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PostSubject: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:43 am

In order to understand arabs, they must first be humanized, and in order to be humanized, their religion has to be humanized.

First, let us admit one thing: it is a much more energizing religion than its sister Christianity, much more life-affirming.

Let us consider the mosques: the predominant color, usually the color of the walls is green. How noble is that? Then let us look at their symbol: the moon itself. The crescent moon. I don't need to explain to any spiritual minds or acid droppers how powerful that is, how femininely powerful. But why, then subjugate women? Precicely for an adoration of their power. Burkkas don't hide out of shame, but out of worship. Women aren't weaker, but precicely inmensely more powerful.

Now the ugly part, which it shares with Christianity and still does in a more touching way: enter a mosque. Turn from its green walls to its bare interior: allmighty God. Yes... But let us look at how they worship: they don't call this God the god of weakness: everything rather is weak next to him. Nothing stands in the way between an arab and his complete Islam, submission to God.

In short: a bastardization of beauty, but a touchingly honest one.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:58 pm

And yet Islam produces such intellectual hollowness with such a relentless efficiency.
Christianity is beautiful because it allows man to think God. He has to wonder: how come this poor man who was tortured is god? This is its strength, the hidden "Greekness" of it. The worship of the martyr is all plebeian and ugly, but the question of man and god, of what the fundamental difference is, this is a question which creates strength "out of nothing", it creates resilience, it creates pride. The Christian mind is infinitely prouder than the muslim mind. The muslim is, and I've seen this in their eyes many times, fearful and infinitely respectful of philosophy, because it is forbidden explicitly by his prophet, and yet he sees that his prophet was a philosopher, and that philosophers (thus jews and christians to him) rule the world. And as much as he is afraid to admit it, he has his doubts about the 72 virgins.

What is best about islam is how it makes you weep like a 15 year old girl. It is a religion that is best fit to 15 year old girls. Beyond that age, a girl should discover Venus or Freya, or an actually feminine moon Goddess, Diana or the Magdalene, Astarte, Lilith - these are all means to make life understandable in the ways that it can not be made rational. Islam is merely a constant postponing of justification, and a constant life in expectation of a never arriving Christmas, pardon, explanation.

No, Islam is not noble at all. It is haunting, and it has beauties, but it is the functional antithesis to honesty, responsibility and self-respect, and the innocence that this creates in people has its prettiness and its endearingness, but it is only something I would wish on my enemies and sex-slaves.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:07 pm

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In order to understand arabs, they must first be humanized, and in order to be humanized, their religion has to be humanized.

First, let us admit one thing: it is a much more energizing religion than its sister Christianity, much more life-affirming.

This is just very untrue. I've traveled through several Islamic countries an they are all fucking depressed an lethargic, producing perhaps 30 books a year, all about the same mind numbingly lame subject.

The degree to which Arabs are life-affirming is the degree to which they defy their religion.

German Chancellor and Greece-torment Angela Merkel is now, wittingly or unwittingly, serving as an example to millions of muslims of how a non-Islamic woman can be infinitely superior, in the moral sense, to all the Islamic men in any capacity of power. This discourse is taking hold of the Syrian refugees now. This is 'glad tidings', regardless of how it will play out.

In order to humanize the Arabs, in as far as this is our task, we need to offer them a way out of their religion, which many of them violently hate. Imagine hating something you fear hating more than you fear anything. No, not life giving at all, rather a giant psychological choke-hold.

If only their god would reveal his might in the favor of his devotees, there would be some silver lining. But of course any self-respecting god only loves the people who give him honors, not those who bring shame upon themselves by being the worlds retarded child.

Alexander was the true founder of philosophical Islam; what Alexander planted in Asia was taken up by the best of Mohammedans, until the Koran was taken so seriously that it made it impossible to take seriously anything truly serious.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:21 pm

Well... It WAS born in the desert. But they have incredible asthetics, and an appreciation of the mistery and power in woman, which christianity effaces.

Indeed, it is their submission that tumbles them. But I do find that honest in contrast to how it tumbels christians: they are life affirming in that their horribly excessive god (absolute, as with the Father) is Great.

All just a missinvestment of greatness, they would probably be the most beautiful culture if they reinvested. If nothing else, their lack of thought and evolution promises incredible potential.

And let us not forget, inasfar as Alexander was one of the few true human gods, that he was a rapist.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:51 pm

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Well... It WAS born in the desert. But they have incredible asthetics, and an appreciation of the mistery and power in woman, which christianity effaces/

Indeed, it is their submission that tumbles them. But I do find that honest in contrast to how it tumbels christians: they are life affirming in that their horribly excessive god (absolute, as with the Father) is Great.

