Japanese people has lost its appetite for itself since it was forced to do away with its honour culture and introduce a modern, relatively egalitarian, rationalistic one.

I am certain that in the higher echelons of Japanese culture, the Keiretsu-lords, the Yakuza, and the politicians, the sexual drive is still very powerful.

The anime fantasy image may suffice to replace the sexual drive of the young who live in relatively sober conditions, but I do not think that this is a matter of satisfaction, rather of the impossibility of being satisfied physically, with what their genetic history demands, and what modern morals,  conditions, tastes, industries, habits, have to offer.

From what Ive read on ancient Japanese culture, for a Japanese person to truly be sexually satisfied takes quite a bit. Physical satisfaction was basically their highest art, most of their rituals are designed to provide for the most perfect sensory experience.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:16 am

Consider it this way: war itself is one of those things I mentioned in the other thread, things that, without drugs, would not make sense. A pillar of culture - the foundation of Japans warrior culture which is the foundation of is aesthetics. Strength, finesse, cleanliness.

So they lost the war. Worse, they almost lost Okinawa, which would mean losing their entire Japanese-human self-valuing, their cultural heart, their meaning. This means that basically all of their self-aphrodisiizing powers got washed away in that war. I see anime, and nintendo, and all of their supreme 20th century genius with which they rule now, as an attempt to rediscover, re-invent themselves with the excess they had left.

But I do think that the country feels itself far, far less than it did three centuries ago. I talk to a Japanese lady here sometimes, she is even convinced that Japan will never truly exist anymore, since the US has basically decided how to milk it, and what to make sure will never exist there again -- warrior culture.

But lets just see.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:26 am

Many Japanese kids live in pure fantasy these days. Adults too. I agree that the old high power class, Yakuzas, businessmen, etc. still rule in Japan and still have their sexual power-lust and genetic lineage running strong, but mostly I see it now being about the younger generations. Work-obsession has spread from just being for Japanese males to being for Japanese males and females now, with the consequence of the feminist-driven, consumerist-nihilistic decline of the Japanese woman. But this hasn't gripped the youth there, because the youth do not need to work like that, girls and women 20s to early 30s can still live in relative freedom from work-obsession.

Of course I have never been to Japan, so my insights aren't first hand. I will go someday and learn more directly what it is like there.

As for losing the war, I think this is what led to their existential rebound. Japan has mastery in literature, video games, technology development, and anime-fantasy culture. This combines with their more traditional Buddhist/samurai/heroic culture, so they are an extreme clash. But this is good and healthy. Because they lost the war they have been forced to search for their cultural heart, to create a new meaning that fuses the old and the new -- a way forward. Anime makes Japanese guys hornier, but because of this they do not seek more sex with women. Real women cannot live up to the divine expectations and perfection that is the anime-image. So they just live in that image. To them, this is better than reality.

I don't know what will happen when the younger generations replace the current work-lust powerengine of the mid and older generations that currently drive Japanese economy. I would suspect that enough of Japanese youth will rediscover their will to power and take over the industries and businesses as a new class of CEOs and engineers. Robotics and VR will then be more fully integrated into their lifestyle.


HYPER-REALITY from Keiichi Matsuda on Vimeo.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:45 am

This relates also to the error of Marxism: Marxism assumes that surplus value of workers is being "stolen" by employers, when in reality workers want to give their surplus-value. This is more than evident in places like Japan.

This is what self-valuing looks like. The more we can give our surplus-value, see it used and valued by something (an organization, for example) that also values us with paychecks, benefits, good working conditions, social status, etc. the more our own self-valuing can increase. Values are mutual, not parasitic, in most cases. Certainly in the case of an advanced knowledge-based free market economy. Japanese people are happy to sacrifice much in order to find this kind of work-value. This includes sacrificing having a family or dating or even sex, not really because these "get in the way of work" but just because when the work+fantasy valueworld has become rich enough there is little motivation left, little valuing left for the more traditional valueworlds such as family, dating and sex.

