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Thinking Outloud
Well, I have learned a couple things tonight, but one of them is that Iron Maiden is FUCKING AWESOME, and pairs well with web development.
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12-01-2012, 10:55 AM  Post: #2
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RE: Thinking Outloud
(11-30-2012 08:41 PM)Gobbo Wrote:  
Well, I have learned a couple things tonight, but one of them is that Iron Maiden is FUCKING AWESOME, and pairs well with web development.

I am very glad you feel this way. May I recommend a few songs?
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RE: Thinking Outloud
Sure. Go for it.
Hmm. Can everyone else not quote or link or use any of the buttons?
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RE: Thinking Outloud
The Talisman
Face In The Sand
Dance of Death
Journeyman
Starblind
When the Wild Wind Blows
Fear of the Dark
Rime of the Ancient Mariner (My personal favourite)
Translyvania (Instrumental)
Wasted Years
The Flight of Icarus
Hallowed Be Thy Name (they usually use this as an exit song live)
The Evil that Men Do
The Clairvoyant
The Trooper
These Colours Don't Run
Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
The Pilgrim
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
For the Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Can I Play With Madness
Ghost of the Navigator
Brave New World
The Wicker Man
Blood Brothers
The Mercenary
Dream of Mirrors
Alexander the Great
(12-01-2012 10:55 AM)Gobbo Wrote:  
Hmm. Can everyone else not quote or link or use any of the buttons?

Yes, you click the quote button (it goes red) then you click reply and the post will appear in the message editing window in quote brackets.
Another great feature, if you were the last poster the forum seems to add your new post as an extension to your last post (may be only within a certain timeframe), shown after a parting line. I'm quite sure it notifies the forum as if it's a new post too.
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12-01-2012, 11:49 AM  Post: #5
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RE: Thinking Outloud
(12-01-2012 11:08 AM)W.C. Wrote:  
The Talisman
Face In The Sand
Dance of Death
Journeyman
Starblind
When the Wild Wind Blows
Fear of the Dark
Rime of the Ancient Mariner (My personal favourite)
Translyvania (Instrumental)
Wasted Years
The Flight of Icarus
Hallowed Be Thy Name (they usually use this as an exit song live)
The Evil that Men Do
The Clairvoyant
The Trooper
These Colours Don't Run
Brighter Than A Thousand Suns
The Pilgrim
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
For the Greater Good of God
The Legacy
Can I Play With Madness
Ghost of the Navigator
Brave New World
The Wicker Man
Blood Brothers
The Mercenary
Dream of Mirrors
Alexander the Great
(12-01-2012 10:55 AM)Gobbo Wrote:  
Hmm. Can everyone else not quote or link or use any of the buttons?

Yes, you click the quote button (it goes red) then you click reply and the post will appear in the message editing window in quote brackets.
Another great feature, if you were the last poster the forum seems to add your new post as an extension to your last post (may be only within a certain timeframe), shown after a parting line. I'm quite sure it notifies the forum as if it's a new post too.



Yeah but once you get into the post...

[undefined=undefined]test[/undefined]

Yeah see all the buttons are undefined. It's like I need to set up the shortcodes somewhat. Hmm. I gotta look into that.
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12-01-2012, 11:50 AM  Post: #6
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RE: Thinking Outloud
That is a sweet Iron Maiden list, btw. I'll have to check it out. I've been listening to entire albums and Brave New World was fucking mindblowing. I wrote the 'about us' on the website when I was listening to it.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
(12-01-2012 11:49 AM)Q Wrote:  
Yeah but once you get into the post...

[undefined=undefined]test[/undefined]

Yeah see all the buttons are undefined. It's like I need to set up the shortcodes somewhat. Hmm. I gotta look into that.

I get [quote='Q' pid='19' dateline='1354326546'] with the text here, followed by appropriate quote close [ / quote] code.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
Everyone welcome my friend Noetic, he's going to probably head up the engineering/automotive type area, cause he's an engineer automotive type.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
all my buttons are undefined.

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RE: Thinking Outloud
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wuahahah I figured it out. The issue was anyoe using firefox was seeing the [undefined]

This calls for a beer.
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Anyone else experience any other irregularities?
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12-01-2012, 08:20 PM  Post: #13
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Hmm. What do you all think of this grey skin?
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How bout stopping eating when I'm full up?
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How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I'm full up?
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(12-01-2012 08:20 PM)Q Wrote:  
Hmm. What do you all think of this grey skin?

I think it looks clean enough but lacks contrast. The grey could be a little darker. Can we bugger about with the skin or is it just a fixed colour template?
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We could, theoretically, but I don't see myself going in and chaninging the color.

I'll prob just set up a bunch of skins so everyone can find their own comfort zone.
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OK, forget messing with the skin itself, I'll just find one I like when there's more available.
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12-02-2012, 09:17 AM (This post was last modified: 12-02-2012 09:18 AM by Q.)  Post: #19
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Yeah I (think) I switched the default back to the blue. I kind of like the blue anyways. I guess cause from ILP.

Right now there are 3 different themes. One of these days I'll find a really good one but for now as long as the functionality is there I'm happy enough. That buttons thing with firefox had me worried for a second. Lol.

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Blue's good, I can certainly live with blue. I am deeply confused by having three different control panels, each offering different options. If I accidentally on purpose ban anyone then please, take it in good faith.

So how do, as a normal user, change the skin that shows when I visit the forum?


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(12-03-2012 07:08 AM)BigTom Wrote:  
Blue's good, I can certainly live with blue. I am deeply confused by having three different control panels, each offering different options. If I accidentally on purpose ban anyone then please, take it in good faith.

No worries -- You've reported one of my posts. Not sure which one, but it doesn't really matter. We're all testing.

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So how do, as a normal user, change the skin that shows when I visit the forum?

User CP -> [Edit] Options -> Under the 'Other Options' heading, you have three choices of board style. 'Clean' is pretty good too.
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12-03-2012, 10:22 PM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2012 10:22 PM by Q.)  Post: #22
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RE: Thinking Outloud
Anyone else remembee this song?

I think she sounds like a female 'Snow' haha





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(12-03-2012 08:57 AM)W.C. Wrote:  
(12-03-2012 07:08 AM)BigTom Wrote:  
Blue's good, I can certainly live with blue. I am deeply confused by having three different control panels, each offering different options. If I accidentally on purpose ban anyone then please, take it in good faith.

No worries -- You've reported one of my posts. Not sure which one, but it doesn't really matter. We're all testing.

I was just messing about with that, seeing if it worked. It does work. Hopefully we'll have little need for moderation.

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So how do, as a normal user, change the skin that shows when I visit the forum?

User CP -> [Edit] Options -> Under the 'Other Options' heading, you have three choices of board style. 'Clean' is pretty good too.

Thanks man, found it and changed it. I like Clean, though it does look like every wordpress site ever invented. You can't please all of the people all of the time, I suppose.
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12-04-2012, 02:39 AM (This post was last modified: 12-04-2012 02:40 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #24
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I'll add some more skins. It's just that doing it is kind of... not the most fun thing because it involves the FTP client, which I hate using.

So one day I'll just do a bunch in a batch. That is, one of the days before official launch (21st)

I also found a forum that had 'tweet this post' type options. That would be cool.
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Just added tweet this thread buttons wuaha
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(12-05-2012 07:25 AM)Q Wrote:  
Just added tweet this thread buttons wuaha

I'm just trying out this quote thing. Playing around, you know.
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Play on, playa.

No diggity. No doubt.
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Alright so, I'm just going to blather for a moment.

I am not a CT. I am ignorant about most of the topics you all will be discussing here. I mean 100% ignorant. A lot of it will probably be things I haven't even heard about.

I know that some of you will think poorly of me for this, but I beg you to have patience with me. The reason I am here now is because I'm trying to learn. I'll probably ask you really dumb questions. I'll probably argue with the bit of myself that still wants to hold on to a world that makes sense. I'll frustrate you to no end, and you'll be inclined to call me harsh names and assume that I'm an idiot. I won't blame you, but please believe that I'm NOT an idiot. If anything, I'm more like a child who just hasn't learned yet. I'm counting on you to be my teachers, because I've witnessed your intelligence, because I don't think any of you are bad guys. Obviously I'm going to have to put in the effort to educate myself as well, but when I come to you with questions, when I'm not understanding what you're saying, when I'm asking you to give me resources to look into, can you, will you, help me without intentionally trying to make me feel like an idiot?

Pretty please?
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12-06-2012, 05:45 AM  Post: #29
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This isn't a conspiracy site. As you'll notice, there is no conspiracy forum. Focusing on conspiracies is a waste of time, in mine and Fixed Crosses's opinion. We want to focus more on self development.

I've recently changed my mind about providing links.

If you need some more info, just ask. We'll try to provide it.
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Thanks, Gobbo.

While this may not be a conspiracy site, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of things talked about here will be what your average person would label a CT.

I just wanted to let you all know not to expect too much of me LoL

Also, on a completely unrelated note, my best friend is always getting me addicted to these stupid fucking games that I can play on my phone. She's such a bitch.
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(12-06-2012 05:26 AM)Blurry Wrote:  
Alright so, I'm just going to blather for a moment.

I am not a CT. I am ignorant about most of the topics you all will be discussing here. I mean 100% ignorant. A lot of it will probably be things I haven't even heard about.

I know that some of you will think poorly of me for this, but I beg you to have patience with me. The reason I am here now is because I'm trying to learn. I'll probably ask you really dumb questions. I'll probably argue with the bit of myself that still wants to hold on to a world that makes sense. I'll frustrate you to no end, and you'll be inclined to call me harsh names and assume that I'm an idiot. I won't blame you, but please believe that I'm NOT an idiot. If anything, I'm more like a child who just hasn't learned yet. I'm counting on you to be my teachers, because I've witnessed your intelligence, because I don't think any of you are bad guys. Obviously I'm going to have to put in the effort to educate myself as well, but when I come to you with questions, when I'm not understanding what you're saying, when I'm asking you to give me resources to look into, can you, will you, help me without intentionally trying to make me feel like an idiot?

Pretty please?

I never thought you were an idiot. I still don't.

There wasn't half as much conspiracy stuff on ILO as people liked to make out, on the whole it was just a bunch of people sharing their learning process. I think this site has the potential to be more than that but even if it is just that then it'll be worth doing and worth being part of.

Like Gobbo says, if you have any questions then just ask.
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12-06-2012, 08:43 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2012 08:43 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #32
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I think it's safe to assume that a lot of things talked about here will be what your average person would label a CT.

I just wanted to let you all know not to expect too much of me LoL


THat's fine. There's no expectations.

It's not that people are afraid of conspiracies - they're cool and interesting - it's that people are afraid of other people labeling them a conspiracy theorists. The general populace has been conditioned to react emotionally to the word 'conspiracy,' so we'll just circumvent that by not focusing on it.

Easy.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
I come at this place knowing what I know, and seeking to learn more in the company of others who know what they know. Others who I tend to respect and resonate with on some level(s).

That said, it's almost heartbreaking when I try to post something and I accidentally close the window I had open at work or it logs out before I post. It's happened four times now (between here and that Conspiracy Forum thread at ILP). I've really got to start writing all this on word just to be sure I won't lose it.

Also, 'gotta speculate to accumulate...' Loved it.
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I've noticed that. It bothers me.

I think I brought this up on ILP last week orsomething, about how people lump conspiracy theories together in order to dismiss all of them.

I heard it on the radio. I can't even remember what the caller was talking about, but I remember thinking that it sounded like he was pretty well informed, he seemed confident in what he was talking about and he was citing sources as he was giving information. When he was finished, the female in the studio (who is a complete airhead) was confused, and the male dj's proceeded to dismiss everything the guy had just said by saying, "He's a conspiracy theorist, it means he believes stuff like..." and then listed some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories possible.

Anyway. It bothered me. I almost called in just to call them on it.
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12-06-2012, 09:42 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2012 09:43 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #35
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Those tactics are becoming less and less useful as time goes on.

The group of people asking the important questions is growing.
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That said, it's almost heartbreaking when I try to post something and I accidentally close the window I had open at work or it logs out before I post. It's happened four times now (between here and that Conspiracy Forum thread at ILP). I've really got to start writing all this on word just to be sure I won't lose it.

You shouldn't be getting logged out... that hasn't happened to me. As far I know, there is no logout timer.

Also, you can save posts into the 'drafts' area to work on later.
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Yeah, here I just accidentally close the window or some screw up happens on systems at work, only at ILP I get logged out.
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If you use chrome or firefox (and I think most of them at this point) you can go to

'recently closed windows/tabs' and then just re-open it.

The beauty of HTML 5 is that web content has a temporary cache so even forum posts can be restored.
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12-06-2012, 10:21 AM  Post: #38
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For some reason, work uses an old internet explorer.

At home all is well though -- Thanks for the cache tip!
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lol wut.

Get them to change that. No one should use IE.
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12-06-2012, 10:44 AM  Post: #40
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Haha, I wish. I have absolutely no say in that regard... but at least I have fairly open internet access at this job.
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Man I would fight that so hard.

If I hadn't used a WP theme that is going to be inclusive to all browsers, I would set up the website so that if you were on IE you were guaranteed to have the shittiest experience possible haha
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Hahaha, well, it might have motivated me to do some more work if you did end up doing that. But God, a trained monkey can do the stuff I do, so I'm fairly quick in getting things sorted. I fail to grasp how others keep falling behind though. I mean, it's not quantum physics here... it's Workers Compensation.
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12-07-2012, 02:20 AM (This post was last modified: 12-07-2012 02:21 AM by Blurry.)  Post: #43
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I tried to subscribe to a thread this morning, but when I clicked "subscribe to this thread" on the bottom of the page, I got a page with the message - "Authorization code mismatch. Are you accessing this function correctly? Please go back and try again." I tried on this thread too, just to see, and got the same thing.

Has anyone else tried using the Subscribe function yet? Is it broken, or is it just me that's having issues?
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12-07-2012, 02:24 AM  Post: #44
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Seems to be working fine when I just checked it now, at least for me.
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Huh. I just tried again and nope, same thing.

Well that sucks.
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12-07-2012, 08:24 AM  Post: #46
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It happened to me too Blurry... not sure what's causing it.
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I will look into it.
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Hmm. It seems to work fine for me. Are you using IE?
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On a side note, spam bots have begun registering and posting. We need to protect against this asap, and if we already have, we may want to look at increasing security.

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Interesting.

So much to do!
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I've been giving you and Big Tom (so far) some reputation, as I think it was deserved where it was given, but also to test it out. I think it's a nice way to thank someone for their posts, and it lets you tell them why too.
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Yeah I was reading the discussion on ILP about the merits of.... a system of giving merit.

To be honest I kind of forget about it - like I don't see it when I look at the forum usually - but it seems like a decent system.

I'm just worried about it turning into a 'shun the non-believer' type situation. I just thought of this, but I'm going to set it up so it's a pretty rare thing. Like you get maybe 1 per day, or week.

(This is unrelated, but the other day I was watching this youtube on how there are these computers that can brute force like any password 0-24 characters in a very short amount of time. Then this developer in the comments chimed in and he was like (seemingly genuinely surprised), "Why don't you guys just, ad developers, set the frequency of password attempts to 1/second, that way it doesn't matter the type of computer, it's always occurring at the speed of a 70's calculator.)

It's all about frequency.
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(12-11-2012 01:52 PM)Gobbo Wrote:  
Hmm. It seems to work fine for me. Are you using IE?
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I use IE at work.

However, I use Chrome at home, and I think I tried it there and got the same result. I can't remember for sure, though, I'll try again when I get home tonight.
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12-19-2012, 11:30 AM  Post: #54
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That shizz still doesn't work for me.
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(12-19-2012 11:30 AM)Blurry Wrote:  
That shizz still doesn't work for me.

You're at work on IE, right?

I'll be honest. I fucking hate IE, and I pretty much refuse to cater to it. Old people aren't going to be using this website, and pretty much only old people (and I guess US employees) need to use IE.
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I tried it again this morning (via Opera) and it worked fine first time. I can only imagine it is a browser issue, and much as I'd like to try to help you Blurry, I'm with Gobbo regarding catering for IE. It's like the Polish language - backwards, inefficient and not enough people use it for me to care.
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I use Chrome at home, and it doesn't work there, either.
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It seems this is an issue that affects other boards, where only certain members can't get the subscribe function to work. Maybe we need to update... something. The theme? Some people were talking about theme updates to solve this problem.

I'm not giving up, I just don't know how to solve the problem yet.
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12-20-2012, 07:17 AM (This post was last modified: 12-20-2012 07:18 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #59
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Hmm. After I'm done with this column pitch I will look into it.
Also that Polish language thing was hilarious.
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12-20-2012, 08:25 AM  Post: #60
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It is racist to accuse the Poles but I agree, welcome!
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(12-20-2012 04:42 AM)BigTom Wrote:  
I'm with Gobbo regarding catering for IE. It's like the Polish language - backwards, inefficient and not enough people use it for me to care.

(12-20-2012 07:17 AM)Gobbo Wrote:  
Also that Polish language thing was hilarious.

I speak [broken] Polish, my mother was born there, and my father was born here, though all grandparents and all known ancestors were born in Poland. We joke that the language is kind of a 'baby language,' simply for the phonetics of a lot of the words. In Australia, we do Irish jokes instead of Polish, but they're pretty much exactly the same. I don't know how Irish jokes started in Australia or how the rest of the world sees it, but there you have it.

But yeah, I understand the Poles are generally still copping it from being sold out in WWII, through jokes, movies and all sorts of other propaganda, essentially to make the rest of the Western World feel better about handing Poland over to one of their invaders after the war. This left what Poles who remained with minimal to no support to fight up to 1989 to finally win back the country. Of course, whats funny is funny and most wouldn't intend the propaganda aspect anymore (though I'm pretty sure the UK are understandably starting jokes now as a result of the massive immigration).

