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PostSubject: Chemistry through a lens of perspectivism   Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:45 pm


I now understand the politics you have proposed, when you used the names of Moses, Jesus, etc, as follows: When there is an orderless group of self-valuings of a similar type running around in will-to-power like behavior, there may come one self-valuing who has oversight and a vision of a greater self-valuing (State, "body of God") that he, as a visionary, represents. He will then devise laws for the others, so that they will function as designated parts in the new whole. The laws must rely on/sustain "the unchangeable cause of things" but they need not be understood in their precise working by those that obey them. The supreme aim is to create a greater whole in which the parts can live in peace and stability.

I can see that this can work in the human world, where ideas can be conceived before they are implemented. But not in the molecular world. In the molecular world I see particles organizing by stumbling, trial and error like, on the sort of functioning that allows them relatively low challenges from surrounding molecules, and relatively great fruits. In other words, relatively high received value for exerted function. Something quite close to the way a perfectly meritocratic capitalist system would function.

Please identify
- the error in my representation of your idea, or, if this error is absent or marginal,
- the similarity of a law-giving human (e.g. "Christ") to the impetus to order in any non-human, e.g. molecular world-scale.[/quote]


Now THAT question really gets down to the nitty-gritty of this thread topic, natural versus the expense of artificial rules.

Yes, you read my intent properly (by my reading of your representation).

When imposing rules upon the world, there are two fundamental concerns that must be addressed;
1) working with the available materials
2) not deviating from their "prior natural" state by very much

By "prior natural", I am referring to what has become seemingly natural even though that state might have been artificially imposed at a prior time. In other words, "always start slowly from where you are and with what you have".

The King recognized Jesus as a true King because the King recognized Jesus' humbleness to those concerns in his proposal.

The more unnatural any design is compared to the prior natural state of the constituents, the more expensive it is to cause the design to be stable. That rule holds for literally the entire universe; economics, social ethics, game rules,.. and even natural chemical occurrences (hence a "law of God"). One cannot hide from that law and will suffer the consequences if disobedient to it.

It is easy to see that if for example, one were to imposed a law in England that everyone must write with their left hand from the right of the page to the left, the expense of trying to enforce that law would be overwhelming and crippling to the governance. But if that law was imposed in China, it would take almost nothing to enforce it even though it is the exact same law - work with the current state of affairs making small changes (using only left hand) in the direction of the design. The mainstream media in the USA is an example wherein hundreds of billions of dollars are spent ensuring the psychological imagery necessary to convert the people into an artificially imposed design for society. The feminizing of the male and masculinizing of the female is a battle between millions of years of natural evolution and Man's new monarchical design. The expense then extends to filtering the design dissentants, arming the design proponents, creating distractions, money making schemes, and perceived need for the structure through terrorism and wars. Fighting nature is an extremely expensive endeavor.

When it comes to ethical mandates, ideals, and the practicality of a social design, that rule must be obeyed. And because everyone is a governor to some extend within his own realm, the social design must allow for every individual to accommodate that rule within their own lives (assuming stability was the goal). A society can be intentionally destroyed (and often is) by tricking it into disobeying that rule, economic collapse is a recent example.

But where do you see the same kind of rule being carried out in nature? Natural chemical reactions that lead to seemingly artificial structures; crystals and life forms are merely two such occurrences.

A crystal is a geometric design that is seemingly unnatural due to its perfect symmetry. Diamonds, quartz, mica, and many other crystal shapes seem very unnatural, yet are formed by what is in effect, a natural "law-giver".

Because of the universe law of having to work with what is available, one only finds such structures where the materials with which to form them were present before they were formed. Carbon deposits are required before diamonds can be shaped. The law-giver in the case of nature, is the environment. To form a diamond, the environment must suffer the expense of creating very high heat and very high pressure. If the law-giver cannot afford that cost, the diamonds simply do not form even though the ingredients were present.

Another example of natural law-giving into a stable structure that points more directly at a specific law maker is the crystal formation derived from sodium acetate.

Given a deposit of sodium acetate, perhaps in mere loose powder form, the application of heat will bring it into a liquid state wherein it pools. In the state, if gradually cooled, it remains a liquid. But then a "law-giver" happens along, a small "catalyst" that takes advantage of the tension that is already present in the constituent populous. Introduce merely a small spec of any metal into that pool of liquid and quite suddenly the entire pool crystallizes into a hard stable rock. The law-giver becomes protected and encapsulated by a hard substance, different than itself that protects it from the outside environment that might otherwise oxidize it.

In effect, a stable molecular "society" has been formed naturally. The rules of the game on an even closer scale of the atoms involves valence bonding and also obeys that exact same law of forming any specific design. But if you want to get down to the smallest scale, the subatomic particle also obeys that law. Even a single particle can only form by the volatile contentions of what was available in such a way as to form a type of trap wherein the contention can no longer overcome the overall structure, entropy is defeated, order rises from chaos - by the natural law-giver.[/quote]

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