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PostSubject: The Poetry Thread   Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:05 pm

Post your poetry here.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:49 pm

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Post your poetry here, its not necessary but please try to at least read the poem before you or one above and comment on it before you post.
Hmmm...unless I am mis-reading your meaning, Abstract...

If I were to post a poem of mine here, I might be a bit uncomfortable knowing that someone found it 'necessary' or compulsory to at least 'try' to make a comment or respond to it...unless I am NOT understanding your meaning. I would simply post it and hope that they might want to respond - then detach from it. But i would actually prefer that they possessed and felt the total freedom NOT to...if that's what they chose.

One might be surprised how freeing allowing others to be free is...once we've detached from a thing. It might actually allow for total irresistable contentment. And of course, having just said that, perhaps I ought not to have even written the above. Ah, it can be such a difficult thing to understand and to know about freedom - where our own begins and ends and another's in relation to that.

So many more unanswered questions...I think it was Rumi who said that we need to learn to 'live' our questions more than to find their answers...and at some point, the answers will be found within the living of the questions. That's paraphrased of course. Reminds me of how we ought better to learn how to live our philosophy rather than simply (key word-simply) philosophizing...we learn much more through our experiences...but then again, it IS also philosophy that allows for the experience of the learning and the wisdom gained.

Embarassed Sorry - this thread has NOT been disrailed. Just took another rail...


 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:52 pm

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Abstract wrote:
Post your poetry here, its not necessary but please try to at least read the poem before you or one above and comment on it before you post.
Hmmm...unless I am mis-reading your meaning, Abstract...

If I were to post a poem of mine here, I might be a bit uncomfortable knowing that someone found it 'necessary' or compulsory to at least 'try' to make a comment or respond to it...unless I am NOT understanding your meaning. I would simply post it and hope that they might want to respond - then detach from it. But i would actually prefer that they possessed and felt the total freedom NOT to...if that's what they chose.

One might be surprised how freeing allowing others to be free is...once we've detached from a thing. It might actually allow for total irresistable contentment. And of course, having just said that, perhaps I ought not to have even written the above. Ah, it can be such a difficult thing to understand and to know about freedom - where our own begins and ends and another's in relation to that.

So many more unanswered questions...I think it was Rumi who said that we need to learn to 'live' our questions more than to find their answers...and at some point, the answers will be found within the living of the questions. That's paraphrased of course. Reminds me of how we ought better to learn how to live our philosophy rather than simply (key word-simply) philosophizing...we learn much more through our experiences...but then again, it IS also philosophy that allows for the experience of the learning and the wisdom gained.

Embarassed Sorry - this thread has NOT been disrailed. Just took another rail...

I edited it I had qualms about saying that anyways...

 

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"Nature herself has imprinted on the minds of all the idea of God." -Cicero
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without necessarily believing it." -Aristotle
"I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law." -Aristotle
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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:11 pm

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VaerosTanarg wrote:
Abstract wrote:
Post your poetry here, its not necessary but please try to at least read the poem before you or one above and comment on it before you post.
Hmmm...unless I am mis-reading your meaning, Abstract...

If I were to post a poem of mine here, I might be a bit uncomfortable knowing that someone found it 'necessary' or compulsory to at least 'try' to make a comment or respond to it...unless I am NOT understanding your meaning. I would simply post it and hope that they might want to respond - then detach from it. But i would actually prefer that they possessed and felt the total freedom NOT to...if that's what they chose.

One might be surprised how freeing allowing others to be free is...once we've detached from a thing. It might actually allow for total irresistable contentment. And of course, having just said that, perhaps I ought not to have even written the above. Ah, it can be such a difficult thing to understand and to know about freedom - where our own begins and ends and another's in relation to that.

So many more unanswered questions...I think it was Rumi who said that we need to learn to 'live' our questions more than to find their answers...and at some point, the answers will be found within the living of the questions. That's paraphrased of course. Reminds me of how we ought better to learn how to live our philosophy rather than simply (key word-simply) philosophizing...we learn much more through our experiences...but then again, it IS also philosophy that allows for the experience of the learning and the wisdom gained.

Embarassed Sorry - this thread has NOT been disrailed. Just took another rail...

