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PostSubject: Monopoly money   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:35 pm

Monopoly money

What is Monopoly money and what is not I.e. what has real worth even relatively so, and what is produced from that.


…and is the current capitalist model simply not adaptable enough.

Example; the banker provides a mortgage for a house, the buyer pays that back + interest, the product has been paid for and more beyond that. the banker provides a mortgage for a house the buyer pays that back + interest, the product had already been paid for + interest and now more interest.
Rinse and repeat

Once a product has been paid for why cant it be passed on for free, or why isn’t the money available socially?

I recently looked into starting a business in my village with an investor, the sheer cost of rental made it impossible. The cost of making businesses and that everyone are always trying to extract the maximum amount of money for their skills or products, means that less businesses and premises are handed down.

So should the banks provide? Or the govt utilise banks to that end [nationalise them].

I find it is increasingly the case that we are getting less and less stuff, we used to have a café, shop, fish n chip shop and post office in the village, now we just have a shop.

Should monopoly money be socialised? Why not just provide! More stuff = more jobs and further production of wealth.

Where does the city get its money? Does it not deal with mostly monopoly money? How does it belong to them and why shouldn’t it be socialised.

The banks went bust we bailed them out, yet we don’t own them?

Bla bla you get the picture; instead of selfishness upon no basis, why shouldn’t profit be socialised?
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PostSubject: Re: Monopoly money   Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:11 am

quetz wrote:
why shouldn’t profit be socialised?
For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.
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PostSubject: Re: Monopoly money   Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:37 pm

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For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.

Which are the slaves, the moneylenders or those who ‘earn’ a living?

don’t get me wrong I think every facet of the equation should gain, my philosophical point concerns ownership. If we considered wealth ultimately to be shared, then what is gained from another endeavours would be socialised.

Another point is that I’d prefer to live in a world where there are no powerful people, states or other institutions. If we socialise money the above cannot occur.
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PostSubject: Re: Monopoly money   Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:56 pm

quetz wrote:
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For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.

Which are the slaves, the moneylenders or those who ‘earn’ a living?

don’t get me wrong I think every facet of the equation should gain, my philosophical point concerns ownership. If we considered wealth ultimately to be shared, then what is gained from another endeavours would be socialised.

Another point is that I’d prefer to live in a world where there are no powerful people, states or other institutions. If we socialise money the above cannot occur.

We must be able to see deeply into two differing and seemingly opposed perspectives here: on the one hand, that those who "earn a living" in some well-off manner do so not merely by their own virtues or "the sweat of their labor" but rather are products of various external and internal conditionings, large and small, psychological and social, familial and economic. That no one, not a single person has ever been successful of his own right and merit, but relies to a very large extent on the environmental conditions which more or less allow for and guarantee the fruits he enjoys from his work. And on the other hand, that to appropriate/socialize profit and profitability is to a certain extent to disincentivize productivity itself, since a large part of the inspiration for productive work lies in the personal gains to be had from this.

These two perspectives do not entirely disallow their opposites, of course - for instance, it is also the case that the individual him or herself can certainly "take some credit" for his or her successes, just as it is the case that socializing profit does not entirely do away with various motivations and incentives to produce and work. So a properly subtle understanding situates each of these perspectives within a certain domain or continuum-like position.

Next, we can effect a certain attempt at synthesis here, but this requires that we firstly and more strongly affirm the value/s upon which this synthesis is based. What is it that we wish to gain, to inspire or further through attempting to reconceive the economic and social bases of life? How far does our vision gather, and toward what end/s? In combination with this vision, we would place the above-stated more comprehensive and honest understanding of the various perspectives on economic/productive/social relations and conditions. From such a possibility might perhaps come a more potent insight into how best to conceive anew these various factors and conditions of life.

 

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