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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:30 pm

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he Eighty Years' War (Dutch: Tachtigjarige Oorlog; Spanish: Guerra de los Ochenta Años) or Dutch War of Independence (1568–1648)[2] was a revolt of the Seventeen Provinces of what are today the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg, as well as the French region of Hauts-de-France against the political and religious hegemony of Philip II of Spain, the sovereign of the Habsburg Netherlands. After the initial stages, Philip II deployed his armies and regained control over most of the rebelling provinces. Under the leadership of the exiled William the Silent, the northern provinces continued their resistance. They eventually were able to oust the Habsburg armies, and in 1581 they established the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. The war continued in other areas, although the heartland of the republic was no longer threatened; this included the beginnings of the Dutch Colonial Empire, which at the time were conceived as carrying overseas the war with Spain. After a 12-year truce in which the Dutch Republic achieved de facto recognition, hostilities broke out again around 1619, which can be said to coincide with the Thirty Years' War. An end was reached in 1648 with the Peace of Münster (a treaty part of the Peace of Westphalia), when the Dutch Republic was definitively recognised as an independent country. The Republic had already been recognized by Spain and the major European powers at the occasion of the Twelve Years' Truce of 1609. The Peace of Münster was also the start of the Dutch Golden Age.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:32 pm

The Praise of Folly

Early freedom of speech.

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Italy is responsible for the Renaissance, the Netherlands for the Enlightenment.
Greece, of course, for the beginning.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:39 pm

As for US freedom of speech, a whole host of over a hundred witnesses of 9/11have been assassinated to prevent them speaking freely. The Bill of Rights may say that there is freedom of speech but where the State is being compromised people are silenced - either by a simply bullet or train crash or by anonymous courts that put them in prison camps - I don't think the US has been a shining example of freedom of speech either the past years. Like our Constitution, the Bill of right guarantees the right to free speech, but who guarantees the the Bill of Right stands? Trump seems to be the first president in history to care about it at all. Which is why I love Trump, and why Trump has regained my love for America. Under Obolko America was just another Belgium.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:51 pm



More of my work for tv.

Pure freedom.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:07 pm

To be honest I was always assuming the reputation of my country is known, that it is known that all modern freedoms originate with our struggles against the various tyrannies around us. That assumption is the sole reason that I ever spoke ill of my nation. My ill-speaking comes to the background of a self-evident respect for Willem van Oranje and his knights, and all those that preceded and followed him.

My land is the land of the Ingvaeones, to which the Ingwaz rune is dedicated.



This is Viking land, through and through.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:15 pm

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De Engelse Pilgrim Fathers, vervolgd vanwege hun geloof, streken in 1609 neer in Leiden. Hier kwamen ze in contact met een andere cultuur en vernieuwende ideeën. Na een elfjarig verblijf gingen de Pilgrims weer op weg. Ze voeren naar Amerika en stichtten de eerste vaste kolonie. Hun Nederlandse periode is nog steeds van invloed op de Amerikaanse samenleving. Bijvoorbeeld met de feestdag Thanksgiving.

https://www.nemokennislink.nl/publicaties/thanksgiving-een-nederlandse-erfenis/

"The English Pilgrim Fathers, persecuted for their faith, settled in Leiden [A Duch city, where my father has lived as a boy] in 1609. Here the came into contact with another culture and innovative ideas. After a stay of eleven years the Pilgrims set sail again. They set course to America and founded the first fixed settlement. Their Dutch period is still of influence on the American society. For example with the holiday Thanksgiving."

England doesn't even have a claim to the US. Its the Netherlands that shaped the ideas of liberty carried by the Pilgrim Fathers against the grim background of the sad island.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:32 pm

So we have Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France, UK, Britain, and Scotland... this list is starting to get decently large. And the article on Geert and what I read of it elsewhere, including what happened to Le Pen, seems to be saying the police showed up at his house, and he was charged in court. I am not going to dismiss such things merely because he was ultimately acquitted or did not have to pay a fine. Once you allow this sort of thing it can easily spiral out of control.

Can you provide an English translation of the text you posted, Fixed?

I am not meaning to paint all of Europe, obviously. I am sure there are some great places in Europe that are resisting thoughtcrime. And I know many European people support freedom, but it seems to me that perhaps more Europeans support thoughtcrimes legislation and totalitarian leftist governments than support the idea of minimal government and maximal individual freedom.

That is what it comes down to, for me. There are two options here to choose from, because even if a state is somewhere in the middle between the extremes it will always be trending toward one side or the other:

1) maximum government and minimal individual freedom
2) minimal government and maximal individual freedom

Originally the US chose the latter, and is now slowing changing over to the former. To me it seems most of Europe, and especially with the EU, has already given into the former.