On a side note, I feel it's no coincidence that pretty much Poland's entire government was killed in a plane crash not too long after denying the swine vaccine. The Polish Health Minister cited numerous concerns, leading to a Presidential investigation into the same... But I'm sure there was more to it, whether or not that was related to the crash at all.

I use Chrome at home and IE at work, which I can't help, but the subscribe button has not worked for me so far in the clean skin (I've never really used subscribe before though, so no loss to me so far!).
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Basically, here in Europe, everyone is racist about everyone else.

But you're right, there is a distinct guilt over how we've treated Poland, and let Poland be treated, and it might explain why the Poles are a bit of a morose bunch. Pleasant enough, hella hard working (far more so than us lazy Brits), but they do like to drink and get upset about things.

The usually excellent Corbett Report podcast discussed the Polish government plane crash in a recent episode, you should check it out.
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(12-20-2012 10:24 AM)BigTom Wrote:  
...but they do like to drink and get upset about things.

Very much so, from what I've seen (and naturally, I guess, partaken in).

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The usually excellent Corbett Report podcast discussed the Polish government plane crash in a recent episode, you should check it out.

It's been relatively quiet regarding the crash, outside of Poland anyway. Recently, one of those petitions to the White House was made for an international investigation to the crash, but the White House declined citing appropriate Russian and Polish investigations having already taken place. Outside of that, it's pretty much been a to and fro over mis-identified bodies, with some Poles, including some of high rank, placing the blame sqarely on Russia.

I will check out the Corbett Report on it when I get home. You say it's usually excellent, and coming from you, I take it as a pretty big endorsement.
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'Clearly, language threatening to wipe a nation or a group of people off the map is to be condemned by all civilized people. And I do condemn any such language. But why does threatening Iran with a pre-emptive nuclear strike, as many here have done, not also deserve the same kind of condemnation? Does anyone believe that dropping nuclear weapons on Iran will not wipe a people off the map? When it is said that nothing, including a nuclear strike, is off the table on Iran, are those who say it not also threatening genocide? And we wonder why the rest of the world accuses us of behaving hypocritically.'
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H. Con. Res. 21 is a resolution: '...Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and United Nations Charter because of his calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.'

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Merry Christmas everyone.


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Merry Christmas.

Here's to a sweet New Year.
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Let's keep it politically correct, here, people.

Happy holidays.
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Considering research on the matter of 'young blood,' the blood of children that is [and it's connection to rejuvenating tissues in older people, slowing aging, etc], I'm pretty sure that many child abductions worldwide, mass or singular, etc, are related to it. The pedophile angle I don't quite get, but as with many occult practices, I understand sex acts as a gateway or powerful key.

I wonder exactly how far these peoples research on this has gone. I wonder how far they themselves have gone.

It is reasonable to assume that these people, having the ability to make children simply disappear without a trace and not getting caught implies they wield a great deal of power and are able to operate in front of us, right in front of our eyes, without suspicion.

It is reasonable to assume that these people, with that kind of power, have lots of money. They're probably the ones who puppeteer the ones who puppeteer the ones that print it. So how far they've delved into researching and furthering this, I wonder.

I know that mans fear of death will sway some enough to commit any act in order to prolonge his life with hopes of immortality. I imagine they are improving on keeping themselves young and working towards the ability to reverse/forward the aging process, if they haven't done that already. I also imagine they can cure and prevent all diseases. In this vein, we might consider that a 'public personality' ages and gives the appearance that they have passed away, but instead they reverse their aging process and live in the shadows for a while with a new name to 'grow into.' With cosmetic surgery, and probably genetic/cosmetic medicine... With fashion changes -- hair, makeup, clothing... With everyone around them (which is us) dying... how the fuck could anyone tell who they are in 100-200 years or so, if they were to reappear? And who wouldn't be thought of as a quack in society for saying something like 'person x is person y from this many years ago, its not a reincarnation, its the same exact person'?

I imagine a more peaceful world might draw larger attention to issues like so many children continually going missing, and that a world filled with such utter confusion and issues to keep people absorbed aid these people in continuing their work right in front of our faces...

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'Old George Orwell got it backward. Big Brother isn't watching. He's singing and dancing. He's pulling rabbits out of a hat. Big Brother's holding your attention every moment you're awake. He's making sure you're always distracted. He's making sure you're fully absorbed... and this being fed, it's worse than being watched. With the world always filling you, no one has to worry about what's in your mind. With everyone's imagination atrophied, no one will ever be a threat to the world.'
Chuck Palahniuk

...To 'their' world.

I wonder why they wouldn't go underground. They probably are underground though, with ways of making people/children specifically for their fucked up purposes. I'll bet by some occult standard, they need 'natural borns' too though, or some will. But then, I wonder how many groups of these people exist, and whether any are at 'war.'

I wonder if this all wasn't already happening a few thousand years ago, and whether a few people over the course of history have been given 'offers.' I wonder how many of these are involved in other things, other interests, conflicting or no, on the world stage. Their power implies a lot. I imagine a lot of the 'satanic' stuff is a smokescreen to divert attention from their occult goals though.

I hope this is all simply my imagination, but I fear there is far more to it, and that it is far more true on some degree than I may ever imagine.

Just thinking outloud.
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Gibbon...

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I am just... over the moon on this news that Arnie will return for Conan III (disregarding the recent failed 'Conan'). Arnie will play an aged Conan (perfect) who has already become king by his own hand. In Howard's writings, Conan's thoughts on life were such, 'when I cannot stand alone, it will be time to die.' In a recent interview, Arnie mentioned 300 as an example of what he wants the third Conan to be for its epic quality -- that is, you remember its name and its even parodied, much like Al Yank' did with the first two Conan's (fuck I enjoyed the Librarian skit).

The film will represent the end of a saga, and in line of the first film crossing boundaries of the past, Arnie wants the new to do the same today. Lets just hope it plays out to even half of that expectation. I am pumped. I've been waiting almost 19 years or so for this. It demands an epic conclusion. When I cannot stand alone, it will be time to die. The dude is king. It's fucking Conan. The battle(s) and story must be epic, in a peasant kind of way, in homage to the first film. Of course it may not reach expectations, but an end is an end. I even liked the destroyer for many of its scenes. It entertained me, and gave me memorable, now nostalgic scenes and quotes. So whatever happens, thats the very least all I ask of the third.
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Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.They know that America is not a place of which it can be said, as it used to be, that a man may choose his own calling and pursue it just as far as his abilities enable him to pursue it; because to-day, if he enters certain fields, there are organizations which will use means against him that will prevent his building up a business which they do not want to have built up; organizations that will see to it that the ground is cut from under him and the markets shut against him. For if he begins to sell to certain retail dealers, to any retail dealers, the monopoly will refuse to sell to those dealers, and those dealers, afraid, will not buy the new man's wares.
- Section I: “The Old Order Changeth”, p. 13
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American industry is not free, as once it was free; American enterprise is not free; the man with only a little capital is finding it harder to get into the field, more and more impossible to compete with the big fellow. Why? Because the laws of this country do not prevent the strong from crushing the weak.
- Section I: “The Old Order Changeth”, p. 15.
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No country can afford to have its prosperity originated by a small controlling class. The treasury of America lies in those ambitions, those energies, that cannot be restricted to a special favored class. It depends upon the inventions of unknown men, upon the originations of unknown men, upon the ambitions of unknown men. Every country is renewed out of the ranks of the unknown, not out of the ranks of those already famous and powerful and in control.
- Section I: “The Old Order Changeth”, p. 17.
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The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.
- Section II: “What is Progress?”, p. 35.

Woodrow Wilson
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Haha nice
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Urg. I'm sick.

Since getting into the 'nite I barely get sick, but I think my brother's disgusting bong was contaminated with something.

So if my posts seem grumpy, that's why.
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It's weird: when I drink orange juice I get the chills big time.
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Concerning news: http://rt.com/business/news/us-major-dep...rawal-740/

'US Federal Reserve is reporting a major deposit withdrawal from the nation’s bank accounts. The financial system has not seen such a massive fund outflow since 9/11 attacks. The first week of January 2013 has seen $114 billion withdrawn from 25 of the US’ biggest banks, pushing deposits down to $5.37 trillion, according to the US Fed.'
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What amazes me is that there is over 5 trillion on deposit in major US banks. Surely that can't be right...
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I somehow love this -- What is said to be the worlds oldest dash cam footage.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=854_1357175296
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THE TEN PRINCIPLES OF A FREE SOCIETY
Ron Paul, Liberty Defined (2011)

1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

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In order to become greater than God [by whatever definition] and gain the populaces worship/belief, one must either be greater, or propogandise God as to be beneath he. By killing God through propoganda, one accomplishes that goal in one foul stroke, leaving the populaces belief open to what has become God's natural replacement in society -- the state.


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What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone? How else can we put ourselves in harmonious relation with the great verities and consolations of the infinite and the eternal? And I avow my faith that we are marching towards better days. Humanity will not be cast down. We are going on swinging bravely forward along the grand high road and already behind the distant mountains is the promise of the sun.
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Would that be Ron Paul, the man who wants to destroy the welfare state but keep the CIA and Pentagon intact so they can declare martial law?

Would that be the same Ron Paul whose contributors were all arms companies, with the notable exception of the CIA-affiliated facebook investor who is on the steering committee of Bilderberg?

The degree of bullshit on this site is making it difficult for me to stay here, to be honest. Maybe none of you care...
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You had critisism about Branson as well, but didn't back it up [as well]. In any case, I wasn't talking about Branson or Paul, I was just quoting them as I agree with the quoted sentiments. Do you not?

I do just happen to know you're wrong in your statement about Paul's contributors though. And though I know some of it to be true, you haven't backed it up in any way, which would in part be a ridiculous task given the language you used.

I agree there is a degree of useless bullshit here, and its hard to try given whatnot. At the moment I'm only attempting to spur some kind of discussion I could go with.
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You had critisism about Branson as well, but didn't back it up [as well].

I don't remember this. If it was about Branson's close links to the British Royal Family then that's not a matter of dispute unless you're trying to make it a matter of dispute.

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In any case, I wasn't talking about Branson or Paul, I was just quoting them as I agree with the quoted sentiments. Do you not?

Not really, no. I'm an anarchist, I think all this 'the state should be for this this and this but not for this this and this' is just trying to reform an inherently corrupt, violent organisation. Do you believe you could infiltrate the mafia and turn it into a charity?

Let's look at the 'principles' espoused by Ronald Reag- sorry, by Ronald Paul:

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THE TEN PRINCIPLES OF A FREE SOCIETY
Ron Paul, Liberty Defined (2011)

First off, does it not worry you that this man, a failed politician who has spent almost his entire life badmouthing the system that allows him to live extremely comfortably, is clearly trying to simply and tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion?

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1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

'Rights' is meaningless if they belong to individuals. My freedom means nothing if you are not also free. The philosophy of the power of the individual is the cult of every dictator in history.

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2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

'Permitted' by whom? By the government? By Ron Paul the great dictator?

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3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

I do broadly agree with this, but I'm sure I'd disagree with Paul over how to defined 'justly acquired'. For example, Paul seems to have no desire to prosecute banksters (he's never mentioned it as far as I know) and seems to think it's our responsibility to pay back their debts. If you look at his projected budgets then you'll see he actually favoured increasing government revenues over the period 2012-2016 in order to balance the budget and start paying down the debt. There was nothing in there about taking back all the money looted through TARP, HUD etc. in order to pay off these debts - it all came from ordinary people.

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4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

And as above, in Ron Paul's world this is a right that is granted to banksters but not to ordinary people. That's his actual policies, published on his own website, the easiest thing in the world.

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5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

Government's can protect us from ourselves, but they shouldn't anyway. This is simply deluded, in its current form.

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6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

Why have a government at all?

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7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

Coming from a man who voted for the war in Afghanistan and has not in any way explained why this comes across as a 'but it's fine for governments to fight wars that they pretend are self-defence'.

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8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

I do sorta agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with a free society.

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9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

OK, I do agree with this and do consider it a principle of a free society (or rather, a standard against which one can test the relative freedom of a society). But once again, it doesn't match up with the actual policies being advocated by Ron Paul, except in the sense of cutting welfare during the worst recesssion in recent US history and calling that liberty.

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10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Again, why have government at all when it's clear that no government is capable of living in accordance with this principle? Government per se is a violation of this principle.

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I do just happen to know you're wrong in your statement about Paul's contributors though. And though I know some of it to be true, you haven't backed it up in any way, which would in part be a ridiculous task given the language you used.

Top contributors to Ron Paul, 2012 election cycle:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contri...=N00005906

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US Army $113,933
US Navy $91,100
US Air Force $88,102
Google Inc $42,478
US Dept of Defense $39,500
Boeing Co $30,724
US Marine Corps $30,708
Microsoft Corp $30,259
IBM Corp $26,547
US Government $25,766
Intel Corp $24,046
Lockheed Martin $23,370
Northrop Grumman $22,635
Ragingwire Enterprise Solutions $20,000
Corriente Advisors $20,000
US Dept of Homeland Security $19,984
US Postal Service $19,692
Verizon Communications $17,243
Oracle Corp $17,163
AT&T Inc $17,152

Pretty much all military industry in some way or other. But by all means prove how I'm categorically wrong about whose interests Ron Paul actually represents, if you can. As to the CIA affiliated paypal founding early facebook investor/senior Bilderberger who gave Ron Paul $2.5 million:
http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-...gop-2012-8
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Just one day after Ron Paul officially exited the Republican presidential race, PayPal co-founder and libertarian bankroller Peter Thiel made a quiet trip to Tampa to meet with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and several Paul-friendly delegates, sources close to the Paul camp told Business Insider Wednesday.

According to those sources, Thiel had a private meeting with the younger Paul Wednesday morning, and later met with some of Paul's delegates at a private home in Tampa's Stoney Point neighborhood.

The meetings were not related to fundraising, one source told Business Insider, but rather to discuss "the future of the Liberty Movement," the preferred name of the conservative libertarian movement inspired in part by Ron Paul. Thiel, who recently cashed out on his Facebook investment, has donated millions to so-called Liberty candidates this election cycle, including more than $2.5 million to a SuperPAC supporting Congressman Paul's third White House bid.

Could that possibly explain Ron Paul's denunciation of the public domain and praise for data-mining spying companies like Apple and Microsoft?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=233843.0

It really doesn't take much effort to pick Ron Paul apart for what he really is - a career politician who waited until the end of his life to make a run for president on a platform that pretends to be radical when in reality it excuses the austerity politics of the day. Why has he waited until now to run for president, when he has no chance of winning? Because he's a stooge. It's the most obvious thing in the world, if only you bother to look.

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I agree there is a degree of useless bullshit here, and its hard to try given whatnot. At the moment I'm only attempting to spur some kind of discussion I could go with.

By posting pictures that claim guns are less dangerous than pens and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot? That's moronic, vile garbage. Why are you doing the job of propagandists for them?
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We're all friends. If we become divided in the coming years, then they win.
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Sure, we are all friends, but I also think that if we waste this opportunity talking bullshit, and giving credence to the most obvious of controlled oppositions, then they win.
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How 'bout that debate?
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(02-04-2013 11:04 PM)BigTom Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 09:12 PM)W.C. Wrote:  
You had critisism about Branson as well, but didn't back it up [as well].

I don't remember this. If it was about Branson's close links to the British Royal Family then that's not a matter of dispute unless you're trying to make it a matter of dispute.

Not at all, Lady Di loved the fella, but you seemed to allude he gained his fortune via drugs, which I don't understand, though I understand drugs would naturally change hands in a pub/club establishment, many of which he owned, and especially at that gay club.

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In any case, I wasn't talking about Branson or Paul, I was just quoting them as I agree with the quoted sentiments. Do you not?

Not really, no. I'm an anarchist, I think all this 'the state should be for this this and this but not for this this and this' is just trying to reform an inherently corrupt, violent organisation. Do you believe you could infiltrate the mafia and turn it into a charity?

But why would you need to? If all as individuals have equal freedoms, you be charitable to your own degree and live your life. You restrict government to justice, and social issues will remain in the public spectrum, where they should. Man taking his rightful part in his own education and governance then by necessity.

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Let's look at the 'principles' espoused by Ronald Reag- sorry, by Ronald Paul:

Did it make you feel better? Making some kind of Reagan joke? I get it, loosely, but Paul is espousing things far before that time, and far beyond that actor (whatever intentions he may have had), no?

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THE TEN PRINCIPLES OF A FREE SOCIETY
Ron Paul, Liberty Defined (2011)

First off, does it not worry you that this man, a failed politician...

Alright, I'll stop you there.

What exactly are you trying to say or do in this bit? Are you trying to say that politics as they stand today, and our politicians whatever they represent, are to be measured on how well they can adapt to this great and current established order, irregardless of whatever immoral and self depreciating act it asks you such politicians to commit?

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...who has spent almost his entire life badmouthing the system that allows him to live extremely comfortably, is clearly trying to simply and tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion?

That he has educated himself and invested and made precautions, whilst revoking the Congress Pension (the American peoples' tax dollar), is to be reguarded as a clear indication he is simply trying to 'tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion'?

I plainly disagree. But if you need more info, just ask.

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1. Rights belong to individuals, not groups; they derive from our nature and can neither be granted nor taken away by government.

'Rights' is meaningless if they belong to individuals. My freedom means nothing if you are not also free. The philosophy of the power of the individual is the cult of every dictator in history.


In what way are they meaningless in individual hands?

Dictators through history have arisin as a result of the lack of rights in individual hands, as the state and general political 'writer' or media tend to remove themselves from humanity when writing and enacting or endorsing legislation, and assume all progressive acts to that of the dictator and legislative court rather than that of the people -- though they forget they are of the same mold. Yet they still attempt to mold the people towards their own goals and wants, and proclaim all acts the people have achieved as that of the states wise guidance.

Listen, little man!

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2. All peaceful, voluntary economic and social associations are permitted; consent is the basis of the social and economic order.

'Permitted' by whom? By the government? By Ron Paul the great dictator?