I edited it I had qualms about saying that anyways...
Darn - and now I sit here questioning my own right to write what I did. How do we express our views without infringing on the rights of others - or can we even ever? It is not such an easy task. No I hope that you did not edit yourself because of what I said...even though you said you had qualms about saying it...STILL... How do we speak our minds without risking hurting another? I'm not saying you were hurt by this. It's just a question...

"We risk the hurting and the pain...
What? Do we have that much to gain...
Are our selves in such demand
that another's self we would remand
to court the risk of fetters?
Where does freedom enter in?

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:51 pm

I'll throw one o0ut there:

A green glaze, reflecting the sun it moves to.
Its pixel cells soaking in energy
Worth more of a notice?
Can’t.
Its growing is a butterfly.
Affecting all with its winded effections
Its pollen smelling wherever
I am
More notice is not possible.
Difference is
Of lighting, of angle
The similar
Patterns
Never the same
Yet perfectly common
Its vulgarity is a beautiful feeling

 

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PostSubject: Birth   Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:28 pm

Birth

My eyes lose the battle with darkness
And so I am veiled
My breath loses me
And my I becomes else
A breadth of wind across space
Walking upon stepping stones; man, beast, beings and All
Recited by their presence
And so held in existence
And so many I’s
Until they converge again
And me again
I am
I am being born

 

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"Nature herself has imprinted on the minds of all the idea of God." -Cicero
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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:42 pm

Very nice Abstract.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Sat May 12, 2012 9:36 pm

I have little energy for something lyrical. I will try to let my mind speak without interfering.

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When Johnson came to the stone, he replied, before the stone had even asked him the question of life and death: "death!". So Johnson became, in his later days, life.

When Jackson came to the stone, he awaited patiently until the stone asked. But the stone never asked and Jackson died, waiting.

When Eduard came to the stone and asked the stone a question, the stone answered by silence. Eduard then sat down and mourned.

When Tybalt came to the stone, the stone revealed itself to the soul of God and came crashing down like hail on the heads of the escaping slaves.

When Henriette came to the stone, she touched it and wondered: where have I seen this stone before?

God came to the stone and eliminated the doubt of which it was made.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Sat May 12, 2012 10:29 pm

From whence did I come into this doggedy room...?
With sharp corners in the edges where my eyes want to fall,
And elsewhere, everywhere, a red warm fog?

How comes it that these daggers hang from my backpack?
Dripping colors that seem to have no name,
Inscribed on each handlebar, a sigul?

O if I were to tell you boy,
Where these hanging heads have come from,
Perhaps you would not want to know.
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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:30 am

No More Poems

Poems?
No more poems.
Ideas?
No more ideas.
Satisfaction?
No more satisfaction.
Oh, for fuck's sake,
I would do it again.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:36 pm

Curse inside an urn
on my back, tied to my path
through the desert sands, grains, worlds
crushing them together in my choiceless path
until I pause and bow down
observe the small things,
be amidst them, and encounter an insect
a god among worlds, a perfection of rage
free as I am, far freeer in fact
on these desert sands of my path;
I am sure the bug has no path.
He has appetite but no mind
he is fixed but not in prisoned
he does not suspect his happiness,
but I can see the worlds he is about to conquer.

So god is among men, too large to see, too large to influence anything with precision, but seeing all sorts of happiness that the man for himself does not see, but will remember when he is old. Men grow toward god in their age because god-beard is no more and less than a kind reflection.

Thus the lord commands us; arbitrarily, and only when we happen to be in his path;
if there is a lord at all he is a wanderer, seeking the bliss of the world.

Or:
god is a position
The human hierarchy is a job application
the closer to the top, the heavier the job appears;
until the one who is thrust onto the throne must be
a saint, or god himself...

God is the shadow of the king.

Or his past.

Or both, maybe -
god is that curse in the urn that is used to pouring forth blessings;

thousand ways to kill god.

1: have him arrested for substance abuse and sent to witness the spirit of his creation in incarceration until it breaks him.
2: throw him to the dogs, it'll turn out there's no flesh on the bones and no bones on the flesh.
3: ask him: why did you create me?
etc etc

fill in the blanks
there's a barrel of powder in the corner
of Atreus' vault

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Poetry Thread   Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:12 pm

The fame of famous poems rob them of their magic. Or maybe its the pedagogical distortion, so fitting to this poem.

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

 

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