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PostSubject: The value of provocation   Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:05 am

What is the value of provocation, in the realm of theory, political discussion or engagement, rational argument, philosophy writing and publication, whatever?


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PostSubject: Re: The value of provocation   Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:47 am

Capable wrote:
What is the value of provocation, in the realm of theory, political discussion or engagement, rational argument, philosophy writing and publication, whatever?

I wonder if the value would be the same, depending on the motive[s] of the provocateur?
Does the end ever justify the means? At first glance, I am never quite sure of that and my response is usually a 'no'. Why?
Because I intuit that at times our 'justifications' are simply our perceptions, or our own desires to view things in a particular way and act on them, which may serve our own purposes but not necessarily that of the other person.
So ultimately, I feel that the value would depend, would have to depend 'ethically speaking', on the perception of the individual or entity being provoked; for example, as in hindsight, one coming to realize that the provocation produced/bore good fruit and growth to the person, despite what the intentions of the provocateur might have been. In other words, a curse becoming a blessing...or as I like to put it...making lemonade out of lemons.

So, some value in provocation might be in finding truth; creating reality out of illusion; giving the momentum and the courage to an otherwise fearful person, to stand up for him/her -self, thus learning self-value and worth; transformation out of chaos; opening up a mind which has been a steel trap to explore and discover new realms of thought; shedding light in a dark place; fighting the establishment and winning for the common good of all....

which all may come down to personal human evolution and enlightenment and perhaps the same for society...but not necessarily because of but in spite of the provocation or at least the motives for it.
But as with anything, provocation is a double-edged sword. It may be as fruitlessly destructive as it might be creatively fruitful.

Edited on June 3, 2012


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