By God/Universe-given right to you as an individual in a moral world; no one can take this from you, but our governments do despite what we desire and should have right to.

If the government is made to have no jurisdiction over associations, social and economic order, the 'permission' is made by you fulfilling your civic duty and making it as such.

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3. Justly acquired property is privately owned by individuals and voluntary groups, and this ownership cannot be arbitrarily voided by governments.

I do broadly agree with this, but I'm sure I'd disagree with Paul over how to defined 'justly acquired'. For example, Paul seems to have no desire to prosecute banksters (he's never mentioned it as far as I know) and seems to think it's our responsibility to pay back their debts. If you look at his projected budgets then you'll see he actually favoured increasing government revenues over the period 2012-2016 in order to balance the budget and start paying down the debt. There was nothing in there about taking back all the money looted through TARP, HUD etc. in order to pay off these debts - it all came from ordinary people.

I doubt you would, to the 'justly acquired' part. But indeed on taking back the money -- although the proposal was by means of reducing taxation on ordinary people and increasing the market [thus increasing tax revenue and the economy], as opposed to chasing ghosts which you can better worry about once the countries greatest modern defence (the economy) is better stabilised.

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4. Government may not redistribute private wealth or grant special privileges to any individual or group.

And as above, in Ron Paul's world this is a right that is granted to banksters but not to ordinary people. That's his actual policies, published on his own website, the easiest thing in the world.

I don't even comprehend what you're trying to say, but you haven't looked in to Paul much apparently, by your own allusions. In Ron Paul's world, the banksters too wouldn't have this power. It could and would only be in the peoples hands until perverted.

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5. Individuals are responsible for their own actions; government cannot and should not protect us from ourselves.

Government's can protect us from ourselves, but they shouldn't anyway. This is simply deluded, in its current form.

How can they protect us from ourselves? If I want pot or cocaine or a gun or whatnot, I don't think of the Government before I partake or buy one, it's always so easily available. The Government is unable to even keep drugs from prisons. Yet they want to make society in to a prison to protect us from ourselves. How is this even serious?

What exactly do you mean?

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6. Government may not claim the monopoly over a people's money and governments must never engage in official counterfeiting, even in the name of macroeconomic stability.

Why have a government at all?

Collective justice and the defence of the individual. Nothing more, nothing less. The rest is, you know, up to us, humanity, who the many governments claim to represent better than the people to which they deem they reside over and decide for.

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7. Aggressive wars, even when called preventative, and even when they pertain only to trade relations, are forbidden.

Coming from a man who voted for the war in Afghanistan and has not in any way explained why this comes across as a 'but it's fine for governments to fight wars that they pretend are self-defence'.

In my understanding, Paul's intention was to give the President the power to defend the nation from [at that time] a 'proven' threat -- which the Government presented as a factual terrorist attack from Afghanistan. Paul simply supported the right to the nations defense at that time, defense of course meaning aggression or retaliation and conquering of ones foes. Paul wants America defended, this bit about his stance being fine with governments fighting wars they pretend are for self defense are ridiculous, given what he's said and done.

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8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

I do sorta agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with a free society.

If one is to have a collective form of justice (Government) to ensure liberty, you need people who aren't pure bureaucrats. The right to judge the law as well as the facts to me simply means 'and common sense shall prevail.'

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9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

OK, I do agree with this and do consider it a principle of a free society (or rather, a standard against which one can test the relative freedom of a society). But once again, it doesn't match up with the actual policies being advocated by Ron Paul, except in the sense of cutting welfare during the worst recesssion in recent US history and calling that liberty.

By what policies, that were advocated by Paul? I looked in quite deep, as I feel if a great man is found he should be known as such, and I am not sure what you mean.

Welfare, as you may or should know, is mainly used by corporations and business. The welfare they mention on the news and tv endlessly, that of people on the dole or social security cheques or foodstamps or whatnot, can never ever reach the amount of welfare corporations receive.

The right to bear arms does not change due to the weather. Conversely, bending liberty to mean welfare when circumstances warrant welfare does not change the definition of liberty or the governments role -- we are all free to give, but why should this ever be the governments role, compromising and twisting it's task of justice immediately by means of fraternity, of which the government has no moral or feasible role?

We want to be charitable? We should be. But until we can force others with guns and imprisonment if they do not donate to the charities or goals we deem, nor should the government.

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10. Government must obey the law that it expects other people to obey and thereby must never use force to mold behavior, manipulate social outcomes, manage the economy, or tell other countries how to behave.

Again, why have government at all when it's clear that no government is capable of living in accordance with this principle? Government per se is a violation of this principle.

It is not, if government is only a means of justice and defense, as it should only be, and was in America for a time.

I think you see communism as inherent in government, and deem it the natural state of the thing. Though this is the governments perversion, which you deem as its natural state, and so of course it is impossible in your mind to reconcile that government is not capable...

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I do just happen to know you're wrong in your statement about Paul's contributors though. And though I know some of it to be true, you haven't backed it up in any way, which would in part be a ridiculous task given the language you used.

Top contributors to Ron Paul, 2012 election cycle:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contri...=N00005906

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US Army $113,933
US Navy $91,100
US Air Force $88,102
Google Inc $42,478
US Dept of Defense $39,500
Boeing Co $30,724
US Marine Corps $30,708
Microsoft Corp $30,259
IBM Corp $26,547
US Government $25,766
Intel Corp $24,046
Lockheed Martin $23,370
Northrop Grumman $22,635
Ragingwire Enterprise Solutions $20,000
Corriente Advisors $20,000
US Dept of Homeland Security $19,984
US Postal Service $19,692
Verizon Communications $17,243
Oracle Corp $17,163
AT&T Inc $17,152

Pretty much all military industry in some way or other. But by all means prove how I'm categorically wrong about whose interests Ron Paul actually represents, if you can. As to the CIA affiliated paypal founding early facebook investor/senior Bilderberger who gave Ron Paul $2.5 million:
http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-...gop-2012-8

I'm aware of all this, but I'm surprised this is what you use as evidence.

Do you know who of the military/CIA/etc donated to Paul? The servicemen, who agreed America shouldn't be the worlds Policemen. Every other candidate has corporates in the actual military industrial complex and banking system as their sponsors.

Look at what the man actually says. Do you really think he's what they make out as? If you look at what he actually says, you will see exactly why they make him out the way they do.

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Just one day after Ron Paul officially exited the Republican presidential race, PayPal co-founder and libertarian bankroller Peter Thiel made a quiet trip to Tampa to meet with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and several Paul-friendly delegates, sources close to the Paul camp told Business Insider Wednesday.

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The meetings were not related to fundraising, one source told Business Insider, but rather to discuss "the future of the Liberty Movement," the preferred name of the conservative libertarian movement inspired in part by Ron Paul. Thiel, who recently cashed out on his Facebook investment, has donated millions to so-called Liberty candidates this election cycle, including more than $2.5 million to a SuperPAC supporting Congressman Paul's third White House bid.

Could that possibly explain Ron Paul's denunciation of the public domain and praise for data-mining spying companies like Apple and Microsoft?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=233843.0

It really doesn't take much effort to pick Ron Paul apart for what he really is - a career politician who waited until the end of his life to make a run for president on a platform that pretends to be radical when in reality it excuses the austerity politics of the day. Why has he waited until now to run for president, when he has no chance of winning? Because he's a stooge. It's the most obvious thing in the world, if only you bother to look.

Come on, you like spy shit and you can't read between the lines here? You don't even need to do that, if you read the guy.

All you've got is associations and what seemed to be very lazy statements against Paul's philosophies, which should very well be expounded -- to which I hope you agree, despite any 'character issues' you may have with Paul's associations.

Even the CIA guy who spoke up for him spoke about ceasing wars, encouraging liberty, etc. How is any of this a bad thing. We get to be free if we agree, but we should fight against our freedoms because we need protection from ourselves? Really? Or 'cause the Muslims are coming'? I don't allude to know your reason, but these came to my mind.

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I agree there is a degree of useless bullshit here, and its hard to try given whatnot. At the moment I'm only attempting to spur some kind of discussion I could go with.

By posting pictures that claim guns are less dangerous than pens and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot? That's moronic, vile garbage. Why are you doing the job of propagandists for them?

I was trying to spur discussion, posting things which may do such and which may lead to discussions I'd happily have. You seem to either want this place quiet or to be posting some kind of critique constantly (or at least, for people to be posting something you can critique rather than add to).

I'm sick of labels dude, seriously, moronic garbage how, explain your position. I could call things all sorts of things all day, but its just not interesting, and really, what the fuck can you learn from it but that? So forgive me if I ask you for some elaboration...
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By posting pictures that claim guns are less dangerous than pens and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot?

Yeah, it seems as if we just happen to disagree. I'm not sure why you're so worked up. We've asked you a bunch of times to put aside the select things you're focusing on, and just address the general ethos of where we're coming from here.

Are we allowed to believe that guns can do some good, or are you diametrically opposed to that position? I think we've been way more flexible than you, and surely you have called us idiots more.
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Not at all, Lady Di loved the fella, but you seemed to allude he gained his fortune via drugs, which I don't understand, though I understand drugs would naturally change hands in a pub/club establishment, many of which he owned, and especially at that gay club.

I have it on good authority, I don't have a URL or anything.

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Not really, no. I'm an anarchist, I think all this 'the state should be for this this and this but not for this this and this' is just trying to reform an inherently corrupt, violent organisation. Do you believe you could infiltrate the mafia and turn it into a charity?

But why would you need to? If all as individuals have equal freedoms, you be charitable to your own degree and live your life. You restrict government to justice, and social issues will remain in the public spectrum, where they should. Man taking his rightful part in his own education and governance then by necessity.

You restrict government to justice? How do you do that, if they define justice? This is idealistic in the extreme.

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Did it make you feel better? Making some kind of Reagan joke? I get it, loosely, but Paul is espousing things far before that time, and far beyond that actor (whatever intentions he may have had), no?

As far as I can tell their policies (not their rhetoric) are identical. It isn't about making me feel better, that's a cheap ad hom tactic on your part.

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a failed politician...

Alright, I'll stop you there.

What exactly are you trying to say or do in this bit? Are you trying to say that politics as they stand today, and our politicians whatever they represent, are to be measured on how well they can adapt to this great and current established order, irregardless of whatever immoral and self depreciating act it asks you such politicians to commit?

I'm saying that a failed politician is a bad person to look up. Despite all the compromising, despite all the crowd-pleasing rhetoric, despite the endorsement of major media organisations like RT, despite all the money from Microsoft, Boeing and the Pentagon, Ron Paul is a failure. Hence, what the hell would he know? Why even give him the time of day, when he is a man who makes a living telling people what they want to hear, taking their money and wasting it on failure. He's basically a fraudulent gambling addict.

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...who has spent almost his entire life badmouthing the system that allows him to live extremely comfortably, is clearly trying to simply and tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion?

That he has educated himself and invested and made precautions, whilst revoking the Congress Pension (the American peoples' tax dollar), is to be reguarded as a clear indication he is simply trying to 'tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion'?

I plainly disagree. But if you need more info, just ask.

OK, you see nothing wrong with a wealthy career politician equating keeping the Pentagon but shredding the welfare state in the name of 'individual freedom'. Fine. It isn't a question of more info.

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In what way are they meaningless in individual hands?

Dictators through history have arisin as a result of the lack of rights in individual hands, as the state and general political 'writer' or media tend to remove themselves from humanity when writing and enacting or endorsing legislation, and assume all progressive acts to that of the dictator and legislative court rather than that of the people -- though they forget they are of the same mold. Yet they still attempt to mold the people towards their own goals and wants, and proclaim all acts the people have achieved as that of the states wise guidance.

Listen, little man!

Go fuck yourself.

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By God/Universe-given right to you as an individual in a moral world; no one can take this from you, but our governments do despite what we desire and should have right to.

If the government is made to have no jurisdiction over associations, social and economic order, the 'permission' is made by you fulfilling your civic duty and making it as such.

It's hardly as though it is just government that infringe on people's rights. I don't believe in God or that the Universe accords rights to individuals. That's absurd. Like I say, this is just Ron Paul bashing the government and getting rich of it.

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I doubt you would, to the 'justly acquired' part. But indeed on taking back the money -- although the proposal was by means of reducing taxation on ordinary people and increasing the market [thus increasing tax revenue and the economy], as opposed to chasing ghosts which you can better worry about once the countries greatest modern defence (the economy) is better stabilised.

There is no more growth. Ron Paul's budgets require something like 10% year on year growth. Where does the energy come from to fuel that sort of growth?

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And as above, in Ron Paul's world this is a right that is granted to banksters but not to ordinary people. That's his actual policies, published on his own website, the easiest thing in the world.

I don't even comprehend what you're trying to say, but you haven't looked in to Paul much apparently, by your own allusions. In Ron Paul's world, the banksters too wouldn't have this power. It could and would only be in the peoples hands until perverted.

We don't live in 'Ron Paul's world', we live in this world, right now, where the banksters have looted trillions. Ron Paul's platform makes no mention of locking them up or taking that money back off them to pay off the debts incurred by them. If he was President now, none of that would have changed.

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How can they protect us from ourselves? If I want pot or cocaine or a gun or whatnot, I don't think of the Government before I partake or buy one, it's always so easily available. The Government is unable to even keep drugs from prisons.

You think it's really trying?

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Yet they want to make society in to a prison to protect us from ourselves. How is this even serious?

What exactly do you mean?

I mean that governments can affect people's behaviour, indeed your whole argument is that they do, and yet at the same time that they don't. It's quite funny watching you wrestle with this, when in the real world (not Ron Paul's Theme Park) it's quite simple. I'm not even saying the government protecting us from ourselves is a good thing, I'm just saying it happens whether you admit it or not.

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Why have a government at all?

Collective justice and the defence of the individual. Nothing more, nothing less. The rest is, you know, up to us, humanity, who the many governments claim to represent better than the people to which they deem they reside over and decide for.

I fail to see how government produces defence of the individual, or how this is compatible with collective justice.

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Coming from a man who voted for the war in Afghanistan and has not in any way explained why this comes across as a 'but it's fine for governments to fight wars that they pretend are self-defence'.

In my understanding, Paul's intention was to give the President the power to defend the nation from [at that time] a 'proven' threat -- which the Government presented as a factual terrorist attack from Afghanistan. Paul simply supported the right to the nations defense at that time, defense of course meaning aggression or retaliation and conquering of ones foes. Paul wants America defended, this bit about his stance being fine with governments fighting wars they pretend are for self defense are ridiculous, given what he's said and done.

Paul voted for the war in Afghanistan. Spin it any way you like.

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8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

I do sorta agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with a free society.

If one is to have a collective form of justice (Government) to ensure liberty, you need people who aren't pure bureaucrats. The right to judge the law as well as the facts to me simply means 'and common sense shall prevail.'

I don't have a clue what you're on about here.

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9. All forms of involuntary servitude are prohibited, not only slavery but also conscription, forced association, and forced welfare distribution.

OK, I do agree with this and do consider it a principle of a free society (or rather, a standard against which one can test the relative freedom of a society). But once again, it doesn't match up with the actual policies being advocated by Ron Paul, except in the sense of cutting welfare during the worst recesssion in recent US history and calling that liberty.

By what policies, that were advocated by Paul? I looked in quite deep, as I feel if a great man is found he should be known as such, and I am not sure what you mean.

Welfare, as you may or should know, is mainly used by corporations and business. The welfare they mention on the news and tv endlessly, that of people on the dole or social security cheques or foodstamps or whatnot, can never ever reach the amount of welfare corporations receive.

And yet, Ron Paul's budgets called for the abolition of HUD and a huge cut in the food stamps provision. And not one word about taking money back from Goldman Sachs et al. I imagine you can find this on his website, again this isn't difficult stuff to locate if you get past the pretty speeches and ask yourself 'what is this professional politician actually proposing?'

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The right to bear arms does not change due to the weather. Conversely, bending liberty to mean welfare when circumstances warrant welfare does not change the definition of liberty or the governments role -- we are all free to give, but why should this ever be the governments role, compromising and twisting it's task of justice immediately by means of fraternity, of which the government has no moral or feasible role?

Ideally there would be no welfare state. However, a man who wants to cut welfare to the poorest people while maintaining the huge Pentagon budgets (a lot of which is corporate welfare to arms manufacturers) is a terrible person. The actual effect of Ron Paul's 'Libertarian' policies would be to starve a lot of Americans, conveniently just as lots of troops arrived 'home' from overseas where they've spent the last few decades suppressing domestic populations.

I can't see anything going wrong with those policies, or how this could be a mask for a sick agenda, can you?

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We want to be charitable? We should be. But until we can force others with guns and imprisonment if they do not donate to the charities or goals we deem, nor should the government.

And yet Ron Paul is in favour of taxation, and thinks that ordinary people should have to work harder to pay off the debts incurred by banksters who under his administration would remain free to continue exactly what they are doing now.

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It is not, if government is only a means of justice and defense, as it should only be, and was in America for a time.

When?

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I think you see communism as inherent in government, and deem it the natural state of the thing. Though this is the governments perversion, which you deem as its natural state, and so of course it is impossible in your mind to reconcile that government is not capable...

I didn't say anything about Communism, though it's no surprise to see you bringing it up. You've totally misunderstood my position.

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I'm aware of all this, but I'm surprised this is what you use as evidence.

Do you know who of the military/CIA/etc donated to Paul? The servicemen, who agreed America shouldn't be the worlds Policemen.

Alternatively, those who are in favour of being paid without having to work, which under Ron Paul's 'bring the soldiers home but don't fire them' policy is exactly what would happen. In the real world, not in Ron Paul land, that is. His budget (not his rhetoric) shows that the massive military system built up through the Pentagon over the last 70 years would remain intact, it would just all be transported back to the US. Now, why would he want all those soldiers, all that equipment, back home in the US? Could it possibly be for crowd control so that when those people dependent on food stamps find that his predictions of 10% year on year growth are a fantasy and that he's systematically making them poorer start to revolt?