All just a missinvestment of greatness, they would probably be the most beautiful culture if they reinvested. If nothing else, their lack of thought and evolution promises incredible potential.

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they parted from one another, the old man and Zarathustra,
laughing like schoolboys.

When Zarathustra was alone, however, he said to his heart:
"Could it be possible! This old saint in the forest hath not yet
heard of it, that God is dead!"

No, they will never be able to reinvest under god. That age is dead, my friend.

When I once prayed to "America" in the same way as I had prayed to the desert god who had me mindlessly empty myself in tears like a sponge is being squeezed dry, that is to say with my head below my hara, a fiery feminine force pulled me up by my head and stood me erect, face to the sky, a crackling thunder-fire of love in my wide open heart. This happened consistently. It's a matter of how one wishes to self-value. All of it can be experienced as good, but what does it lead to? Islam led me to a strangely savage state of momentum, but it took me to paths filled with shadowy humans and deep sicknesses. It is like the drug MDMA. It is too easy, and it leads to hangovers so existential that it can count as partial lobotomy. An ideal like "The United States" radiates/commands an emotional effect that produces will and courage rather than mere brazen-ness. America is "Jesus flaming sword", I realize now.

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And let us not forget, inasfar as Alexander was one of the few true human gods, that he was a rapist.

In as far as he thought himself worthy of godly destiny, he was savage to begin with. But he was savage in a savage world, this was his destiny, to rough up the savages with culture. This is also how I like to see philosophy in this day.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:03 pm

Not under God!

My, my. No, no.

I understand the wounds. I come both from Romans and Arabs. Maybe my familiarity with it leads me to treat the death of God as a given among scholars.

And it is inpossible for me to reproach one like Alexander. I simply want to iluminate the traumatic dimension of Alexander worship that may have contributed to muslims acting like 15 year old girls.

(Heh, a friend once told me I'd make a good philosopher as a lawyer. Gods save me. Reading a tribunal process of the young Simon Bolivar.)

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:10 pm

If I see an important difference between christians and muslims, it is that christians ran their path and want to die now as spirit, while muslims have been arested from running anything and cannot be allowed to die under God but to reform (re form) without him.

We have harvested from Christianity, but we have not harvested from the Crescent moon with the green background.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:13 pm

The how is not yet clear, I just want to understand them.

An Arab scholar... Imagine such a thing! It would be... Beyond cool.

It's just that self-rape they do!

Maybe you're right, maybe something like a German discipline, but it seems to me that Germans already have enough of their own problems right now. Maybe not. You prescribe, I diagnose, in this case.

That is, a doctor cannot hate the patient!

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:24 pm

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Not under God!

My, my. No, no.

I understand the wounds. I come both from Romans and Arabs. Maybe my familiarity with it leads me to treat the death of God as a given among scholars.

And it is inpossible for me to reproach one like Alexander. I simply want to iluminate the traumatic dimension of Alexander worship that may have contributed to muslims acting like 15 year old girls.

(Heh, a friend once told me I'd make a good philosopher as a lawyer. Gods save me. Reading a tribunal process of the young Simon Bolivar.)

If there's anyone I'd trust to convert the muslims to a worthy version of their faith, it's you. I also work on the premise that the death of god is a given among scholars, but your optimism about Islam made me realize that the message is perhaps meant for this century rather than the last one. Don't underestimate that these people actually believe all that stuff.

What I mean by the 15 year old girl image is that this is the sort of person that could be justified believing such nonsense in exchange for such emotional coziness. For men it's not healthy at all (even though it is very satisfying to get your fix, it wears off quicker and quicker, having no mental, creative substance) and for grown women it is only healthy in the sense of feeling like a 15 year old girl.

The irony of muslim women is what makes them so powerful; their knowledge that beneath it all, the religion can't stop men from wanting to suck a physical breast. It's very infantile and thus women are in charge, when they're not being burnt down by the sheer force of brutish stupidity men can enact when void of creative... 'structure'.  

Alexander... it's just so strange and beautiful that someone like that had the chance to live and enact so purely that lofty dream that all boys have to an extent.  Mohammed is beautiful in a similar sense but to a far lesser degree.  
When I was in Mycenae, the city of Atreus, I bought a darkened amulet with a relief I, not being worth much as a classicist, took to be of Apollon. Last week Sauwelios looked at it and instantly recognized, by a rams horn, that it was Alexander. It was the day I had been posting about the movie. In some sense he is becoming more relevant.