In a weird way, Japan is already ahead of the curve, they are at the forward point. Family, dating, sex, traditional community, being in nature, all of these things are going to be considered prosaic and uninteresting by youth of tomorrow. I'm not saying I like this fact, only that I think it is the way it is going. The modern world has found new ways of enticing surplus-value to be freely given from people, and these new ways are increasingly monetizeable, economic. Economy and work will stitch together a new cultural ethos; while in the past and still to a degree in the present it is the case that family, relationships, sex, community, these constitute the primary sphere of culture and work/economy constitutes the secondary sphere of culture, I think these will flip. I think this is the underlying message of fictional work such as that VR/hyper-reality video I posted, or shows like Black Mirror.

Fantasy/anime/gaming is just a medium, a kind of fluid grease to smooth the transition as the cultural spheres continue their slow rotation, continue to flip in which is primary and which secondary. Or maybe fantasy/anime/gaming is an excess of the subjective existential pain and disconnection that the flip is causing.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:30 pm

Another way to look at it is that as children become less common and as this becomes more of a problem for society, having children will increase in value. As having children increases in value more people will start to have children.

It's just a pendulum swing. For a while it has been taken as given that many children will be produced by society, but of course this isn't given. It may be given in certain contexts, like post war baby booms. But in general it could easily be seen how a society reaches a context where having children is not seen as valuable enough relative to the value-costs.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:43 pm

Japan is certainly an irreducible case, or the spearhead of the irreducible case, the state of humanity between biologically and electronically engendered values. It would be unfair and unreasonable to compare Japan to any other nation with declining birthrates, as it does indeed have these powers you attribute to it.

For the sake of clarity, and simply because this is my nature, I will stick with the perspective anchored in biology, where I consider the sex drive as quite simply a measure of the health of the population - an indicator of its future prospects. If people don't have sex, they don't have children, so the country dies. Thats what the Germans were evidently afraid of after WWII - as losers, the Germans didn't much feel like procreating, which is what happens in an honor-culture. Power is their greatest aphrodisiac, it is what seduces them to themselves.

The Japanese have always been the same - it can not be underestimated what a tremendous blow to their self-valuing integrity it was to lose the war - and to such banal forces - and to have these forces take hold of their sacred land. For a good part the fantasy image in their case is a deflection of the power of the caucasians, a way of retreating (or advancing) into a sphere where they are still sovereign.

So Japan is in dire straits, no matter how you look at it - they can not possibly continue producing cutting edge technologies and imagery if they fail to procreate. On the other hand, they arguably are the only culture that manages to create beyond itself at this time. I don't have a clear idea yet of the possible futures of this country - I just know it will play a significant part in the next steps humanity will take, as it needs to reinvent itself, and it being the cutting edge, thereby reinvent aspects of humanity, and of nature itself.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:24 pm

I honestly don't think a low birth rate is a problem for a country. So long as that country is productive and first world level, they can easily sustain low birth rates and declining population. In fact this could even be beneficial sinceavailable wealth and jobs are spread over less people, thus elevating the average position. MIT did that study which showed no correlation between a country's GDP and an aging population, this makes perfect sense to me. The elderly are repositories of wisdom and perspective, who better to understand this than the Japanese?

A smaller native population could end up being very good for them. Part of the declining birth rates can be attributed to there already being too many people.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:11 pm

That is true.
I am more worried about its causes than its results.
At this point I don't attribute to Japanese youth culture the vigour that you do. But then, I don't watch anime.

I am more than willing to suspend my pessimism, and engage the possibilities of Japan being an effective vanguard of wisdom on the future Earth, for which a lot of vigour is needed, but indeed, a check on the instincts might not be superfluous either.

The last thing they seduced me with was the SNES, and its first generation of games. That is true spirit, a full fruit of power as translating to fantasy to circumvent the lying forms of truth and invite the greater forms.

Certainly, to me, Japans visionaries are the greatest in te world. So yes, it only makes sense that, if we want to conceive of a form of global order that isn't globalism, a true order, something that engenders, Japan might be the pioneer in setting its terms.

It will be seemingly very frivolous terms, which have been crafted with the utmost discipline.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:53 pm

In terms of causes I agree it is somewhat problematic. Especially as you point out the truth that sexual vigor represents a heroic ascending culture. I agree with that.

I consider their anime to be among the highest art forms in the world. Visual musica emotional and mental storytelling at its peak. Incredibly powerful, and there are so many studios producing enormous amounts of new series all the time. This isn't like Hollywood, where 90% of what is produced is either recycled or obvious trash. I would say at least 50% of new anime series produced are superb works of art.