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Every other candidate has corporates in the actual military industrial complex and banking system as their sponsors.

You mean like IBM, Microsoft, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed Martin? Those on the list I provided?

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Look at what the man actually says.

And this is where you're going wrong. You judge a politician by what he says. I judge him by his policies. That's why you're so easily taken in by bullshit.

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Do you really think he's what they make out as? If you look at what he actually says, you will see exactly why they make him out the way they do.

Yeah! It's all a dastardly plot to make this wonderful man look bad! I've never read his actual policies, but he says things that I like! So he must be good! He must be for real! I haven't a clue what impact his policies would actually have but I like the man! Listen to what he says!

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Just one day after Ron Paul officially exited the Republican presidential race, PayPal co-founder and libertarian bankroller Peter Thiel made a quiet trip to Tampa to meet with Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and several Paul-friendly delegates, sources close to the Paul camp told Business Insider Wednesday.

According to those sources, Thiel had a private meeting with the younger Paul Wednesday morning, and later met with some of Paul's delegates at a private home in Tampa's Stoney Point neighborhood.

The meetings were not related to fundraising, one source told Business Insider, but rather to discuss "the future of the Liberty Movement," the preferred name of the conservative libertarian movement inspired in part by Ron Paul. Thiel, who recently cashed out on his Facebook investment, has donated millions to so-called Liberty candidates this election cycle, including more than $2.5 million to a SuperPAC supporting Congressman Paul's third White House bid.

Could that possibly explain Ron Paul's denunciation of the public domain and praise for data-mining spying companies like Apple and Microsoft?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=233843.0

It really doesn't take much effort to pick Ron Paul apart for what he really is - a career politician who waited until the end of his life to make a run for president on a platform that pretends to be radical when in reality it excuses the austerity politics of the day. Why has he waited until now to run for president, when he has no chance of winning? Because he's a stooge. It's the most obvious thing in the world, if only you bother to look.

Come on, you like spy shit and you can't read between the lines here? You don't even need to do that, if you read the guy.

His major sponsor is a CIA-affiliated Bilderberger who co-founded Paypal (a massive corporation and a means of money laundering) and who invested early on in the intelligence project called facebook, which in turn helped turn Ron Paul into a big name.

Ron Paul in turn published a manifesto praising the internet revolution, praising Apple for the creation of the iPad (thus appealing the to very facebook addicted crowd who worship Ron Paul, and worshipped Obama before him) thus glorifying these mega-corporations/intelligence fronts.

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All you've got is associations and what seemed to be very lazy statements against Paul's philosophies, which should very well be expounded -- to which I hope you agree, despite any 'character issues' you may have with Paul's associations.

All you've got is 'I like the guy, you're wrong' and insults.

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Even the CIA guy who spoke up for him spoke about ceasing wars, encouraging liberty, etc. How is any of this a bad thing. We get to be free if we agree, but we should fight against our freedoms because we need protection from ourselves? Really? Or 'cause the Muslims are coming'? I don't allude to know your reason, but these came to my mind.

I don't see any freedom in Ron Paul's vision of the world, or his policies. I don't care what he says in his fundraising presentations, even if you do (to the exclusion of all other information).

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By posting pictures that claim guns are less dangerous than pens and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot? That's moronic, vile garbage. Why are you doing the job of propagandists for them?

I was trying to spur discussion, posting things which may do such and which may lead to discussions I'd happily have. You seem to either want this place quiet or to be posting some kind of critique constantly (or at least, for people to be posting something you can critique rather than add to).

And you just want people to click a 'like' button.

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I'm sick of labels dude, seriously, moronic garbage how, explain your position. I could call things all sorts of things all day, but its just not interesting, and really, what the fuck can you learn from it but that? So forgive me if I ask you for some elaboration...

Pens aren't more dangerous than guns. What you posted was moronic. It was garbage because it sought to make an idiotic point in favour of an extreme side of a deeply contentious and subtle debate. Clearly you think it was an intelligent and interesting contribution, like that Jew-hating film you posted a while back...
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By posting pictures that claim guns are less dangerous than pens and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot?

Yeah, it seems as if we just happen to disagree. I'm not sure why you're so worked up. We've asked you a bunch of times to put aside the select things you're focusing on, and just address the general ethos of where we're coming from here.

Fine, you'll get your wish.

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Are we allowed to believe that guns can do some good, or are you diametrically opposed to that position? I think we've been way more flexible than you, and surely you have called us idiots more.

It is idiotic to think that something designed for writing but that can in extremis be used to kill someone is more dangerous than something specifically designed to kill people. You are not allowed to post things like that without me objecting.

That you're now playing the modest, reasonable person who doesn't think guns are amazing but just that they can do some good some of the time (having spent weeks telling me how they are the solution to the violence across the world) is ridiculous. You've not been remotely flexible, you've just jumped from position to position as I've shown what you've said to be bullshit.

But like I say, your wish is my command.
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02-07-2013, 02:53 AM (This post was last modified: 02-07-2013 03:01 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #90
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That you're now playing the modest, reasonable person who doesn't think guns are amazing but just that they can do some good some of the time (having spent weeks telling me how they are the solution to the violence across the world) is ridiculous.

I just cited a couple countries and a US state where gun bans led to a lot of violence.

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You've not been remotely flexible, you've just jumped from position to position as I've shown what you've said to be bullshit.

You said that 'Hitler' took the guns was wrong. I admit that, with the caveat that he disarmed Jewish people. One historical example is such a small part of what I'm trying to get across. You do know that, right? Do you have some other objection to all of the other things that I said, or does this all hang on some Alex Jones comment?
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02-07-2013, 10:52 PM (This post was last modified: 02-07-2013 10:53 PM by W.C..)  Post: #91
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(02-07-2013 01:07 AM)BigTom Wrote:  
(02-05-2013 05:56 PM)W.C. Wrote:  
Not at all, Lady Di loved the fella, but you seemed to allude he gained his fortune via drugs, which I don't understand, though I understand drugs would naturally change hands in a pub/club establishment, many of which he owned, and especially at that gay club.

I have it on good authority, I don't have a URL or anything.

I wouldn't imagine a URL, and I completely understand. I only wish you would extend me the same courtesy. I do take you as a good authority, so I wouldn't put it past him. But you're talking to a man who forgives Putin and Churchill in the scheme of it and as I understand it, so I don't know if it says much in me admitting that.

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Not really, no. I'm an anarchist, I think all this 'the state should be for this this and this but not for this this and this' is just trying to reform an inherently corrupt, violent organisation. Do you believe you could infiltrate the mafia and turn it into a charity?

But why would you need to? If all as individuals have equal freedoms, you be charitable to your own degree and live your life. You restrict government to justice, and social issues will remain in the public spectrum, where they should. Man taking his rightful part in his own education and governance then by necessity.

You restrict government to justice? How do you do that, if they define justice? This is idealistic in the extreme.

In common law, justice by interpretation of the law and prior determinations of such, defines justice applied by rule of collective defense and justice [government].

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Did it make you feel better? Making some kind of Reagan joke? I get it, loosely, but Paul is espousing things far before that time, and far beyond that actor (whatever intentions he may have had), no?

As far as I can tell their policies (not their rhetoric) are identical. It isn't about making me feel better, that's a cheap ad hom tactic on your part.


I didn't intend anything of the sort, I'm just sick of playing games here. I want to try and push past the game and power play shit and just talk about things, you know?

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a failed politician...

Alright, I'll stop you there.

What exactly are you trying to say or do in this bit? Are you trying to say that politics as they stand today, and our politicians whatever they represent, are to be measured on how well they can adapt to this great and current established order, irregardless of whatever immoral and self depreciating act it asks you such politicians to commit?

I'm saying that a failed politician is a bad person to look up. Despite all the compromising, despite all the crowd-pleasing rhetoric, despite the endorsement of major media organisations like RT, despite all the money from Microsoft, Boeing and the Pentagon, Ron Paul is a failure. Hence, what the hell would he know? Why even give him the time of day, when he is a man who makes a living telling people what they want to hear, taking their money and wasting it on failure. He's basically a fraudulent gambling addict.

Explain how he is a failed politician? You skip over the part I figure of uttermost importance in this discussion.

Explain how he failed. What did he fail at in his role as a politician within his power?

'Major' news organisations like RT? All the money from people who work for these companies, and who are contributing, and who gave him maybe a 1/10th if that of what the other contenders got, from the same contributors and more? Though none held his military backing but Obama, though Paul was the only preaching peace. Is it so far fetched that some employees of these companies understand and agree with Paul's reminder of liberty, and contribute to his campaign which steps towards it accordingly? Especially given the comparisons.

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...who has spent almost his entire life badmouthing the system that allows him to live extremely comfortably, is clearly trying to simply and tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion?
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That he has educated himself and invested and made precautions, whilst revoking the Congress Pension (the American peoples' tax dollar), is to be reguarded as a clear indication he is simply trying to 'tabloidise a serious issue of many millenia's worth of discussion'?

I plainly disagree. But if you need more info, just ask.

OK, you see nothing wrong with a wealthy career politician equating keeping the Pentagon but shredding the welfare state in the name of 'individual freedom'. Fine. It isn't a question of more info.


If Government is confined to justice and defense, well, what use is there in the governments role but for the pentagon [defense], etc? The government cannot have the power over welfare, as it immediately contradicts justice and defense, and government is perverted accordingly.

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In what way are they meaningless in individual hands?

Dictators through history have arisin as a result of the lack of rights in individual hands, as the state and general political 'writer' or media tend to remove themselves from humanity when writing and enacting or endorsing legislation, and assume all progressive acts to that of the dictator and legislative court rather than that of the people -- though they forget they are of the same mold. Yet they still attempt to mold the people towards their own goals and wants, and proclaim all acts the people have achieved as that of the states wise guidance.

Listen, little man!

Go fuck yourself.

'Listen, little man!' is an essay by Reich. I thought you would have got the reference, whatever play you use to justify your offence at such.

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By God/Universe-given right to you as an individual in a moral world; no one can take this from you, but our governments do despite what we desire and should have right to.

If the government is made to have no jurisdiction over associations, social and economic order, the 'permission' is made by you fulfilling your civic duty and making it as such.

It's hardly as though it is just government that infringe on people's rights. I don't believe in God or that the Universe accords rights to individuals. That's absurd. Like I say, this is just Ron Paul bashing the government and getting rich of it.

This is not 'Ron Pauls' original thought, my friend. I say God / Universe to denote you can use whatever the fuck label you want to. Though I agree with your sentiments to 'God according' rights, perhaps replace the word with individual or family or whatever. Once you get the meaning, forget the words.

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I doubt you would, to the 'justly acquired' part. But indeed on taking back the money -- although the proposal was by means of reducing taxation on ordinary people and increasing the market [thus increasing tax revenue and the economy], as opposed to chasing ghosts which you can better worry about once the countries greatest modern defence (the economy) is better stabilised.

There is no more growth. Ron Paul's budgets require something like 10% year on year growth. Where does the energy come from to fuel that sort of growth?

Let's see. A country with no income tax (among almost all others abolished), with all it's troops home and no more funding of overseas bases, and no more foreign aid; with all this extra money to create a business or produce for the soldiers when they come home, and the people already there... I think 10% would be a low estimate of growth. Do you not?

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8. Jury nullification, that is, the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, is a right of the people and the courtroom norm.

I do sorta agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with a free society.

If one is to have a collective form of justice (Government) to ensure liberty, you need people who aren't pure bureaucrats. The right to judge the law as well as the facts to me simply means 'and common sense shall prevail.'

I don't have a clue what you're on about here.

It's pretty basic. In what way? I'm tired and going to bed, but your lack of understanding here seems to explain the rest. I don't know, you're very short.
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That you're now playing the modest, reasonable person who doesn't think guns are amazing but just that they can do some good some of the time (having spent weeks telling me how they are the solution to the violence across the world) is ridiculous.

I just cited a couple countries and a US state where gun bans led to a lot of violence.

And I've cited lots and lots of dictatorships where gun bans didn't lead to lots of violence, utterly contrary to everything you've claimed.

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You've not been remotely flexible, you've just jumped from position to position as I've shown what you've said to be bullshit.

You said that 'Hitler' took the guns was wrong. I admit that, with the caveat that he disarmed Jewish people.

No you didn't, you claimed Hitler took the guns (on the basis of it being said a lot, not because you had any clue about the history of gun laws in Germany), I pointed out this wasn't true and that in fact it was the US that banned the guns in Germany, you kept harping on about the parallels between Jews in Nazi Germany and returning war vets in the US today.

You didn't concede the point at all, if you had then I wouldn't have dropped the issue, but instead you tried to move the goalposts, spin your position into something else, and then WC turned up and started insulting me.

It's pathetic.

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One historical example is such a small part of what I'm trying to get across. You do know that, right?

I pointed out that your crap about Stalin and Pol Pot was crap. Oh, and your decade-old tabloid-sourced information about crime in Britain.

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Do you have some other objection to all of the other things that I said, or does this all hang on some Alex Jones comment?

You are the one who keeps mentioning Alex Jones. My problem is with extremely partisan people entering into a debate with, it seems, the sole purpose of rendering it utterly inaccurate and stupid, and even more so with those people who claim to be critically minded sceptics just lapping it up because it fits in with their wo

 

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PostSubject: Re: Natural World Ashes    Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:15 am

rldview.

Facts are important. Like Israel not existing until decades after the Fed (itself just the latest version of the US central bank, which goes back more than a century before Israel's existence). If you just make up history then you can prove anything. If you are actually committed to truth then you can only prove some things, not anything and everything you want to be able to prove.
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It's pretty basic. In what way? I'm tired and going to bed, but your lack of understanding here seems to explain the rest. I don't know, you're very short.

I say again, go fuck yourself.
Oh, and in case you didn't know WC, RT is directly funded by one of the world's superpower governments. You don't get any more major than that...
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And I've cited lots and lots of dictatorships where gun bans didn't lead to lots of violence, utterly contrary to everything you've claimed.

Yeah, so the question becomes what should Americans do within the context of... America. You cannot deny I repeatedly tried to get you to go there, and drop the other-country stuff.

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You didn't concede the point at all, if you had then I wouldn't have dropped the issue,

No, man. That simply isn't true. I repeatedly tried to get you to move on. And then you tell me you wouldn't have dropped the issue? If that isn't a typo.. then why? This is about what's happening in America.

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but instead you tried to move the goalposts, spin your position into something else,

So your argument is that because I didn't look up German gun laws, but then there happened to be a parallel between it and veterans in America, it's unacceptable to use that argument? Fine. I concede this point to you. I shouldn't have done that. I should, given the time, research what I say better. It seems like this has really made you mad. I'm not sure what else to say other than sorry.

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I pointed out that your crap about Stalin and Pol Pot was crap. Oh, and your decade-old tabloid-sourced information about crime in Britain.

All of the dictators stuff is just one facet to the argument, but you're so focused on it you cannot seem to see that me (and FX) have repeatedly been saying, "Historical record involving dictators aside, there is these other angles." The whole reason I don't know all the specific historical facts is because I generally tend to look at the occult side of things, whereas you look at the specific historical facts. I don't know why this can't be a collaboration instead of some thing where if I make 3 history mistakes I get in trouble.

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and then WC turned up and started insulting me.

I missed that.

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It's pathetic.

I am beginning to think I really am a horrible person.
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You certainly aren't a horrible person, but for me to collaborate in something I expect people to use facts when they are available.

As I recall, I have not directly contradicted your position that, even if just for symbolically important reasons, the US people should hang onto their guns. My dispute is with the fact that almost every argument beyond that position that has been expressed both in the wider gun debate and repeated here is, to my mind, misleading. When that debate projects outwards from the US, basically portraying everywhere else as a shithole because it doesn't have guns (or isn't like the US in some other way), then that is a worldview I am very much opposed to and see as extremely dangerous. Not to mention most of the people making it have never actually left their home country. That sort of nationalistic arrogance, among a people who are trying to make a moral argument, is so foolhardy that I'm not going to bite my tongue. Just because these gung-ho idiots happen to be right about the importance of them owning guns doesn't mean I have to accept anything else that they say, or hold them up as martyrs.

The same is true of all mainstream political debate - wherever you find a true conclusion, you find some disgusting shitty values tacked on to it. Look at Nigel Farage - he offers the true conclusion that the EU is a monstrous superstate but his overall politics are borderline fascistic - it's all about getting more into bed with NATO, and locking more people up for longer periods of time in the name of security. And yet almost whenever people discuss him, all they talk about is his anti-EU stance, often to the point of heroising him, even among the same people who if you asked them about NATO they'd recognise it as the most warmongering, savage institution in the world. NATO is even worse than the EU, and yet the anti-NATO people are heroising a pro-NATO guy because he's anti-EU.

Like the dude on Star Wars said, it's a trap!
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When that debate projects outwards from the US, basically portraying everywhere else as a shithole

Yeah like Chicago, right?

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That sort of nationalistic arrogance

Says the guy sticking up for the UK with every fibre of his being. Like I said before, when was the last time you heard me correct someone about maple syrup?

You have this same 'it's not accurate' enough response about every topic. You're the historian. I'm not sure why you take it so personally. Obviously everyone who isn't a historian isn't going to be as accurate.

I don't scold you for not knowing occult things.
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One thing that has never been tried is mandatory gun carry. Chew on that 'un.
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When that debate projects outwards from the US, basically portraying everywhere else as a shithole

Yeah like Chicago, right?

Last time I checked, Chicago was within the US.

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That sort of nationalistic arrogance

Says the guy sticking up for the UK with every fibre of his being. Like I said before, when was the last time you heard me correct someone about maple syrup?

I'm not 'sticking up for the UK', I'm countering bullshit. If the gun fetishists said that France was a horribly violent country because they didn't all own handguns then I'd also be pointing out that this was bullshit. You'll notice that it's not just when the untrue thing concerns the UK that I point out that it is untrue.

