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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:54 pm

And for my own convenience, I wanted to note that my description of the second stage of capital absorption where monpolization begins, mirrors Braudel's understanding.


[Braudel argued that capitalists have typically been monopolists and not, as is usually assumed, entrepreneurs operating in competitive markets. He argued that capitalists did not specialize and did not use free markets, thus diverging from both liberal (Adam Smith) and Marxian interpretations. In Braudel's view, the state in capitalist countries has served as a guarantor of monopolists rather than a protector of competition, as it is usually portrayed. He asserted that capitalists have had power and cunning on their side as they have arrayed themselves against the majority of the population.[22] ]



This second stage I will then start calling "Braudelian capitalism". The first is as I pointed out similar to Lenin's view of it.

The state gets involved in the second stage in a way similar to what Braudel describes, then in the third stage states enter into the international banking system based on debt, with the US at the center, allowing the current globalist regime to put itself in place. The understanding of capital going through certain definite stages of state-absorption is integral.


This three-stage mechanism is on top of a centuries long process in which capitalism got to the point that the first stage could be initiated. European feudal society was based in a redistribution of wealth and resources, but in America a transformation took place: the central redistribution involved, not "capital" generally conceived, not goods and resources in the abstract, but rather, surplus-value. Hence our slave plantations; the idea was to get more value than is required to feed the given industry. But this surplus-value thereby produced tends to only pass through social strata in the respective society producing it, creating a wealth disparity between not so much classes of people as geographical regions, until it can no longer be exported in order to generate value from the host society's true capital: (hence the capital is lost to the process of state-absorption) slave labor created certain things, then those things were transferred to the North where slaves could not prove profitable, where the surplus-value could not be created. Eventually, the surplus-value accumulates in the form of a wealth disparity between, in this case, the Northern and Southern US: that caused the civil war. But leading up to WW1, this stalling of the capital-absorption took place on a much larger scale, as I've gone over: in Lenin's language, the surplus-value could not be effectively exported, and from that economic destabilization, WW1 began. Then the second stage, Braudelian capitalism, took effect, stalled, and brought on WW2.

In this second stage, the State gets involved as Braudel says. But for a different reason. The State must make sure that surplus-value does not stagnate in a disparity between social strata and remains exportable. Monpolization begins. Once that failed, an international banking system was created in order to ensure the exportability of surplus-value: through egregious unpayable national debts between those countries participating in the globalized system. As long as the terrific debts hold, surplus-value keeps being created and exported between nations, thereby generating value from the true capital holdings of those states, preventing the capital from being lost to the ongoing state-absorption. And it is this third stage that is now ending, or stalling rather.


So you really have to clearly separate certain ideas in this: value, surplus-value, [began in the first stage in America, ie. slave-labor and plantations] exportable value, [what is needed to generate value from a state's actual capital- without it, capital becomes useless and economic destabilization begins] capital, [land, resources, etc.] capital-absorption, [began in the second stage with Braudelian monopolization] and state-absorption of capital. [ie. tertiary capital proper, also the fundamental mechanism driving the three stages from behind: the process whereby the State gains utilization over actual capital, a nation's resources. Reaches its peak in the globalist banking system around national debts.]

This is the force behind the global-state, behind globalism, the full relinquishing of the world's capital to the State's control. This process can be broken right now, when it is weakest. If Clinton loses anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:40 pm

Also, how did the State intervene to help monopolization in the second stage?


Taxation. Complicate the tax codes and make it so that very rich people at the head of companies alone can afford to hire the legions of lawyers necessary to negotiate a lesser tax burden with the State, while the common man cannot do so, he can't afford to pay for the legal expertise. The common man will continue to lose out while the companies concentrate more wealth. That is a big way this monopolization is given assistance by the State.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:25 pm

The tertiary stage will finally rearrange the whole human scheme into a pyramid, if we give it a few nudges at the pressure points you identify. VO can provide the means to the means of applying the pressure, Capable may be able to produce the direct means, the math that the Germans must come to adopt. The thing to replace nano banking, which is the ionosphere that keeps the globalist molecule together, is a system of growth of wealth that exceeds the old slow Saturnian harvest cycles and allows for the turbo charged profiting that our times titan Uranus requires - the technocratic fruit-squeezer in service of which the third world operates, but instead of expanding that third world by producing essentially worthless products, reducing it by producing worthy items. In the purest most Greek sense, new architecture, new cities.

Human deserts are the philosophers gold mine.

Hence the funk.