I also think Haruki Murakami is one of the best novelists alive today.

"“It’s not just individuals who need to face their shadows. The same act is necessary for societies and nations. Just as all people have shadows, every society and nation, too, has its own shadows,” he said. “If there are bright, shining aspects, there should be a counterbalancing dark side.”

Murakami went on: “You have to patiently learn to live together with your shadows. Sometimes in a deep place you have to confront your own dark side.

“It is a necessary thing to do, because if you don’t, before long your shadow will grow ever stronger and will return, some night, to knock at the door of your house. ‘I’m back,’ it’ll whisper to you,” he said.

Murakami recounted that when writing a novel, which he described as a “journey of discovery,” he at times encounters “a totally unexpected vision of myself, which must be my shadow.” He said his role as an author is to “portray this shadow” in a candid manner, accept it as part of himself, and share this with readers.

He said that people must face their own shadows, confront and even work with them, because not doing so will impede growth and maturity.

In the worst case, he added, people could end up being “destroyed by their own shadows,” as happens to the main character in Andersen’s tale.

When the award committee members selected Murakami last November as the winner for 2016, they said his “capacity to boldly mix classic narrative art, pop culture, Japanese tradition, dreamlike realism and philosophical discussion makes him a fitting heir to the Andersen legacy.” "

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/10/31/national/denmark-awards-speech-murakami-warns-xenophobia-urges-people-face-shadows/#.WbQ3tkFOmEc

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:42 pm

One can witness the supreme cultural vigor of Japan in such shows as Parasyte, The Fruit of Grisaia, Death Note, Mekakushi Dan, God Eater and a whole host of other series. There is a will to Being that runs deep in these shows, something that transcends either power, truth or fantasy alone, and rather aims to bring all three of these together at the most abyssal and morally-consciously incomprehensible levels. I've never seen a non-Japanese show that even comes close to these I mentioned, in terms of this. American shows for example always end up degrading into one sphere primarily, usually and notably (understandably) into the sphere of power (will to power). I don't know about European shows, I haven't seen too many.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:45 pm

The video clip in the OP mentions that Japan, a little island, is the third largest economy on earth. This makes perfect sense to me, as does it make sense that China would ban much of Japan's cultural artistic material. Perhaps Japan will need to 'metaphysically' and existentially conquer China in order for the current globalism to fall to a more sane global system of value-makers, something that engenders as you said. The daemonic between Islam and America and Islam and Europe will then be a welcomed counter-pole to a Japanized China.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Japans genetic decline   Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:52 pm

"I have a million things to talk to you about. All I want in this world is you. I want to see you and talk. I want the two of us to begin everything from the beginning.

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No truth can cure the sorrow we feel from losing a loved one. No truth, no sincerity, no strength, no kindness can cure that sorrow. All we can do is see it through to the end and learn something from it, but what we learn will be no help in facing the next sorrow that comes to us without warning."
Haruki Murakami, Norwegian Wood


My favorite of his books so far is Kafka on the Shore,


"Sometimes fate is like a small sandstorm that keeps changing directions. You change direction but the sandstorm chases you. You turn again, but the storm adjusts. Over and over you play this out, like some ominous dance with death just before dawn. Why? Because this storm isn't something that blew in from far away, something that has nothing to do with you. This storm is you. Something inside of you. So all you can do is give in to it, step right inside the storm, closing your eyes and plugging up your ears so the sand doesn't get in, and walk through it, step by step. There's no sun there, no moon, no direction, no sense of time. Just fine white sand swirling up into the sky like pulverized bones. That's the kind of sandstorm you need to imagine.

And you really will have to make it through that violent, metaphysical, symbolic storm. No matter how metaphysical or symbolic it might be, make no mistake about it: it will cut through flesh like a thousand razor blades. People will bleed there, and you will bleed too. Hot, red blood. You'll catch that blood in your hands, your own blood and the blood of others.

And once the storm is over you won't remember how you made it through, how you managed to survive. You won't even be sure, in fact, whether the storm is really over. But one thing is certain. When you come out of the storm you won't be the same person who walked in. That's what this storm's all about.

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It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story."
Haruki Murakami, Kafka on the Shore

 

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