It is not nationalistic arrogance to know that you don't live in a particularly violent country. Whatever the UK's problems, and whatever the moral bankruptcy of my nation's role in world affairs, it isn't a violent place. However, for someone to claim that their nation is the best when they've never seen any other, and that the solution to a problem in their own country is the solution to problems in other countries that they've never seen, visited, or know anything about, is nationalistic arrogance.

Do you see the distinction?

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You have this same 'it's not accurate' enough response about every topic. You're the historian. I'm not sure why you take it so personally. Obviously everyone who isn't a historian isn't going to be as accurate.

It isn't that 'it's not accurate enough', it's that 'it is bullshit'. Bullshit, even if it leads you to a just conclusion, is still bullshit. I take it personally because I've committed to actually knowing what I'm talking about before I open my mouth. Clearly you haven't.

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I don't scold you for not knowing occult things.

I don't make categorical proclamations about subjects you know more about than me. Indeed, I approach questions of the occult by gathering what data there is available but accepting that it isn't like a criminal or historical investigation, sooner or later you have to just take a leap. You're equating apples with oranges.
(02-10-2013 11:17 AM)pezer Wrote:  
One thing that has never been tried is mandatory gun carry. Chew on that 'un.

I think you'll find that in Switzerland it is mandatory to keep the weapon given to you as part of your military training, in a state of readiness. Not quite what you're saying, but not far off.
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Last time I checked, Chicago was within the US.

Yes. I wonder what kind of point I am trying to make.

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However, for someone to claim that their nation is the best when they've never seen any other, and that the solution to a problem in their own country is the solution to problems in other countries that they've never seen, visited, or know anything about, is nationalistic arrogance.
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Do you see the distinction?

Who are you talking about? It certainly isn't me. So... who is it? Are are you just so mad that someone called the UK violent you cannot even sort it out.

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You'll notice that it's not just when the untrue thing concerns the UK that I point out that it is untrue.

You'll notice how this whole time the things I've said that have been true (the majority of the assertions I've made), you've ignored in favor of perpetuating your anger with specific nitpicky stuff.

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Bullshit

Right..
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Man, I love knowledge. I love learning. All this programming stuff is indescribably interesting.

I've been learninng BASH, which is a scripting language for automating the command prompt. The ability to interface with a computer so intimately is a cool kind of satisfaction.

I'm running four different OSs at my place here. lol

Sometimes I just sit here and bask in the fact that there is so much to know, and how fun it all is. I wish I had more time. I hardly ever touch uppers but sometimes I wish I could just get a bottle of adderal and lock myself away for a week so I could learn a few key things. That would be sweet, lol.
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Last time I checked, Chicago was within the US.

Yes. I wonder what kind of point I am trying to make.

I have no motive to try to figure that out. If you want to make a point then make it and then I can respond.

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However, for someone to claim that their nation is the best when they've never seen any other, and that the solution to a problem in their own country is the solution to problems in other countries that they've never seen, visited, or know anything about, is nationalistic arrogance.
Who are you talking about? It certainly isn't me. So... who is it? Are are you just so mad that someone called the UK violent you cannot even sort it out.

How many fucking times: I don't identify with the UK, this is a question of accuracy and ignorant prejudice being employed to dirty up a just conclusion and to stupidify an important debate.

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You'll notice that it's not just when the untrue thing concerns the UK that I point out that it is untrue.

You'll notice how this whole time the things I've said that have been true (the majority of the assertions I've made), you've ignored in favor of perpetuating your anger with specific nitpicky stuff.

I don't think that the majority of assertions that you've made are true. That's partly why this has flared up into a bigger dispute between you and me - this isn't just about guns, it's about a whole paradigm. I agree with your conclusion within the debate, but almost everything else about this debate, how it is framed, how certain extremely partisan figures have helped to frame it, we disagree about.

Now, we can just leave that there and talk about something else. Perhaps I should have done that a week or two ago.
(02-11-2013 11:15 PM)Gobbo Wrote:  
I'm running four different OSs at my place here. lol

Are we talking computer OSs or mind OSs?

OSs. OSS. Hmmm.

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Are we talking computer OSs or mind OSs?

Computer: OSX, Windows, Fedora, and Backtrack in a virtual window.
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I've never heard of the latter two. Fedora is a great name. Presumably that's the OS of choice for private investigators...
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It's a Linux disto known for its stability. I never thought of the hat before. That is an interesting connection.
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I've never used Linux. For all I'm a internet addict and know how to fix computer mechanically, I know virtually nothing about software. I don't even know what programming languages look like.

I have no doubt that when you've learned what's necessary that you'll come up with some really innovative software. I'm a bit envious.
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Linux is cool. Just this year I've really started to learn what is possible.

It will take some time, and likely some drugs in key places. I am fearing learning C++ But I have one idea but I think could be a game changer. I am wondering if it will get invented before I can write it. I wish I could find someone trustworthy to share it with that knows how to code. I've been pondering this for a while and I think it has potential.

I'll share it with you in a PM if you are interested.
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By all means, though understand I'll be about as much use to you as a marzipan dildo.



[quote='W.C.' pid='1165' dateline='1360992879']


'...what do the socialists do? They cleverly disguise this legal plunder from others — and even from themselves — under the seductive names of fraternity, unity, organization, and association. Because we ask so little from the law — only justice — the socialists thereby assume that we reject fraternity, unity, organization, and association. The socialists brand us with the name individualist.

But we assure the socialists that we repudiate only forced organization, not natural organization. We repudiate the forms of association that are forced upon us, not free association. We repudiate forced fraternity, not true fraternity. We repudiate the artificial unity that does nothing more than deprive persons of individual responsibility. We do not repudiate the natural unity of mankind under Providence.

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.'

...

'The mission of the law is not to oppress persons and plunder them of their property, even though the law may be acting in a philanthropic spirit. Its mission is to protect persons and property.

Furthermore, it must not be said that the law may be philanthropic if, in the process, it refrains from oppressing persons and plundering them of their property; this would be a contradiction. The law cannot avoid having an effect upon persons and property; and if the law acts in any manner except to protect them, its actions then necessarily violate the liberty of persons and their right to own property.

The law is justice — simple and clear, precise and bounded. Every eye can see it, and every mind can grasp it; for justice is measurable, immutable, and unchangeable. Justice is neither more than this nor less than this. If you exceed this proper limit — if you attempt to make the law religious, fraternal, equalizing, philanthropic, industrial, literary, or artistic — you will then be lost in an uncharted territory, in vagueness and uncertainty, in a forced utopia or, even worse, in a multitude of utopias, each striving to seize the law and impose it upon you. This is true because fraternity and philanthropy, unlike justice, do not have precise limits. Once started, where will you stop? And where will the law stop itself?'

...

'...if the government undertakes to control and to raise wages, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to care for all who may be in want, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to support all unemployed workers, and cannot do it; if the government undertakes to lend interest-free money to all borrowers, and cannot do it; if, in these words that we regret to say escaped from the pen of Mr. de Lamartine, "The state considers that its purpose is to enlighten, to develop, to enlarge, to strengthen, to spiritualize, and to sanctify the soul of the people" — and if the government cannot do all of these things, what then?

Is it not certain that after every government failure — which, alas! is more than probable — there will be an equally inevitable revolution?'

...

'Law is justice. In this proposition a simple and enduring government can be conceived. And I defy anyone to say how even the thought of revolution, of insurrection, of the slightest uprising could arise against a government whose organized force was confined only to suppressing injustice.

Under such a regime, there would be the most prosperity — and it would be the most equally distributed. As for the sufferings that are inseparable from humanity, no one would even think of accusing the government for them. This is true because, if the force of government were limited to suppressing injustice, then government would be as innocent of these sufferings as it is now innocent of changes in the temperature.

As proof of this statement, consider this question: Have the people ever been known to rise against the Court of Appeals, or mob a Justice of the Peace, in order to get higher wages, free credit, tools of production, favorable tariffs, or government-created jobs? Everyone knows perfectly well that such matters are not within the jurisdiction of the Court of Appeals or a Justice of the Peace. And if government were limited to its proper functions, everyone would soon learn that these matters are not within the jurisdiction of the law itself.

But make the laws upon the principle of fraternity — proclaim that all good, and all bad, stem from the law; that the law is responsible for all individual misfortunes and all social inequalities — then the door is open to an endless succession of complaints, irritations, troubles, and revolutions.'

Bastiat.
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Listen to Alex Jones. Cannot seem to get work done. Switch to Mozart - start to get work done.
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Apparently, there are scientifically proven frequencies which serve to heal or otherwise. Jones one, Mozart another. Interesting experience, O_G.
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Yeah it's mostly his commercials. It's like they're intentionally shitty.
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Mozart is always a good choice. For really clear thinking I often play Bachs Brandenburg Concertos, though mainly in the morning. It only suits early light for me.

I fondly remember driving at 140 mph through the valleys of Bayern, Germany at six in the morning, playing Bach, holding a cup of steaming tea. The morning mist was just clearing up.
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140mph holding a cup of steaming tea?

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Fuck I want to go to Europe again. It's like a properly regulated third world.


[quote='W.C.' pid='1285' dateline='1361958180']


Li Ching-Yuen was a Chinese herbalist, martial artist and tactical advisor who lived to the ripe old age of 256 and sired 200 descendants during his life span, surviving 23 wives. Ching-Yuen lived off a diet of herbs and rice wine inculding lingzhi, goji berry, wild ginseng, he shou wu and gotu kola. In a 1930 New York Times article, Professor Wu Chung-chieh of the University of Chengdu discovered Imperial Chinese government records from 1827, congratulating one Li Ching-Yuen on his 150th birthday, and further documents later congratulating him on his 200th birthday in 1877.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen
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damn!
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What the hell is that?
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The song "Life is a Highway."
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Fav dealer is back in town.

Time to study some stuff at a local coffee shop. I recently installed Arch Linux onto my Macbook, which was a headache but now I have some 'that isn't Ubuntu' distro running - on a fucking Macbook Air. No ethernet port on that bad boy so you know that getting that all that stuff configured is not going to be easy -- OK OK I have it running in a virtual box full screen. So what? I don't need the ram. It's for text-based application.

Now when crazy PC cultists walk by they're like 'Hahah fucking loser you overpaid for your --whoa shit, Matrix'

Plus, let it be known that, really, the Mac Air (SSD one) is a fucking gorgeous creation and no one even came close to copying it for a while. By far, the best purchase I've ever made in my life. Except for maybe this stuff. 'Northern Ice.' Doesn't get more Canadian than that.



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(03-03-2013 11:24 AM)Gobbo Wrote:
The song "Life is a Highway."

That was supposed to be a rhetorical question.

I must admit, despite the very silly video it's quite a catchy tune. I do keep humming it.
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That song was huge in North America. Cochrane is kind of a one hit wonder, but he's Canadian. And yeah it's super catchy. I think that's why I just posted it out of nowhere.
"I said I was going to get to your calls but...look."
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Everyone, programmer or not, should use Vim and Git.

That is all.
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I loathe the available e-book creating freeware. But I might not need it. So it's a bad news, good news situation.
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03-10-2013, 09:07 AM Post: #129
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OK we have a decent mobile skin.

Tell me if you want 'new posts' or 'today's posts' at the top. I am trying to remove 'help' and have both options but it's actually sort of hard.
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I added an option to view all unread (to you) posts.

Still not sure how to change the links on the mobile skin.

Fucking annoying. php is getting less and less appealing.
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03-10-2013, 01:35 PM Post: #131
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The unread posts thing ftw.
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03-11-2013, 08:40 AM (This post was last modified: 03-11-2013 08:45 AM by Q.) Post: #132
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I'm tired of being called an idiot and a liar and whatnot for basically just being myself. Maybe I should be someone else, or evolve into someone else. I don't know. What I do know is I'm going to stop using Gobbo for a while and try to concentrate on improving the functionality of the site as I continue to learn programming. I feel like I need more time in my life and right now arguing on forums is the least of what I am interested in. I'll be back at some point, surely, but if you don't see Gobbo around for a while that is why. Pezer has given me a challenge for the front page so I will complete that, likely by changing the front page around a bit and maybe using a different theme, and then maybe start posting again.





[quote='BigTom' pid='1538' dateline='1362998639']
This might cheer you up, I thought it was hysterically funny.

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjsOZDjnJA[/video]
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Hahaha that was pretty funny.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I'm full up?
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Gobbo told me a while back to switch off the option that has you update old posts instead of add new ones, when you post new material. I wasn't posting as much then so I didn't listen as it didn't bother me and I left it the way it was. Now I can't find the switch. If it's a mod-thing only, can someone turn it off for me?
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03-13-2013, 09:53 PM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2013 09:53 PM by Q.) Post: #136
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k it's disabled site wide. For everyone.

If anyone prefers it the way it was let me know.
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03-15-2013, 08:01 PM Post: #137
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We're number 1 for 'Natural World Order' on google.

This is not surprising, but it wasn't always this way.
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How bout stopping eating when I'm full up?
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Awesomeness.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
lel
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I'm full up?
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indeed
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03-23-2013, 10:18 AM Post: #143
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Moreno is saying that he is having trouble getting his account activated. I tried making a test one and it worked, but he is still having trouble.

Can anyone try making an account to test this out?
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03-23-2013, 11:50 AM Post: #144
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He posted here already. I don't get it.
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He said after like three times he couldn't post here anymore.
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New Rose Hotel
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(03-23-2013 01:40 PM)pezer Wrote:
New Rose Hotel

This disturbs me.
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I'm just trying to touch the movie with my words as little as possible. Like a tab of acid.
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Oh, as long as it was you that's fine. I thought you got hacked somehow by a script.
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Great beer
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PostSubject: Re: Natural World Ashes    Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:25 am

RE: Thinking Outloud
welcome. That looks good.
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03-25-2013, 05:29 AM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2013 05:31 AM by pezer.) Post: #152
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It's kinda fucked, because I have been drinking what looks like the Montreal version of that since last night. I'd send a pic, but I ain't got that kind of technology.

http://www.theperfectlyhappyman.com/unib...n-de-dieu/

delicious, truly putting the heat on wine.

...

If you read the review, I too re-checked the 9% alcohol grade announcement with disbelief.
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This looks like fun. Though I don't think I could do it.




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I kind of stopped coming here for awhile.

I'll make more of an effort.
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04-04-2013, 06:32 AM Post: #155
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Please do. The place is a bit of a sausage factory without you.

BTW, did you accept the offer of a date from the blind chap?
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No, I didn't.

He's a very nice man, but he looks like he's closer to my mom's age than mine. I can't dig it.
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Venezuelans are Older than you. I don't know how, but I can sense this blind chap is Venezuelan. Must be seeking power beyond the age limitations of the North...
Science is found in the question "how do you know?"
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04-04-2013, 07:15 AM Post: #158
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He's not Venezuelan.
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Hmm... Maybe you're right, maybe he stopped being one a bit of a while ago.
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LoL pezer, I have to admit, I nearly never know what it is you're actually trying to say. You're very cryptic.
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Hee hee hee,

Crypticness is a philosopher's prerogative!
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I'm of the opinion that you do philosophy a disservice when you intentionally make things more difficult to understand than they need to be.
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Of course, I'm not a philosopher, so you can disregard my opinion completely.
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(04-04-2013 06:55 AM)Blurry Wrote:
No, I didn't.

He's a very nice man, but he looks like he's closer to my mom's age than mine. I can't dig it.

Fair enough, your choice to make. I was just curious, coz I've always wanted to know what it's like to bone a blindy.

To change the topic completely, I've somehow found myself in the middle of an intellectual rights argument between a former member of the European Parliament and a former FBI whistleblower on the issue of NATO's false flag terrorism. I do enjoy my life.
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(04-04-2013 02:27 PM)Blurry Wrote:
I'm of the opinion that you do philosophy a disservice when you intentionally make things more difficult to understand than they need to be.
I'm of the opinion that you are wrong. You do the unitiated a disservice - but not philosophy or philosophers. Why have philosophy cater to the plebs?
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A philosopher travels highly dangerous waters. Sometimes, cryptic is just the best he can do.
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(04-05-2013 10:55 AM)exzc Wrote:
(04-04-2013 02:27 PM)Blurry Wrote:
I'm of the opinion that you do philosophy a disservice when you intentionally make things more difficult to understand than they need to be.
I'm of the opinion that you are wrong. You do the unitiated a disservice - but not philosophy or philosophers. Why have philosophy cater to the plebs?

Philosophy is the search for answers about life, yes? Trying to figure out the things that are beyond the reaches of science, or at least have been up to now. Why are we here and what does all of it mean = philosophy. Every person who has walked this planet has asked those same questions. Why should some be excluded from the conversation and not others? If they choose to exclude themselves, that's one thing, but intentionally muddling the point in order to discourage others from joining in the conversation...I mean, there's no point to that unless you're just insecure and need to give yourself a reason to feel like you're smarter than other people.
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I agree with you, Blurry. If I keep things out, it is because they are not really philosophy, but sometimes often some old decrepit sibling, for example.

Philosophy and science... I always said that a scientist is just a philosopher who doesn't understand himself. He knows much, but has no clue what direction he is, has, or will take on a level beyond what the current fashions of science are.
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The Angels - Take a Long Line

He was selling postcards from a paper stand
A whiskey bottle in his withered hand
He put a finger on a photo from an old magazine
And saw himself in the shadow of his dream

They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown
Told him his feet stank and took him downtown
Called him agitator, spy and thief
Shut him up in solitary third degree

Take a long line
Take a long line
Take a long line, reel him in

He tried to appeal to the king of might
He said "I'm just excercising my sacred right"
The king he said "You ain't got no rights
You're a madman, a traitor, get outta my sight"

Take a long line
Take a long line
Take a long line, reel him in

They found him with his head inside a tin-pot crown
Told him his feet stank and took him downtown
Called him agitator, spy and thief
Shut him up in solitary third degree

They put him aboard a well wound whirlwind
Pulled out his teeth and told him to grin
He gave them a smile, pulled out a bottle of wine
And said "I never existed, you've been wasting your time"

Take a long line
Take a long line
Take a long line, reel him in
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I love wine!
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[quote='pezer' pid='2430' dateline='1365205873']
[Edit: the video of Gaahl was meant to be the 1st part, not 2nd. Forgive any confusions this might have engendered.]

