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PostSubject: Thoughts and glue   Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:56 am

What holds thoughts together at the "bottom" of cognition is a kind of sticky glue, something that normally holds them next to each other in a seeming continuity, but can actually be pulled apart. You see the residue clinging to each separate thought, if you do this.

When you pull the thoughts apart like this and look at the darkness underneath them, through the residue of the glue strands, what you see is raw affect. Basically this is just primal feeling, the sort of intense and undifferentiated emotional state and comes over us when the fight or flight response takes over, when we are confronted with abject fear, for instance. Cognition is suspended temporarily and thoughts form a kind of waterfall-effect in slow motion, and the feeling's raw power dominates the psyche for a while. (But when we deliberately pull apart the thoughts and look into this darkness underneath, we are not controlled by its power but maintain a nice objectivity to it.)

The rawness is what lurks underneath these thoughts. Above the base level there is no real glue, or rather the glue is just the actual logical (semantic and grammatical) consistencies which arise derivatively from thoughts with respect to each other. Emotions help to smooth this process, and here the emotions are refined and "tame", not visceral.

It's funny to watch even intelligent people when they approach the glue-limit. They can do nothing but bark and howl irrelevancies and insanity to stave off the need to apply enough effort to pull the glue apart and look underneath. It would seem that there is nothing rational at all about the way the base of cognition is constructed, despite how the upper echelons of this cognition do seem to attain a great degree of rationality and logical coherence.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts and glue   Sat May 30, 2015 3:32 pm

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What holds thoughts together at the "bottom" of cognition is a kind of sticky glue, something that normally holds them next to each other in a seeming continuity, but can actually be pulled apart. You see the residue clinging to each separate thought, if you do this.

When you pull the thoughts apart like this and look at the darkness underneath them, through the residue of the glue strands, what you see is raw affect. Basically this is just primal feeling, the sort of intense and undifferentiated emotional state and comes over us when the fight or flight response takes over, when we are confronted with abject fear, for instance. Cognition is suspended temporarily and thoughts form a kind of waterfall-effect in slow motion, and the feeling's raw power dominates the psyche for a while. (But when we deliberately pull apart the thoughts and look into this darkness underneath, we are not controlled by its power but maintain a nice objectivity to it.)

The rawness is what lurks underneath these thoughts. Above the base level there is no real glue, or rather the glue is just the actual logical (semantic and grammatical) consistencies which arise derivatively from thoughts with respect to each other. Emotions help to smooth this process, and here the emotions are refined and "tame", not visceral.

It's funny to watch even intelligent people when they approach the glue-limit. They can do nothing but bark and howl irrelevancies and insanity to stave off the need to apply enough effort to pull the glue apart and look underneath. It would seem that there is nothing rational at all about the way the base of cognition is constructed, despite how the upper echelons of this cognition do seem to attain a great degree of rationality and logical coherence.

So the glue could be seen as resistance and the pulling it apart could be the beginning of acceptance, or embracing the reality of things. Just to open this up.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts and glue   Sat May 30, 2015 4:49 pm

Yes, I know this glue from the deepest of meditations. Is there a greater liberation than to engage this glue with all ones fire and minerals and tear it apart? Those avalaches of new born consciousness that result, that is my paradise. The best ripping art is born from it like vapor from a waterfall, or like the rainbows when the sun hits these vapors. Yet that tearing apart the glue itself is so much greater even - but it is too raw and dense and subterranean to be "beauty". I think the waterfall metaphor is good because the place where the glue is torn feels like the place where a waterfall hits the water surface and rips through it and then churns in extatic awareness of its own density, which is its true world. The density of birth.

 

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