Meditate on this ideal Cultivation of the 'earth-molecule', a term Pezer haphazardly produced last year, and now rejects somewhat - it is however the self-creative poesis-genius identified by value ontology that forges such concepts. The earth molecule, to which the blood wants to stick.

[.....T]he cauldron that Europe is, has been, and likely will continue to be. The continent was never intended as a whole like the US is, and for it to become a whole it would have to be entirely free in its diversity, whole upholding a few basic common values, which I reckon must be values of 'madness'; look for fucks sake at all the Europeans of some worth; have not all of them been violently mad, and madly violent?

We will reseek and refind ourselves instinctually in Rome; many of us hope for a full scale attack from the muslims. The fundamental right of a European thus far has been to fight to the death for his values. The way the wars were ended put a stop to that, but not to the instinct.

Instinct is what always determines the outcomes of war. Why the naxis lost, is because they did not have instinct, but only intellect. The French had instinct, De Gaulle ws purely instinctive. Churchill acted on instinct and so did Stalin. FDR swooped in at the right moment and claimed victory, but it wasnt balls on his part, but calculation. That is not European.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:56 pm

Also properly consider this force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOS1SFt2VbM

Incidentally, this was shot during the second month of BTL - the first one I was in Vienna.

But I consider all of my travels in an ontological light.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:27 pm

What I expect is that Europe is actually the locus of the tertiary stage, the axis Italy - Scandinavia, running through Switzerland, France, Germany the Netherlands, England and Scotland. A rather inscrutable axis of industrial property has embedded itself there in the geography, and at the plexus of it is CERN.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:47 am

What I'm expressing or trying to, Parodites, is that by the very act of identifying this dynamic as you have, which is an astonishing feat, you have created or at least identified the possibility of anticipating such collapse in a philosophical framework - which I do in all fairness happen to have ready just for such a crisis point.
Sauwelios and I have long been speculating on the collapse of Europe, and some very fertile ideas have come up. But I am most interested now in seeing more of this triadic dynamic explicated.

I am almost tempted to go and read Plato with a greater seriousness -

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:06 am

Parodites wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0heBdYF04

TOPKEK

Breathtaking actually. A new thing.

Does this reconcile in any way with what you once titled speculative ethics?

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:47 am

This whole system I am outlining, it's not completely abstract. It is happening right now. Over the course of weeks and days, so my abstraction is responding in real time rather than to something written 1,000 years ago. So bringing my own philosophy, anti-dialectic, speculative ethics, the daemon, into the system is a gradual process.


Indeed as I pointed out, the current regime is preparing to transfer the tertiary capital from the US to Europe, before they sink America and Clinton wins, bringing us into the same statist order that reigns in Europe. They will enlarge the left voter base by immigration also, crushing all possible peaceful rebellion to the global state going forward. Then the current system can endure, with the hub of the tertiary stage reorganized somewhere in Europe, their Cern project among other things would help.


If Trump wins, this transfer will not be allowed to happen, and the third stage will stall as the former two did, bringing on the world conflict I envision, along with the transition from the current political axis into the entirely new one I have conceived.


This election is the last one that matters: if you want the last man, vote Clinton; rebirth, vote Trump. I don't think many truly understand the gravity of this election, what is at risk. Trump is an expression of the political breakdown in the old axis- he himself is an avatar pushed on top of all the bubbles. He was in the right place at the right time to seize this movement that he himself did not create. A centuries long process, this tertiary mechanism that has brought us into the great wars and the myth of ideology, which has governed the formation of nations and society for generations- is culminating in its victory over the human spirit or in its defeat, in a matter of weeks.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:04 am

Today marks the new Hebrew year, the year of all this culmination: 5,777.

Obvious playground for numerologists.

Check em trips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYFj8SnG98

Triple digits is a sign of good luck.


kek, I just realized I was viewer number 7,555 of that video.

KEK VULT; SIC ERIT.