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ46Qn0JYeg[/video]

The Law

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tAMIAOxbiU[/video]

The Objection

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wabez1Pn758[/video]

The answer of the youth.
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The youth, educated by their enemy only, provide only anti-action. Beautiful... Not enough.
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RE: Thinking Outloud
Frampton, action through flow


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Finally, after all this cryptic chasing and give and take, for the benefit of my fans.



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We can't all be Lions. Unless we smoke a lot of weed and seek to rise higher than the tribal wars.
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(04-06-2013 12:10 AM)Blurry Wrote:
Philosophy is the search for answers about life, yes? Trying to figure out the things that are beyond the reaches of science, or at least have been up to now. Why are we here and what does all of it mean = philosophy. Every person who has walked this planet has asked those same questions. Why should some be excluded from the conversation and not others? If they choose to exclude themselves, that's one thing, but intentionally muddling the point in order to discourage others from joining in the conversation...I mean, there's no point to that unless you're just insecure and need to give yourself a reason to feel like you're smarter than other people.

Philosophy is not about the answers about life, and it's not about filling in scientific gaps. That's what it became when religion made philosophy its little bitch, and now that science did the same. Philosophy, proper, is for the philosopher, the higher type. Regular people don't want philosophy. They want narratives to comfort their misery. They want to be led and they need to be cultivated. When plebs are allowed a piece of philosophy, you get a degradation of philosophy, like most of eastern and western thought with the exception of a few lucky pieces of fate.
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Fuck!, evolution is exciting...
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04-07-2013, 02:14 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2013 02:15 PM by pezer.) Post: #178
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I think exzc is on a very important stage right now. Usually, you would have gone like us, but now you have read about all, or some of your posterior stages, it's impossible to tell what will be of you.

My view is this one, and I think it resists all ages and stages: that True Philosophy is, rather, to seek questions.
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04-09-2013, 03:12 AM Post: #179
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Thatcher's dead. She is to me what Chavez is to Pezer, so I'm cracking open the bourbon.
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04-09-2013, 05:11 AM Post: #180
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Just landed a sweet new job.

But then again, working sucks.
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04-09-2013, 07:22 AM (This post was last modified: 04-09-2013 07:24 AM by Q.) Post: #181
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It's the new prose getting dough like a bakery
Even though I want to, industry still makin me
Put a some words on ice like the Maple Leafs
Easy, Van-C breezy in BC,
Undisclosed thousands for these fees
Shiiiit
Movie book and and TV,
Tom still has over me
hehe
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04-09-2013, 10:36 AM Post: #182
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Lol, holy shit Tom. I'm out of booze, but I'm lighting one up for you.

Cheers! To good enemies!!
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04-12-2013, 06:03 PM Post: #183
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I just tested something.

Within about 20 minutes if you upload something to Youtube, even if it complies with the Fair Use policy, if the owner has some sort of agreement with Youtube where Youtube will just ban it regardless, it can somehow just sense through some algorithm if the footage applies to the criteria.

It's like there is some visual marker encoded into the media such that you can scan for it, and then it's given to Youtube. I don't know how they would do this otherwise. Or at least, that seems like the obvious choice.
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04-13-2013, 03:17 AM Post: #184
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It may also depend on the title - try uploading the same clip but with a random number string as the title, no description, no nothing like that.

I've only had youtube refuse a few things that I've uploaded, even though I own the rights to hardly any of it. They refused a video version of a podcast I made with a friend about his book because I used a song that I downloaded from youtube (go figure), they never let me publish a video a friend made containing our analysis of the Olympics opening ceremony, though that's probably because it was during the olympics and I put 'olympics opening ceremony' in the title. A random sprinkling of the numerous 7/7 media clips I've put up have been identified as 'matched third party content' but they aren't being removed, and it really is random - e.g. a couple of the dozen or more clips from BBC radio London on the morning of 7/7 have been matched, but most of them haven't.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they did have the ability to not just match audio (relatively simple) but also match video content to a proscribed list of forbidden media.
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04-13-2013, 04:14 AM Post: #185
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Yea this time I didn't put anything that would be a keyword in the title. Could be the audio. That makes more sense actually.
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04-14-2013, 02:35 AM Post: #186
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One way to test if they do have video-matching abilities is to upload several different versions of the same potentially proscribed clip in different aspect ratios and the like. Or ones with no soundtrack.
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04-15-2013, 06:55 AM Post: #187
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http://naturalworldorder.org/cannabis-is...verywhere/
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Civilisation... ancient and wicked. Have you ever seen such a thing?
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(04-15-2013 06:55 AM)Q Wrote:
http://naturalworldorder.org/cannabis-is...verywhere/

Nicely written.
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04-17-2013, 03:18 AM Post: #190
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It's a very good article.

This Boston bombing stuff is utter bullshit. I can't even be bothered breaking down Alex Jones's repeated lies save to say this is yet another example of why I think he does far more harm than good.

This article amused me:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...3251.story
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04-17-2013, 11:09 AM Post: #191
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Yessss

I was hoping someone would comment.

The writer in me is happy. Which is most of me.

Ironically enough, I think the guy who I wrote it for, my friend, doesn't even want it.
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(04-17-2013 03:18 AM)BigTom Wrote:
It's a very good article.

This Boston bombing stuff is utter bullshit. I can't even be bothered breaking down Alex Jones's repeated lies save to say this is yet another example of why I think he does far more harm than good.

This article amused me:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...3251.story

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04-17-2013, 07:04 PM Post: #193
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On what happened in Boston, or Dennis Rodman, or both?
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Stop buying time. We want the truth. [Cue Jack Nickleson]
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04-17-2013, 09:33 PM Post: #195
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The truth is that Alex Jones has leapt in and tried to exploit this atrocity for his agenda/profit even faster than the government and mainstream media have. All on the basis of one guy phoning up the local news and talking about dogs.


Suckers, everyone who bought into this. You don't put bomb sniffing dogs near bombs that you're trying to keep secret. All this 'drill' stuff (and the inevitable misleading prattlings about 7/7) is, as I say, bullshit. Just the desperate attempts of a pathetic 'alternative' media to lay claim to an event and use it for their own selfish purposes.
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04-17-2013, 11:47 PM Post: #196
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Yes I just mean what do you think happened in Boston?
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04-18-2013, 12:10 AM Post: #197
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The absence of an official story suggests to me that this was an authentic terrorist attack but probably not an entirely organic one. Most likely (to my mind) is that this was a copycat inspired by the fuss made over that microwave at the Pittsburgh marathon in the summer of 2010.
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I basically don't believe in organic terror anymore. I mean any terrorist strike at this point is because the government is trying to enable attacks against itself. We've sort of reached that point where it's all the same.

The other thing I had considered is this idea of the 'undefined' threat. You know? Just have everyone in fear of phantom attacks that no one owns up to.
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That had occurred to me too - I'm not ruling out that this was fully planned government false flag, not at all. But this crap about drills is crap. It's based on one dude who describes some bomb sniffing dogs in the athletes village prior to the race, which as you might have guessed was near the start line, which as you might have guessed was 26 miles from the finish line, where the bombs went off.

Everyone heard him say this. No one payed any attention. They just took the fact he referred to an exercise and made a snap judgment. I find that utterly pathetic, insensitive and exploitative. Alex Jones deserves to fucking die.
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Lol he just might.
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ADD isn't real.
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ADD is a choice Wink.
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I'm just linking stuff. If you don't like it whatever. I don't know what you want me to say. We all know AJ is not the best source but you have to start somewhere. If you provide anything to the conversation i'll talk about your sources instead. You never do because you like to sit on your high horse and say 'its not good enough.' I don't care about this game you play.
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Plus I just don't care anymore. The states is done, obviously.. It will be on false flag after another until they submit. We don't need to get all the insignificant details right; we just need totally about it for a bit and move on, like I am trying to.

Siatd is like those people in sports that love to be the one to score as opposed to just helping along the way. Unless you say, 'yes, Siatd, you are right,' he doesn't feel line he has scored.

Man, just assume I am agreeing with you.
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If we all spent enough time researching a topic we would eventually get to the same place. We're all smart (enough). A lot of times AJ and that crew say things that SIatd brings a good counterargument for an then they actually address it. Sometimes not.

I feel like we are all passed 'belief.'
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04-20-2013, 11:23 AM (This post was last modified: 04-20-2013 11:32 AM by Q.)  Post: #217
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This is an old game with Gobbo - almost every event like this he leaps in with the Alex Jones crap and then when people point out it's bullshit he tells them to move on.

Why not move on if you've demonstrated it's bullshit? I mean, I am actually asking. Mostly I think, "Yeah that sounds more right" and then I drop it. Like I said, if you want me to write out the words, "Siatd, I agree with you on this," I can if you would like me to.

I'm unsure why what I believe matters so much to you if you and FX have already decided I am too dumb for either of you to be a part of website in an official capacity. I basically gave up most interest in talking to either of you comprehensively when I failed your test so just let me post my links. Fuck.

Plus, if you know if anyone who produces several videos a day that is a better source of BREAKING information, by all means tell me and I will not look back to Alex Jones. I can't wait around all day for these yahoos you prefer to put our their one weekly video.

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He clearly doesn't take this stuff seriously.

You have no argument for this.


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He's spent far more time in recent days fruitlessly posting Alex Jones crap on ILP than he has spent actually thinking about what he's being told.

Says the guy banned from ILP for life, reading ILP. Sometimes we all waste some time. So what? AJ is the answer for them. Something to digest that isn't the mainstream news, but still in the same format. I would get less accomplished by Corbett because that guy is so boring the only people that can stand him are basically people like you who read army documents. Not everyone is like that. As I have said before, it's less about the facts and more about just challenging people. The facts have never done anything for anyone. People just ignore them because people are idiots.
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ADD isn't real.

You know, you guys scold me for not thinking about certain things or whatever, and then you go and say shit like this. And your argument will be something like "Well how come ADD doesn't exist in poor countries?" or some thing that really is the equivalent to what I do sometimes with the news. Just not really thinking about it enough.

It is so ridiculous, more than slightly rushed journalism, that you guys think that billions of dollars would be spend on medication for something that objectively isn't real. I mean... what the fuck. I have bit my tongue about this before. Many times. I don't turn into some insano person every time someone says something that I think is wrong because of how they are getting their information. I get mad about topics that I think matter like chemtrails, orgonite, and whatnot.

Let's put it this way: in addition to ADD and OCD, I have "restless leg syndrome." Now, if you ask me if I think medication for "restless leg syndrome" is complete and total bullshit, I would say yes, because where do you draw the line? You know? But I mean, my legs shake ALL FUCKING DAY, EVERY DAY. People get annoyed by it. They ask me to stop it. It's just... it happens. I don't really care. It keeps them in shape. But it happens. ADD, OCD, these things fucking happen.

You've clearly never been in the position where you fundamentally want to your brain to do something, and it refuses to really do what you say. for you both to just make these fucking blanket assertions based on something you half heard on a blog somewhere, just like we all do from time to time.
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I evolved with
ADD
Not out of or "really without" it. I thank those masterful drug lords for coming up with a pill that helped me not flunk school. I'm glad I graduated. I don't use drugs when I don't want or need them. When I do, I do! And if you want to tell me that the effects of drugs aren't real, then you might be interested in the story

of an ancient Greek philosopher, name unremembered to me. He told his students "this physichal world is not real. I will show you: I will make that bull charge at me, because it simply doesn't exist."

The bull proceeded to tear the philosopher to pieces.
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This is, word for word, how I feel about base intelligent society.



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http://naturalworldorder.org/how-not-to-...-shootout/
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Happy belated 420 everyone, I hope you all got high as fuck.
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(04-20-2013 12:58 PM)Q Wrote:  
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ADD isn't real.

You know, you guys scold me for not thinking about certain things or whatever, and then you go and say shit like this. And your argument will be something like "Well how come ADD doesn't exist in poor countries?" or some thing that really is the equivalent to what I do sometimes with the news. Just not really thinking about it enough.

It is so ridiculous, more than slightly rushed journalism, that you guys think that billions of dollars would be spend on medication for something that objectively isn't real. I mean... what the fuck. I have bit my tongue about this before. Many times. I don't turn into some insano person every time someone says something that I think is wrong because of how they are getting their information. I get mad about topics that I think matter like chemtrails, orgonite, and whatnot.

Let's put it this way: in addition to ADD and OCD, I have "restless leg syndrome." Now, if you ask me if I think medication for "restless leg syndrome" is complete and total bullshit, I would say yes, because where do you draw the line? You know? But I mean, my legs shake ALL FUCKING DAY, EVERY DAY. People get annoyed by it. They ask me to stop it. It's just... it happens. I don't really care. It keeps them in shape. But it happens. ADD, OCD, these things fucking happen.

You've clearly never been in the position where you fundamentally want to your brain to do something, and it refuses to really do what you say. for you both to just make these fucking blanket assertions based on something you half heard on a blog somewhere, just like we all do from time to time.

Move on from ADD.
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How childish.
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Its a syndrome , which means its a collection of symptoms, unrelated to any known cause or condition. Meaning: its a type of general behavior which for all medical science knows can be caused by vastly different things. Thus, medication for it is largely superficial and some may say gamblework. That said, ritalin appears to work often enough, so there's that.

G - have you tried tango or salsa, even samba perhaps ... ?
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I've tried Adderal and it definitely makes me concentrate, but it makes me less funny. Never tried Ritalin. Basically if I was going to write a novel or something, I would I think need something like that. I write online stuff mostly because I have little to no attention for anything longer. It sucks... sometimes I wish I could just think properly.

Like I said I'm cool with not medicating. I can think well enough, and creatively. I just hate it when people make blanket statements about stuff they don't understand and then jump on me cause I wasn't using the best sources for information or whatever. It's completely hypocritical. Which is to say, we're all hypocrites from time to time but I'm just past screaming or yelling at you guys for personality aspects. It took me a while to figure it out, but I can see SIATD's main shortcoming fairly clear now.

I mean... lol... why do you think I discuss all this stuff so openly with regards to myself? I know where I fail. At least I can admit it. Even you can to a certain degree. I have never seen SIATD look critically at himself, and that is the exact problem. I think he probably does need a break from forums.

As for dancing, yes, actually me and the GF took salsa dancing lesson one time. I thought it was actually pretty fun, but I was too tall to do any of the moves (literally) so that was kind of hard to overcome. I often dance around my place here when I doing writing. I will just stop and do the robot or something. I actually dance a lot here by myself now that I think about it.
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I am going to write a blog about all of this, I think.

Anyone else out there write blogs? I like blogs.
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If I can make a recommendation based on experience, make a thing of dancing unto utter sweat drenched exhaustion.

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Dancing with sazón (like swing, but with Tabasco sauce) is very, very good for the soul. Thinking about it, it does send one into a more coherent existence, whether it is that you are no longer easily distracted or the world you build around you is now adapted to short attention spans. Life is better dancing, literally, metaphorically; any which way.

I dance alone a lot too, and do the whole kung-fu chi thing. Or I practice ghost Iaido, which is like taking all dancing and chi stuff and turning it into a single second of slicing death. Ever do ketamine? My fuck, does it release the alone-dancing self.

I got one blog that I mutilate every once in a while. Philosophyweb.wordpress.com. Btw (ADD) I am now realizing that I always give that adress with blogspot instead of wordpress... Fucking drugs.
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Btw, the accent in Spanish, just in case, denotes that that is the syllable to be stressed. Not SA-zon, but sa-ZON. The accent is asumed and silent unless it is in the last syllable and that syllable ends with an s, n or vowel; second to last and the last syllable ends in anything but s, n or a vowel; always for the third to last syllable (like "esdrújula" which is the name for the category of words with the enfasis on the third to las syllable); and always for the fourth (called sobreesdrújula).

One interesting exception I can think of (of which Spanish is considerably less riddled than French and English) is when you add the sufix "-mente" to a word, which makes it an adverb much like "-ly," in which case the accentuation of the original word pre-addition of mente is respected.
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I dance alone a lot too, and do the whole kung-fu chi thing. Or I practice ghost Iaido, which is like taking all dancing and chi stuff and turning it into a single second of slicing death.

Interesting. For me the two (dance and kungfu/chi(kung)/aikido/systema) are intertwined as well, inextricable. I can hypnotize by dance. At least I could when I often went to clubs. Since my heart was broken I've not been as fountain-like as is required to properly stir the unknown into trance. I intend to get there again, though.

For a while I had a wooden katana, and I used it to understand the draw. I have to get one again, or a steel one - I might practice it in ghost modus tonight though. But I will miss the weight, resistance, force. The intelligence of the sword, the tip, it's will. This became more real to me than I held for possible.

When I was training weng chun kung fu I got to work with the long pole. To learn the balance, the release of that type of force, I recommend it to anyone who can tap that source of the dance. It obviously revealed much about gravity and leverage, adding again more to the dance.

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I gotta get my hands on a long pole and good practicing ground. I used to practice with a nice, heavy wooden broomstick as a kid, and battle friends and family. An extra-long bo.

Ghost iaido, or I usppose any ghost weapon-use, simply relies on your memory of those weights and leverages. It is like listening to an Opera on a single piano, like they used to do.
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What's up guys and girls?
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I'm not 100% sure yet, but it's falling really fast.

I'm gonna go find myself a bunker, a telescope and some measuring equipment.

...

Actually, fuck the bunker.
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In 30 or so posts I'll be done from ILP forever.
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How did you go, OG?
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I still have a couple left. It'll be a pretty basic 'Cya, I'll be at NWO' type of post.
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Man something has been going on with my phone. It's been showing no new posts but there have been some.