I am only concerned with the latter, and I say fuck all to the former option.

Again, I do not mean to offend, and yeah I should not have said "fuck Europe" since you are right, Europe is not homogeneous like that.

Instead, I will say: Fuck Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France, UK, Britain, and Scotland. And any other countries that engage in Orwellian Big Brother tactics of placing the people subservient to the state.

The state derives its power and justification from the people, and from the consent of the people. This is basic. This is why the US central government is limited by the Constitution, and all other powers not explicitly granted to it are reserved to the individual states or the individual people. It's why we have gun rights, and why we have freedom of speech which trumps any supposed hate speech laws. It's why I can say I do not want more Muslim immigrants and not get arrested for saying that, unlike in certain European nations.

But granted, the EU is certainly a major part of the problem. And to the degree that the EU has these hate speech laws and enforces them, normalizes them, that is going to be a huge problem for even decent European nations to deal with.

"The First Amendment is What We Need in Europe", by Wilders,

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3042/geert-wilders-first-amendment

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm

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As for US freedom of speech, a whole host of over a hundred witnesses of 9/11have been assassinated to prevent them speaking freely. The Bill of Rights may say that there is freedom of speech but where the State is being compromised people are silenced - either by a simply bullet or train crash or by anonymous courts that put them in prison camps - I don't think the US has been a shining example of freedom of speech either the past years. Like our Constitution, the Bill of right guarantees the right to free speech, but who guarantees the the Bill of Right stands? Trump seems to be the first president in history to care about it at all. Which is why I love Trump, and why Trump has regained my love for America. Under Obolko America was just another Belgium.

Oh yeah, the US is overrun with totalitarian globalist thugs and crime bosses who indeed assassinate people who get too close to the truth. We all know this. But I was never talking about any of that, I was talking about the philosophy behind the nation and which still governs it despite all this bullshit

We voted in Trump to stop this kind of insanity from growing, we want the swamp drained. Whether or not he will do it is another question, but certainly positive steps are being made.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:42 pm

I’m just an ignorant American, ignorant of much of European matters as of the differences between various European nations. But I do know that the EU is a fucking joke and needs to disappear. And I do know what I see and read about creeping totalitarianism, in Europe and in the US. It will keep trying to take hold in both places, we need to resists and place self-valuing logic in the position of power so as to defeat this absurd monster.

But it is also as I said in my Tower post, all of this is also being used by truth for other purposes, and every vile truth and injustice forced en mass upon people becomes one more incremental pressure to step up one more small step in one’s consciousness, as upon the continuum of being. Sadly most humans never learn any truth except by pain of the error of ignoring it.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:48 pm

Dude, I didn't know Americans weren't educated about the philosophical roots that come out of the Netherlands. That's foolish, dangerous.

In turn, the America Revolution inspired the Netherlands after it had been oppressed again by France.

The US and the Netherlands are literally family.
We were called The United Republic of Nether-lands.

Italy and Greece are the only other countries that matter.

Of course, Fuck the EU. The EU is, and this is fact, The Third Reich. It is German in nature and was helped about by the fascist postWWII American regimes, which were just slaves of the Germans as I now see it.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:48 pm

I mean if we can already write off half a dozen major European countries from being supportive of the basic philosophical concept of individual freedoms and the ontological primacy of the individual, then I can say for sure the EU is doomed.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:50 pm

I was educated literally zero on anything to do with The Netherlands. From preschool trough university nothing is said about it. That seems like a great tragedy.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:54 pm

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I was educated literally zero on anything to do with The Netherlands. From preschool trough university nothing is said about it. That seems like a great tragedy.

Holy crap. Thats seriously fucked up.
On the other hand I am beginning to realize there is a great work for me to be done.

The Netherlands actually invented this whole Political Freedom concept.
As they invented Venture Capitalism and founded New York.

Too weird that this is censored. Fucking English claim everything, I bet.
If the US would become aware that it is spiritually rather Dutch than English in origin, maybe it can begin to make more sense to itself and kick out the globalists.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:57 pm

Wallstreet is a Dutch street in a Dutch town originally called New Amsterdam, running the Dutch-invented business of stock trading.

Damn, but if the Brits seriously try to claim this, Ill put in some counterweight. Perfidious cunts.

I hate the word "Dutch", but the way, another cunty Brit-invention. No one knows why we are called that. But there it is, this is how we are known.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:58 pm

To the extent America doesn’t claim it as its own invention, minor credit is given only to France and England.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:58 pm

New York used to be called New Amsterdam I believe.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:00 pm

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To the extent America doesn’t claim it as its own invention, minor credit is given only to France and England.