He is to my eyes the cleanest of conquerors, because he was the embodiment of ruling passion guided by reason, the guidance itself a passion for reason - he is the proof that philosophy can become political and thereby surpass itself: Alexander walked beyond where Aristotle thought the world would end. That's always been the definitive argument for politics ever since.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:32 pm

Well, let's use the ubermensch thing. Alexander wasn't really a philosopher, was he? Ptolomy was much more of one from what I hear. Alexander had a passion for philosophy, a will to live it. He was the justification of philosophy thus far.

I see that as the importance of philosophy: imagine a million Alexanders, with philosophy a million times more developped.

I would like to see that image.

Anyway, I often feel more like a Moor than a Spaniard. And if arabs can shoot the shit, it is only proof of the supreme overconfidence they have pent-up behind that silly submission (product of a double rape?).

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:47 pm

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The how is not yet clear, I just want to understand them.

An Arab scholar... Imagine such a thing! It would be... Beyond cool.

About a third of this city is Arab, plenty of scholars, and I tell you, it's not as cool as you think it is. The time where the scholar stands far enough from religious bigotry to be (as a rule) cool as a scholar are centuries away in this life the hypocrisy will be unimaginably ugly and I won't get involved in the thick of it.

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It's just that self-rape they do!

Which is also imposing on their childrens spiritual futures. That's just it: the religion offers no conception of futurality, because it rejects the unknown.

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Maybe you're right, maybe something like a German discipline, but it seems to me that Germans already have enough of their own problems right now. Maybe not. You prescribe, I diagnose, in this case.

That is, a doctor cannot hate the patient!

"Hate the sin, not he sinner."
(don't worry, I am laughing)

I love the Arab as he is coming out of his, or her religion. But not as a scholar. It is a fiery type and very much able to shoot the shit, and to be friend. A mentally stable Arab will use his religion to warn his friends to do the right thing when he worries about them. He will use it in passing reference. But such occurs mostly in the west, where there is counterbalance to the infinite potential for void that such a false absolute offers. In Arabia, the numbing of the religion is enforced by the chants that come five times a day from the tower. Intoxicating, the sunset, the rise of the metal songs of sorrow: much passion, but prescribed passion, and it is not possible to live a life of reason under these conditions. That is after all why these conditions were designed.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:59 pm

Once again, we agree. Maybe I have a tendency to universality, but scholar with religion, at least post-abrahamic religion, platonic mysticism and even deified tyranny, is not really scholar.

I mean scholars. Imagine that. Arabs free of the Islam God. It would be so crazy cool that even Europeans don't dare imagine it.

I get it. It's an effective tyranny. But... Fuck em. Maybe we'll rape them yet again. Maybe they somehow get to see their potential in power distribution. How does the Islam God die? Maybe as it is doing now: pure islamic rule.

Maybe that's why we don't dare imagine: the violence this entails is unimaginable. I had a trip once... But anyway, drastic Gods call for drastic measures? Troubling, I'll admit. Maybe Sawelios can will it. No offence, just a gedankenexperiment.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:23 pm

I guess I can't do right by God and by the Devil, if Francis, then ISIL.

Fuck that. I don't know how yet, but fuck that.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:04 pm

Maybe an art movement could get the ball rolling. Anyway, not much to be done on our end except understand the illness and maybe recognize the beauty. There is nobility there, somewhere.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A little about Islam   Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:14 pm

I see it more cataclysmic and chemical, so far still, before there is an actual opening, a chemistry directly into islam. But what I see is this: the west is the envy of the world but also its contempt. If it ceases to be its contempt, it will be such an envy that islam will be one of the first things to crumble. Now how I see this happening is two fold: in the coming centuries, China expanding in the east will convince the people in the muslim world that they prefer the Christian west to the absolutely alien world of intellectual hygiene, China and even India. Those worlds are just far too unyielding in terms of their passions. Arabs are Semites, near-Easterners, they are not actual Asians, they don't have the stomach for that. So the rise of China marks, it is written in Arabic somewhere, the end of days, because it is the end of the possibility to hide from logic. The west is always far more forgiving toward foolishness.

"The West is the best. Get here, we'll do the rest."

We are so far beyond them, nine hundred years of awakening at the least. We are absolute Gods in Paris. In the sense of the intellect as a phenomenon unto itself. Muslims do not know this principle. Fear prevents it from coming into being. It is subtle, one must be drunk, impassioned by earthly life for a very long time on end for it to dare to take root, to trust. The French have done this for us, and before them the Greeks. And Alexander gave Asia the chance of getting there, but indeed, it is the desert we're talking about. Alexander stranded in India because he had nothing he could teach them. Alexanders counterpart was Osho, the seducer from the East, Zorba the Buddha.

 

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