I was like, "dammmnnn. Things are slow around here."
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05-09-2013, 01:26 PM  Post: #243
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I've been thinking the same thing dude. I was wondering why its so quiet, and thought the cause was maybe we're all posting elsewhere? Though this is the only forum I visit regularly right now.
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I just made my last post on ILP.

So let's have dranks here and talk and shit.
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I'm gonna make my money today, go buy some high-grade, delicious mary jane and maybe a nice wine, and we will have us a little Dionisiac celebration.

Maybe we should do the podcast thing today! Utilize this freshness feeling. Gather round a smoke circle.
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Can't do today unfortunately.
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Yeah, looks like my payday is getting deferred anyway.
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Yo Q, that's a sick rhyme.
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You probably don't want to know where it's from lol.
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Oh dear... When you dance with the devil...


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Greedy eye.
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The U.S. is holding 27,000 kidnapped people in secret prisons including thirty-two 'ghost ships' according to Reprieve Founding Director, Attorney Clive Stafford Smith.

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-hidi...nd-prisons

Bush administration's program of kidnapping "suspects," a covert operation also known as "rendition," continues under the Obama administration.

Most people kidnapped and tortured are people of color, innocent of terrorism. They are used for non-consensual human experimentation according to recent reports.

Human experimentation without consent has been prohibited in any setting since 1947, when the Nuremberg Code resultant of Nazi doctor prosecution.

"Every day, the U.S. picks up 40 - 60 people considered 'suspects' from around the world and imprisons them," stated Smith.

Non-consensual human experimentation conducted on Middle Eastern detainees has consisted of applying torture including “physical threats, mock executions, choking to the point where detainees lost consciousness and even using a stiff brush to scrub a detainees skin raw” while health officials and psychologists monitored reactions.
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'Take most people, they're crazy about cars. They worry if they get a little scratch on them, and they're always talking about how many miles they get to a gallon, and if they get a brand-new car already they start thinking about trading it in for one that's even newer. I don't even like old cars. I mean they don't even interest me. I'd rather have a goddam horse. A horse is at least human, for God's sake.'
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(05-30-2013 05:50 PM)W.C. Wrote:  
The U.S. is holding 27,000 kidnapped people in secret prisons including thirty-two 'ghost ships' according to Reprieve Founding Director, Attorney Clive Stafford Smith.

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-hidi...nd-prisons

Bush administration's program of kidnapping "suspects," a covert operation also known as "rendition," continues under the Obama administration.

Most people kidnapped and tortured are people of color, innocent of terrorism. They are used for non-consensual human experimentation according to recent reports.

Human experimentation without consent has been prohibited in any setting since 1947, when the Nuremberg Code resultant of Nazi doctor prosecution.

"Every day, the U.S. picks up 40 - 60 people considered 'suspects' from around the world and imprisons them," stated Smith.

Non-consensual human experimentation conducted on Middle Eastern detainees has consisted of applying torture including “physical threats, mock executions, choking to the point where detainees lost consciousness and even using a stiff brush to scrub a detainees skin raw” while health officials and psychologists monitored reactions.

Fucked/
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People make the mistake of thinking that the allied forces were an antithesis of the axis powers or vice-versa.
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Peer is leaving this forum because of my job. He sells porn.

Anyway, I'll prob shut this forum down.
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The lyrics in popular songs, usually with a supporting stereotypical video; repetitive, simple learnings for every new generation... Thats the first thing that came to mind when a colleague of mine posted something along the lines of this, just moments ago:
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Julia: 'Playing around with my lovely little niece while she is singing firework by Katy perry'
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http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/06/google-...ds-anyway/

On Hacker News, this has spun into a discussion of the merits of online advertising in general, and it’s a very interesting read
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PostSubject: Re: Natural World Ashes    Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:33 am

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In the wake of the Boston Bombings... that sounds too newspaperish, so I'll start over.

Hmm.

So the long and short of it is, it has been America's foreign strategic policy to generally topple the middle east, creating an army of 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters' -- What you call them being dependant on the day, and the country.

Once they clean the evidence of the Syrian rebels of using chemical agents supplied by the west (which it appears they now have), and strategically and repeatedly place the blame squarely on Assad -- as much of the west has been doing and as France and Britain more specifically are currently doing -- and once they push long enough and forcefully enough to topple Assad (whose chemical arsenal is currently being protected from use by the Russians), like a mix between present day Syria and Iraq, it will be used to funnel 'terrorists' or 'freedom fighters' to further the US agenda wherever the need arises.

Once the middle east has been toppled, the Chechen mountains are the gateway to Russia, Europe and beyond (beyond, considering America's stated focus has shifted to the Asia-Pacific). Funneling terrorists or freedom fighters through these channels will cause strategic and mass destabilization. Destabilizing nations which threaten the 'prominence' of the US is and has apparently been a workable foreign policy for the US for some time.

But now something very curious occurred. Back when America told Russia that the Chechen rebels are more 'freedom fighters' than 'terrorists,' it obviously soured relations with Russia. America pursuing its policy of promoting terrorists as freedom fighters has again now caused problems for the US. The biggest being, if public opinion declares the Chechen freedom fighters as terrorists, what is America to do? Their strategy into Russia is suddenly compromised.

It is no coincidence the media is bellowing out now that these brothers acted alone -- The US must protect the image of its Chechen freedom fighters at all costs. We will see more reports of this bring drilled into the populace in the weeks and months to come.

Whoever was behind the bombings, whether it was the brothers alone or whatnot, the Chechen's are now on the map as potential terrorists -- very much to America's disappointment. Now Russia has potentially scored a major strategic windfall against American foreign policy and its strategic vision for the coming years.

It's been a very intriguing game of chess so far. But this is my analysis, which I should have probably attached a thousand links to, though they really aren't too hard to find.
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I'll be looking closely at what the RT network does. If they maneuver this right...
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RT is but one relatively new and small arm, a part of Russia's 'information war' funding. I generally like their plays, but they obviously still have a way to go compete with the global western media front.
(or is it the global media front of the west?)

Putin and Lavrov are the main strategists here. I read that Russia, with its history of meticulously chronicling foreign politicians for the much loved use of 'dirt' on people, obtained Obama's fabled birth certificate and such prior to him becoming president.

Sway like that might help explain why Obama quietly and strangely backed off the US missile defence system that was headed for Poland and the Ukraine. It may also help explain why companies Putin had major shares in were bailed out.

In America itself though, it looks like they've got a hard on for this whole domestic terrorist thing despite the Chechen freedom fighter / terrorist debacle. Pressure cooker bombs practically anyone can make? Two nationalised terrorists? Congress and the President signing into law the ability for US Politicians to insider trade?

Everyone in America seems to be set to be labelled a terrorist of some kind, even the damned Congress. What next, Obama is made an interim 'Commander in Chief' or whatever colourful language they utilise or twist to make 'dictator' sound better?

Ok, I'm all over the place it seems. Chess can be like that though.
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Nah, Obama is a Straw Man. If you asked me, I would say I think he believes in himself (the fool). That might also be part of the strategy, also like that can be chess...

I like Russian politics though, man. There's this magnificent Putin quote: "Whoever doesn't miss the Soviet Union has no heart; whoever wants it back has no brain." I tend to have the idea, though, that all real struggles occur at the level of lowly governments climbing to the top tiers, and that all conflict at top tier level is, at this point, mostly flowery war.
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Ugh, ok.
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This is an interesting theory.

But I take it to mean that it points to the Russians, and also that this 'we are against Russia' business as something more than just something for the public to play with.

I am unsure: who here thinks that Russia is actually the 'enemy?
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I just think of Russia as the financiers of one of the few major news networks I like, when I hate their politics behind them I still enjoy it. Like I've said before, I think any government organization of that size isn't really in it to risk, aka wage real war.
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Didn't they produce rap news?
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The idea the Russia can be compromised now stems from an old belief - Russia as irrational, faithful, delusional. Clearly men this can not be applied to modern Russia now. First of all Putin is a realpolitiker. He knows that the assets of Russia are vast. He will not have them compromised at the cost of Russia. He is a philosopher in this sense, the truther.

Putins incapacity to portray himself heroically and officially at once betrays his love of Russia - his capacity is greater than he is, he is only the spearhead of the KGB.

The war is KGB CIA. But CIA has opposition from within the system it rules, KGB only has "Russia".
Apparently being Russian is a more powerful feeling. America must become greater, more "Zdibidzje".
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04-26-2013, 05:19 AM Post: #11
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It's an inbalance that the US has with every single other empiric culture of today: it's the only one going through its first wave proper. There is no tradition of US traditionalism that isn't being built right now and for the past 100 or so years. Before that, they were just an English extension.

Even the language of US English is notably childish and... Well... It seems dumb, too fresh. I think this will prove to be one of the US's greatest assets, and has. It is able to export because it is so light.

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(04-24-2013 10:27 AM)Q Wrote:
But I take it to mean that it points to the Russians, and also that this 'we are against Russia' business as something more than just something for the public to play with.

One has to remember that countries such as Russia and China stand as major obstacles for any seeking Global Dominance. This is the reason the Russian and Chinese governments will always be fighting 'freedom fighters' etc, on their soil, but never 'terroists,' according to the West. This is why Russia and China always seem to violate human rights and human right laws, whereas in the West it's all fighting-for-freedom, and laws for security and safety.

That said, is it really a surprise that with China set to surpass the US economically, America's focus has turned to the Asia-Pacific? America of course being the main 'tool' of the Rothchild/NATO group.

There is no reason for Russia to be the 'enemy' in the publics eyes, but they must be seen by the public as illegitimate, as a 'regime' along with China -- For they are obstacles to Global Governance and must be fall in one way or another.

Romney had it correct when he said Russia is the enemy -- The enemy to Global Governance. He left that part out, but one can imagine him either intentionally placing the thought he did into the public sphere, or dim-wittedly allowing it to slip. But this is miniscule, and really neither here nor there, but for how well Putin jumped on it.

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The idea the Russia can be compromised now stems from an old belief - Russia as irrational, faithful, delusional. Clearly men this can not be applied to modern Russia now.


Here I would add a Godfather quote, probably paraphrased to some extent by my memory: 'If history has taught us anything, it's that you can kill anyone.'

If anyone can be killed, anyone can be compromised. Venezuela's Chavez didn't setup as well as Putin, and as a result the West jumped on it, and may wrangle the country into the Western spehere yet.

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First of all Putin is a realpolitiker. He knows that the assets of Russia are vast. He will not have them compromised at the cost of Russia. He is a philosopher in this sense, the truther.

Agreed. Putin is one hell of a character. Sure, Churchill crossed the floor twice, but Putin managed to change the laws to not only become President again, but to become President for an extended 6-year term. He cemented his dictatorship over Russia, but it appears to be quite well intended.

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Putins incapacity to portray himself heroically and officially at once betrays his love of Russia - his capacity is greater than he is, he is only the spearhead of the KGB.


Being KGB veteran back in the day helped Putin with contacts and an understanding of the going-ons of the world, and being appointed to head up the FSB by Yeltsin certainly helped Putin along his way. But Putin, shortly after becoming President and decreeing that the FSB is under his / 'The President's' direct control, pretty much cemented his dictatorship.

Yeltsin is a confusing figure. He joined the Club of Rome after his stint as President of Russia, but he pretty much gave up the Russian throne to Putin, or set him up to take the thone. Putin was also notably considering not taking up the FSB leadership Yeltsin offered, before he eventually did with some, what would imagine to be, cunning stipulations.

The circumstances of Putin's rise to dictatorship are interesting too though. The Soviet Union went bust, and were left as practically a third world nation with a rotting, disorganised military and economy. The time was absolutely ripe for the West to cement some kind of a hold over the new Democratic Russia, much like they've been trying to do with Venezuela, et al. But Russia is different can of fish.

Instead of the West being able to cement their position and hold over Russia, they have had to deal with a massively growing Russia who is actually looking out for itself. They have to deal with a Russia who is working towards opening new trade routes from China through Russia and into Europe and beyond which would make the pair the two biggest economic players on the scene in the coming years.

Russia quickly learns lessons too. Already they're heavily claming down and removing these NGO's that the West use to create West-backed opposition in foreign countries. They're promoting free-markets, increasing transparency and decreasing corruption in the government -- The opposite of what America is doing.

Now, Russia's military is building up to a respectable position and organisation level again.

All this due largely to a quick witted realpoliticker, as you aptly call him, who became a temporary dictator to protect Russia from the West. How this will end up after he is gone, I wonder.

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The war is KGB CIA. But CIA has opposition from within the system it rules, KGB only has "Russia".
Apparently being Russian is a more powerful feeling. America must become greater, more "Zdibidzje".

The war as I understand it is the West (Rothchild/NATO territory), the Middle East (Conflicted Islamist / Rothchild/NATO territory), Russia (Putin/Russian Elite Territory) and China (Princeling/Chinese Elite Territory). The rest of the world tends to fall under one of these banners in some way or another, partly or wholely, and each of course have elements of the others within themselves, just to make it all more fun and interesting for those playing at home.

I get the feeling you describe about Russia. America had that once, but they seem to have been uhm, feminized, for lack of a better word.
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04-26-2013, 09:38 PM (This post was last modified: 04-26-2013 09:39 PM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #13
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One thing I notice about Russia and it's power is that its of all the powers I've studied the most elusive and plain weird. You can see it in the fighting style of the Spetsnaz (the part they allow us to see), if you compare that to, say, the Israeli and American branches.

Systema works with psychic attacks, they have remote gun-disarming techniques, ways of glancing to make you fall down, their training involves standing naked in the Siberian snow for hours on end and lying on ant-hills. They simply go to every extreme they can think of, no matter whether it seems realistic or practical to 'normal people'. Russians are definitely not normal, and this is why everyone always miscalculates with them. Churchill realized this apparently when he called the Kremlin "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma".

The possible key, Russian national interest, that he saw, is not actually a key if you realize that Russian national interest quite simply implies the relative weakness of its competitors.

What also helps is that they stopped spreading themselves thin. They learned lessons from the failure of the USSR, lessons that the USA is still in the process of learning. And these lessons are also known, probably learned 6000 years ago, to the Chinese. They only invade neighboring states.

About Jeltsin, that man didn't seem to actually pulling the strings at the end, as he is said to have been too drunk to know what was happening around him. In the end he signed a document that allowed the head of FSB to basically the same executive level as himself, and from that moment on the path was free for the whole security/intelligence apparatus to take over control. Putin happened to be the guy within the apparatus who could make that a political reality.


Russian political tactics are often as unpredictable as unassailable, never subtle and yet incredibly sly.

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We have all known it for a while: today's inheritors of the Godfather are the Russians, not the Italians. The Godfather was not a criminal, at least not in the anarchist sense.


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Lol, this is a very fun subject.
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What do you mean by the post before that one? The godfather thing.
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05-04-2013, 05:22 PM Post: #17
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I mean that the Russians have that spirit of manly insinuation of business and force as a unity that becomes political. The Italians kinda lost it with the rest of their part of Europe, but the Godfatherism works well within proudly corrupt systems ofgovernment... The Italians are like the US and Canada: ashamed of it. They have the mafioso structures, but they are really culturally no different from gangs in any West-European or American country.

That video with Sarkozy speaking all Mafioso is proof: the Godfather effect is contagious on an instinctual, testosterony level.
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Gotcha
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Pezer, I would not say they lost it, their politics is still patriarchal. Berlusconi, close friend of Putin and other remarkable despots like Ghadaffi, has been replaced with a strong politician, someone who has fought wars and led the communist party to greatness. France is sinking to its knees, which then again is a very French thing to do I suppose, under the circumstances - someone has to give up, say enough this time their yielding to the burden of statehood in a capitalist world will isolate the Germans rather than give them the Atlantic coast and America. This time their weakness is the Germans weakness as well. Europe is a wicked cauldron.
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05-05-2013, 08:38 AM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2013 08:39 AM by pezer.) Post: #20
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The Italians et al like the kind of guys that are abusive about Mafia power, like the guy in the first movie that puts out a hit on the godfather. They aren't political about it in the sense that politics means to find an absolute middle-ground which is agreed upon and respected until new political action is needed.
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Also, as soon as Mikey takes over, it is like that guy taking over. The Godfather spirit isn't really to be found after Papa retires. I claim it is to be found off camera, in Russia.
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RE: Russia: Powerful Strategic Move, or Very Lucky
"In 10 Years Israel will not exist."

[size=x-small]- Kissinger, on Israel[/size]

An official presidential motorcade is now travelling from Damascus on the Damascus-Homs motorway, with all the roadside lights off
- #SYRIA #Damascus: Strange odors throughout the capital city are causing runny eyes and coughing
- Members of Assad's inner circle fleeing to Beirut with the lights of #Damascus-Beirut road power off completely, activists say #Israel
- According to Syrian activists, the Israeli Airstrike targeted the following locations:
- 105th Brigade (Republican Guard)
- 104th Brigade
- Missile Brigade (Qasioun Mount)
- Arms Depot (Qasioun Mount)
- Jamraya Scientific Research Centre
- Defense Factories near the town of Hameh.
- One location near the premises of the Fourth Division in Qudsaya.
- Arms Depot for the Fourth Division in Qudasya.
- Scud Missile base between the towns of Ma’arbeh and al-Tal.

- Radio_FreeSyria unconfirmed reports Assad ordered forces to mobilise in Golan Hts-set to declare war on Israel
- According to an Israeli channel, Israel has officially cancelled all schools/day jobs tomorrow in case #Syria decides to attack Tel Aviv.
- @AlArab_Qatar Israeli channel ten confirms that 12 raids took place in #Syria #damascus and its suburbs

- Israel's Channel 10 is reporting a loss of contact with two Israeli warplanes over Syria #damascus

- Interfax news agency: Russian naval ships move at this time of the Black Sea in the direction of the Syrian port of Tartus

Russia already got 6 warships off Syria/Israel, and 6 more are coming.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20130501/180939020/In-a-First-a-Russian-Warship-...