What. The. Fuck.

That is sickening.

Yes, New York was New Amsterdam.
Further, Harlem is named after a Dutch town, so is Brooklyn.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:02 pm

Dude no one is taught this here.

Madness.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:38 pm

Ive of course been unfair the English, as they need to be seen in a different context, namely as people who always worked to gather with the Netherlands, who taught them and everyone in the north in the art of shipbuilding and other magics. I am also just waking up to this, the fact that this power is simply required to keep Europe afloat.  The English without their parents in crime are, as it seems, a bit adrift. We aren't used to assert ourselves nationally though.

The captain that first laid eyes on the island is of course Hudson, an Englishman working for the Dutch. He came back empty handed but the shape of the island peaked the interest of the company, who saw the potential for a harbour. This VOC company is important. They're the cause to the stock market. Verenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie, United East-Indies Company, who had to divide its risks and assets across a the basis of free men only determined by their capacity and fortune. This mentality is most definitively Ingvaeonic, above-the Rhine boatbuilder-conquerors.

The beauty is the Wilders is half Indonesian. This speaks to the truth of self-valuing in many nice ways. It is always been deemed reprehensible, the colonizations, but now that we have been colonized ourselves, it is beginning to feel like an issue of health to recognize the incredible humanity required to discover the world and own it.

Holland and the other Nether-provinces never had the impulse to "civilize" another people to their ways. So their possession of the land was just economical and formal, and less cultural. I am sure Indonesia has had more effect on us than we on it. After us came the Japanese, and then, well.

The bottom line is that a continent that once owned the whole world can not now be "United" within its own borders. Bullshit. We need to expand. This time we'll do it by humanitarian standards, just build cities, economies and prosperity whee currently it is not. Resources are almost always abundant where order reigns.

Because of the UN and its laws we can never do good in a country anymore, only sneaky subversion. We should be bold and proud and just assert standards, and just get out and strike deals with crazy African regimes to build cities with giant jungle-malls and desert-sauna cities, all sorts of hyper consumerist applications of fertile circumstances. I don't get why this hasn't happened.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:51 pm

Maybe because the right type of glass hadn't been invented.
Anyway it seems like capitalism hasn't even begun yet, when I think of what can be done with a 17th century mentality and current technology.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:28 pm

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We voted in Trump to stop this kind of insanity from growing, we want the swamp drained. Whether or not he will do it is another question, but certainly positive steps are being made.
I honestly think Trump made it worse, not by his action, but the reaction to him. Brexit may have played a role as well. Before these things, nobody cared who said what, but now they're freaking out over seemingly nothing.

Europe has too many women leaders which I think is causing this fear of speech. If a person cannot kill a spider, or even better: leave the spider alone, they have no business participating in a leadership role. People who fear spiders probably value security over liberty.
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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:34 pm

Yes, Europe has turned from a continent of proud nations into a household.
Which is managed.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:36 pm

Nothing wrong with a household but only until we all live like god in Paris is that ever Europe.

 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:38 pm

Speaking of Paris...

Sarko is in jail. For taking funding from Ghadaffi setting up the Lybia war to not have to pay is debt. That is bad new for Clinton as well, not to speak of NATO who tried out the operation. Macron is no joke, he is taking the reigns from Merkel. He has also said that French may become the worlds leading language, so this is not something I can look down on. I said earlier that the EU can only survive if it is seated in Paris and Rome. Now I add Amsterdam to this list. I assume England will manage to remain intact and come to its senses without the illusion of controlling all of us. If it can it will be able to be the old empire through its language and commonwealth, which holds the deep geological future, the Hudson Bay. As for Europe none of us can be controlled by another. But we can definitely facilitate each others self-control.

Germans are good at life. It will be good in Germany if it isn't strained. German humour is simply observing life and remarking it. They're good at what they undertake. I think they need to maybe look a few thousand miles to the southeast, to where Styrkjar noted they tried to reach before. If anyone could keep a sane mind and do some structuring in a crisis it is our neighbours to the East.


 

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PostSubject: Re: American truth-saying and ballsy freedom   Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:45 pm

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Dude, I didn't know Americans weren't educated about the philosophical roots that come out of the Netherlands. That's foolish, dangerous..
Most Americans couldn't find Netherlands on a labeled map. What most know about Netherlands comes from Cheech and Chong (if they are old enough). Most Americans know French wine, Italian food (spaghetti, pizza), German cars, Hungarian sausages, and Polish jokes. Other than that, they call it Europe. You have no idea how incredibly stupid most people are. Lookup "mark dice stupid people" on youtube.
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