Russia currently has six ships in the Mediterranean, including the Azov, which made frequent trips to the region before, calling at the Russian resupply base in the Syrian city of Tartus.

Another six ships of the Pacific Fleet are on the way to the Mediterranean and expected to join the task force later this month.
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You may not have like Joe Rogan before, but you will after watching this.

Be fore you do, let me tell you that I have seen a flying, rotating disc in my life, far off in the distance, at about the speed of a fast plane but at a higher altitude, as it seemed. Another guy with a decent camera who was casually photographing some other shit caught it, and I'm posting it after the Rogan interview. Weather ballon? The apparent size and roundyness of it might suggest yes, but the constant rate of rotation and travel made that seem highly unlikely. That is all I know about UFOs.

Now you can watch this and avoid all straw-men directed at me, oh casual on-looker.

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVLv5eg4Xg&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/video]

This is what I saw. I was somewhat closer to it, closer to the South end of the Montreal Island. I saw it facing South, so it makes sense. (Terrebone is on the North end of Montreal).

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaG4D5671hc[/video]

As I said, I know 0% beyond these images, other than having seen it moving.
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This is an interesting talk.
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03-25-2013, 08:42 AM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2013 08:45 AM by JSS.) Post: #4
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Can I be the first to call it? Bullshit.

I have already explained how this works. In that film, you have a 2 hour infomercial of an MD selling another film concerning fake physics and society (and not the first time - "extra dimensional space travel via coherent thought"??). And his evidence besides him being the well known unquestionable altruistic intellencia that all MD's are know to be, is a list of creditable politically tied witnesses telling him that they are not allow to know what "those other people" are doing. And from that he surmises that space aliens are visiting Earth, as are you to surmise.

You then get into the whole debate concerning space aliens. And what are you not talking about? Perhaps what "those other people are really doing"?

Behind one way mirrors, Science grows exponentially and soon, "one cannot distinguish Science from magic"... or space aliens.
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Hell, fair enough. That's why I made such a wordy intro. I just know what I know.

The value of the interview is more in Rogan's reaction to this guy.
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Yeah, I appreciated his stance... calling it without being too out and out insulting about it.
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That too... I mean, it's cool to watch someone be able to deny a crazy theory without discarding it can be sane under other circumstances.

Still, what I really dug was Rogan's ramblings on the imagination, politics, and the human condition in general.

The Alien thing I had to harp on, because it would be disingenuous of me to offer this video without making clear my own stance on UFO's.
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This becomes meaningless so quickly. That's why I don't usually do too much with aliens.

Whether they are created but the government, or whether they came here from another dimension, if the science is so far advanced that they have man-made replicant-type species, then there are aliens, they're just man-made, but if the men that are making them are so far beyond our paradigm of understanding, then those men are effectively aliens anyways.

It's all fine and dandy to repeat what you are, JSS, but besides you pointing it out the first time, it doesn't do us much good. Do you know for sure he has never seen (what is to him) an alien species? These people are not all brainwashed, and they are not all actors. I think everyone is getting played. There probably are aliens things out there, and that is probably used to cover up stargates to Mars, and that is probably covering up something else.

You make it sound like aliens is a cover up for something else, or a couple other things, and then that's it. It's, I imagine, way more complex than that. We've probably already reached the edge of understanding and we're all living in a virtual reality.
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"We've probably already reached the edge of understanding and we're all living in a virtual reality. "

Oh... so far.... Oh so very far!

"Am I... dead?"

"Far from it..."

We are still the apes Nietzsche was talking about. There are still miles and miles of empty that we have been ignoring for milennia.
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Sure. This time around...





 

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I would like to post this in hopes that it can help confirm or illuminate things for someone else. However, I think most people aren't on this particular wavelength. Not that they are superior or inferior to it, it's just not in their common range.

I believe it all started with a group of rodent-like animals on a far away planet. They were animal spirits, all linked together mentally. On their own they were not even smarter than a human, but their group mind was fairly smart. They tried to add new other animals to the group, to give them safety and also empower the collective mind. Then some smart assed demonic type beings decided they wanted to eat all the animals on this distant spiritual planet. So then came combat. The rodent-like animals were not very good at fighting. They tried to retreat. Some of them got defeated, either partially or fully, and were dragged into slave drone bodies. One of those slave drone bodies was my own, before awakening. The rodents evolved themselves and made new allies, especially being helped by a small amount of benevolent lord-like beings. When they went back to save the lost members of their society, they went inside me, and pulled some out, aswel as trying to save the good parts of myself. Our existences diverged. I was no longer a religious human drone soul. I felt different. I felt my form had changed. I wanted to fight my infection. I wanted to know the truth.

Allot happened. I started to practice psionics and magic. I met people with gifts and knowledge. I made friends. Things started to become more clear. Allot happened. I can't list it all. For quite some time I was doing meditations and energy manipulation all day. I do it almost all day now. If that counts for anything, I've put in my hours. I wasn't obsessed, I just wanted to progress in this field as much as I could, instead of using all my time on tv and games.

Now I am one with these rodents. I've had dreams of them. I call them cytomorphs. I have my human side too. But it's combined with all the things I've acquired. In my dreams I usually expect to have a certain set of cyborg type powers. In some dreams I have these powers. I also have a lich/undead quality at times. I've tried to splice and filter in allot of qualities from spirits and from the dead.

I have now allot of evidence that this is real. One of the biggest evidences I feel that I have is people who can feel the astral as if it were physical. People with tactile energy senses. I can send an astral clone to them, then touch their shoulder, and ask them online where they feel anything, and they say they feel something on their shoulder. That is just one example. I feel that tactile senses can't be "frontloaded". Maybe a bit, but usually not. I've experienced all sorts of confirmations though. These all gave me faith in my spirit and my future.

My specie wants to evolve as fast as possible. We want to become more wise, more fast, more intelligent, more strong and have better defense.

The world's sciences are based on the lower bodily senses, not on the rare higher psychic senses. If science was based on uncommon sensitivity, it would only be possible for a minority of people to be scientists. But as things are now, anyone can do it, and anyone can see it. This isn't bad, but it's limited.

Every day I am so happy to be able to practice my meditations and focused acts. I want to be in the spirit realm forever when I die. I have so many spirit friends and creations. I look forward to dieing. But I know that my body wants to live, and I must respect that. So I will live as long as I can on earth. While I'm here, it's nice to find people with similar interests.

To a 'normal' person this may all sound crazy, but I think normality is crazy itself.
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You talk about dying a lot, Danny boy.

Interesting story.

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RE: A long story
I try to embrace natural death as-well-as life. That way I'm not afraid, because living in fear isn't a good thing. I try not to be afraid of anything. The worst that can happen is I die. But that isn't bad. So the worst possibilities in life aren't so bad. I also try to live with very little aversion. I try to not feel bad if I sense demons for example. I just try to embrace the good side of everything. Allot of fiends aren't as evil as they think they are. Also we can all change if we just get the right info.
Also I just got confirmation from 2 people that my efforts in collecting tree and coral spirits has been a success. I integrated them with myself to help them evolve faster and protect them. Besides this I also made friends with some of the oldest near earth water elementals which look like giant prehistoric fish. I plan to protect them all and when I die I will take them with me inside of me. Thanks to the ability to make dimensional pockets I can store almost any size and amount of things inside of my soul.




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http://www.albanyqigong.com/images/Inner...actice.pdf

Try it.
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'Hawwwww'

I tried all of them (and felt something) but this one in particular reminds me of the sound of a digeree do.

Interesting stuff. It reminds me of this link, from CBS work - the guy who created the Cloud Buster.

http://www.whale.to/b/cb34.html
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RE: Qi Gong 5 elements healing cycle
The thing that really impressed me was the whole comprehensive mediation -- the keep in focus the organ, the color, the element, the emotional state and produce the sound. And sort of let the shift into the next state occur "as it comes", which of course requires a rather substantial feat of concentration, given that one has to have all these next properties actively waiting "on the side of the mind".

It becomes a challenge for the mind, which is good - that is when occultism starts to work properly. I think that this is when the organism begin to release energy out of mass, as I am now discussing with James in the RM thread.



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Wilhelm Reich and the Self
Since Gobbo introduced me to orgonite, I've been fascinated by Reich, but not actually read his books. His invention / discovery of technical means to gather prana, along with the spirit emanating from his name and face, has been enough until now. Now, readiing through some quotes from the internet, I am impressed with the passionate zeal to liberate man from the petty traits that I have been fighting by means of philosophy, logic. Some quotes, taken from here, to offer an impression.

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"It is the fate of great achievements, born from a way of life that sets truth before security, to be gobbled up by you and excreted in the form of shit. For centuries great, brave, lonely men have been telling you what to do. Time and again you have corrupted, diminished and demolished their teachings; time and again you have been captivated by their weakest points, taken not the great truth, but some trifling error as your guiding principal. This, little man, is what you have done with Christianity, with the doctrine of sovereign people, with socialism, with everything you touch. Why, you ask, do you do this? I don't believe you really want an answer. When you hear the truth you'll cry bloody murder, or commit it. … Every one of your acts of smallness and meanness throws light on the boundless wretchedness of the human animal. 'Why so tragic?' you ask. 'Do you feel responsible for all evil?' With remarks like that you condemn yourself. If, little man among millions, you were to shoulder the barest fraction of your responsibility, the world would be a very different place. Your great friends wouldn't perish, struck down by your smallness.”

“Build your house on granite. By granite I mean your nature that you are torturing to death, the love in your child's body, your wife's dream of love, your own dream of life when you were sixteen. Exchange your illusions for a bit of truth. Throw out your politicians and diplomats! Take your destiny into your own hands and build your life on rock. Forget about your neighbor and look inside yourself! Your neighbor, too, will be grateful. Tell you're fellow workers all over the world that you're no longer willing to work for death but only for life. Instead of flocking to executions and shouting hurrah, hurrah, make a law for the protection of human life and its blessings. Such a law will be part of the granite foundation your house rests on. Protect your small children's love against the assaults of lascivious, frustrated men and women. Stop the mouth of the malignant old maid; expose her publicly or send her to a reform school instead of young people who are longing for love. Don;t try to outdo your exploiter in exploitation if you have a chance to become a boss. Throw away your swallowtails and top hat, and stop applying for a license to embrace your woman. Join forces with your kind in all countries; they are like you, for better or worse. Let your child grow up as nature (or 'God') intended. Don't try to improve on nature. Learn to understand it and protect it. Go to the library instead of the prize fight, go to foreign countries rather than to Coney Island. And first and foremost, think straight, trust the quiet inner voice inside you that tells you what to do. You hold your life in your hands, don't entrust it to anyone else, least of all to your chosen leaders. BE YOURSELF! Any number of great men have told you that.”

“For twenty-five years I've been speaking and writing in defense of your right to happiness in this world, condemning your inability to take what is your due, to secure what you won in bloody battles on the barricades of Paris and Vienna, in the American Civil War, in the Russian Revolution. Your Paris ended with Petain and Laval, your Vienna with Hitler, your Russia with Stalin, and your America may well end in the rule of the Ku Klux Klan! You've been more successful in winning your freedom than in securing it for yourself and others. This I knew long ago. What I did not understand was why time and again, after fighting your way out of a swamp, you sank into a worse one. Then groping and cautiously looking about me, I gradually found out what has enslaved you: YOUR SLAVE DRIVER IS YOU YOURSELF. No one is to blame for your slavery but you yourself. No one else, I say!"

- Wilhelm Reich, Listen, Little Man!

I do not exactly agree with Reich on the capitalized sentence. I think that the slave driver comes into existence by the failure to be a self. To be a slave in the psychological sense means to not be a core conscious, an active perspective, to not be the standard of ones values. I think that this is what constitutes a self. And a thing can not be blamed for its own absence.

The slave-driver is simply the collective of outward valuing forces, determinators, signifiers, compellers, indeed drivers, to which the aggregate of instinct that calls itself an individual but is in fact at best a quasi-entity, is subject, and to which it contributes in force anonymously, automatically, without adding anything new, essential, to it. The person who dissolves in the mob, who finds momentary release from the painful remnants of his self in being temporarily captured by a collective spirit (provided by a match, a war, a church) and is then confronted with an even greater pain of an even deeper advanced disintegration.

Closer and closer such a being comes to non-entity, the more it suffers, the more it loathes what remains of it, as it increasingly reminds it of what is missing.

As long as there is pain, this process is reversible. As long as there is pain there is a systemic coherence in the organism, which can be relied upon to rebuild the conscious entity. But this is not always desirable. There is a type of human that finds release in knowing itself definitely to belong to a world of pain and forgetfulness. I have a certain respect for humans who have truly lost themselves in a hive-mind, and no longer pretend to be individuals. It is a different species altogether, and thus not a corrupting influence of the species to the corrupting elements of which Reich is speaking.

This is a spontaneous thought, inspired by some reading on /b/, to which our project here is in a sense, to my mind at least, an antithesis, but not an enemy. I have given up the idea that all humans should be individuals. It is rather important that those who want to engage in the struggle to become individuals be given the means to do so. And that those who don't are left free to shed responsibility, on the condition that they forfeit their right to it.

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12-05-2012, 09:49 AM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2012 09:51 AM by Gobbo.)  Post: #2
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RE: Wilhelm Reich and the Self
Well what I find most interesting is that the path to becoming an individual ultimately leads you to a similar 'collective' destination. I have never felt so connected to everything as the years where I was actively gifting, which lent itself to more meditation and whatnot. It was not a hive-mind connectedness, and there are obvious (desirable) differences between the two, but the similarities are there nonetheless. I think we all yearn for the collective, and as autonomous as we are in words, the fact that we feel this need to discuss all of this online is something to be said as well.

One of the main reasons I try not to entertain people's requests for me to send them some is that the majority of the benefit that you get from orgonite is found in the process of making it. It is an event where you focus quite a bit of energy into something that, by nature of the fact that it's has a 'real' (that is, verifiable by science) effect, becomes talismanic even more so in the mind of the creator.

The first piece that I made, it felt kind of like a feeling I would get when I used to game, where I unlocked an equipment slot that I couldn't use before. A trinket slot or whatever. I felt like I had just stepped into a new paradigm and the sky was the limit—or rather the target, as it were.

Orgonite is sticks and stones compared to what can be done. It's just an example of the science in action.

There are sites where people use radionics (electric machine orgone) for 'dark' purposes, and also obvious government examples like cellphone towers. However, it's certainly possible to use it in the same way for the purpose of self-growth and benefit to others as well. There's so much (public) work to be done with this science. It's really quite exciting. I think if I was more an engineer type I would have made some 'machines' by now.
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12-05-2012, 10:16 AM (This post was last modified: 12-05-2012 10:18 AM by Fixed Cross.)  Post: #3
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RE: Wilhelm Reich and the Self
Making orgonite myself is certainly something that I would like to do. I have so far just ordered it from the site you linked me to back then, orgoniseafrica.com. Could you post instructions on how to make it at some point?

And yes we are as living beings dependent on other living beings. This tendency differs in degrees, I would almost say as the dove differs from the eagle - and vulture - as the deer differs from the wolf. When we posit the hive mind against the philosopher this spectrum is stretched even further. But even Nietzsche loved his friends - even if he knew he could not live to know them because they would be born a century later. We and connect and group in part because it satisfied a social need, in part because it allows us to accomplish aims - such as in the case of Nietzsche, and myself. Emotionally I feel most alive when I am alone, with the obvious exceptions. It is not easy to be alone in this world, though. That is why I do seek good company - the company of independent minds. I can not even function at all in groups of more than four people. Values become to dispersed, compromised. In greater company I need to be either silent or command, direct. It is this directive quality, and the awareness of its existence as a necessity for order, that I sense is increasingly lacking in this world.


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This is the one I used when I was learning. It's kind of dated and the first part repeats, but I figured I would post it for historical representation. (Plus Sensei is the man)

I'll find some other ones.
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RE: Wilhelm Reich and the Self
This is incredibly awesome.

Gobbo wrote:

flash(425,350)]http://www.youtube.com/v/dqw7z2JJ-w4[/flash]

Sensei made my powerwand, which I recommend for anyone who is going to get serious.

http://www.warriormatrix.com/about5550.html&sid=bd92fed34418de03c86be234a29a92bf




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RE: Wilhelm Reich and the Self
Orgone I believe is one of the physical elements of a more spiritual type. However I believe that the physical universe is partially made of protoconsciousness. Google dr emoto or youtube search for him. Water is largely effected by what it is exposed to, even if it is exposed to words and ideas. Some people only take it that water has this quality. I believe all matter has this quality. In psioncs we call it programming when we condition an energy or material. In orgonite, the minerals do the work for you. Especially the quartz. You can do similar things to energy with your mind and body, but the mind and body get tired. Meanwhile, a well made piece of orgonite never gets tired. Its qualities and programming keep working all the time. So to boost yourself, you can wear a pendant or whatever. Talismans and sigils have an effect similar to thought and words on what they are written on. The principals of this mechanism are in the occult knowledge across many areas. "Science" not understanding this was not entirely an accident. Science is cencored. It's corrupted too. Not allot, but it is.
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12-28-2012, 02:11 AM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2012 02:12 AM by Fixed Cross.)  Post: #9
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One reason why science can not observe the working of orgonite is that it no longer works with optical lenses but with electronic ones. Because of this the living element of micro-being can not be seen and only the dead electricity is observed. So whereas it is beyond question that science is steered in directions and away from things because of economical agenedas, it is also often weakening in one field to grow stronger in another.

Science departs from certain axioms that exclude possibilities for the ''sea of conscious energy'' that is a common understanding in many of the more serious doctrines that have emerged throughout history. This is one of the reasons why I am very happy with value ontology, as it enables modern science and the more ''living'' types of understanding to go hand in hand, as it re-interprets the scientific axioms of attraction and entropy. See the post The Creative Tyranny.


 

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