On 4chan with posts related to Donald Trump and KEK, the cases of double and triple digit post numbers (randomly assigned) started skyrocketing, dubs and trips being a sought after prestige there indicating good tidings.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:46 am

Those in power who are now trying to intentionally sink the US economy and vote in Clinton, preparing for the transfer of tertiary capital to Europe and counting on Trump's defeat, are making a big mistake- even if Trump fails. Even with what you said about Europe, I doubt that Europe will be able to sustain the tertiary stage and become the new hegemon after the US self destructs under Clinton. I don't think China or Russia can. Obviously the fucking Middle East can't. So if Trump fails, we will actually have something worse than the victory of the global state over human spirit and merely the last man: what will happen is, the tertiary capital will not merely stall but collapse entirely, hegemonization will reverse, the world conflict will continue to escalate until it reaches nuclear war, and humanity will face a 1000 year dark age taking us back to feudal society only with nuclear fallout. If we do not succeed, if Trump fails, then the third war will be the last, and the three stage mechanism does not stall- it reverses, and human history with it. Humanity cannot survive in a feudal arrangement with nuclear fallout.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:30 pm

And one thing about everyone's favorite, good ol' Dolfy.


The people using the image of Hitler in memes and whatnot- they are not actually Nazis. They are using his image the same way that Satanists use Satan's image, that is, ironically; they are using him as a kind of archetypal rebel figure, who stood up against the de-humanization of machine and technology, but also against the dehumanization through the Church, drawing on older more purely "Aryan" religions in the pre-history before the rise of Christianity, and fought both the communists and the capitalists, and who, in the end, was struck down by a kind of grand conspiracy of world powers and thrown into the abyss of historical condemnation like God disposed of Satan. The idea that Hitler was simply a psychotic maniac who wanted to kill Jews and a lot of the German population were also psychotic maniacs who brought him into power- is stupid. Hitler fulfilled a historical function, namely- attempting a third political project to compete with communism and capitalism: the third path opened and he quite simply- walked down it. That path went nowhere. He lost. He lost, and after the German population was decimated by war (that our own country helped initiate) and were cannibalizing themselves to escape starvation, after he had a nervous breakdown and ordered the destruction of all his own factories and industry to deny them to the enemy, he had the Jews he imprisoned originally for deportation physically exterminated and thus committed the atrocities that we now foolishly take were the cause of the Reich's formation- they were actually the result of its defeat.  Hitler tried to unplug Germany from the globalization of the world (because it was having a disastrous impact on Germany's economy and sovereign rights as a nation-state, the same way it's having a disastrous impact on America, the Treaty being one of many damages incurred) and re-create an independent state neither communistic or capitalistic: he was, as the Russians are now, in my axis- an anti-globalist pro-statist nationalist. He tried to unplug Germany from the spider-web of world powers, and those world powers, including the US, attacked. I'm as anti-statist as they come and reject the political intention behind the Reich, (not the anti-globalism though) plus I reject its theoretical underpinning in the Heideggarian de-struktion of Christianity, but I analyze historical figures and events, not in terms of good and evil, but in terms of what function they fulfilled. I don't give a shit if he was evil or good, that doesn't help us understand anything. All I want to know is what his historical function was.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:32 pm

I started out, as grandson to a butchered Jewess, my Nietzschean studies by trying to identify with the nazis as deeply as I felt I needed to to see where it all came from. The factors you describe were dominant, and Hitler did first make numerous attempts to deport the Jews to Madagascar and other far away places, and even considered Palestine. But none of these lands would take them.

The result of WWII was that the Jews, after thousands of years, got their country back. As a Nietzschean, I am compelled to say that the sacrifice at least is very far from having been for nothing - unlike most genocidal sacrifices. The advantsage of Israel over a great Ottoman-Saudi-Persian world is obviously not entirely unambiguous, but I believe in the historical arc that the Jews carried is of vital philosophical importance; I want that the temple be rebuilt - so as to include the Mosque on its main plateau.




Kissinger and Brzezinski

I'm interested in the reason why Kissinger, about four years back, predicted that Israel would no longer exist ten or twenty years from then. I recommend his book World Order, he has grown subtle, and always ways the most subtle statesman. He is the opposite of the Obama/Hillary camp, is the one who has restored contact with China under Nixon, is the sovereign advocate of a balance of power, rather than globalism. Kissinger is, I think, very much a Jeffersonian of the Nuclear age; that is to say a Jeffersonian forced to think in terms of preemptive interventions. The other East-European high up in DC is Brzezinski, the essential Globalist, whose strategy is destabilization, destruction, scorched Earth method. He has been the dominant force of the Clinton/Bush/Obama  line. That is to say the post-cold war US. He got this power by creating the Taliban and so having a large stake in ending the USSR. He could definitely be praised for this on some terms - he should be affirmed at least, as much as Hitler and any butcher that can not be undone - we have to work with the consequences.



Nietzsche and the USA

We have to affirm that we are standing on the shoulders of genocidal men - we have to affirm this precisely because we want the mass-killing to end. There is a machine, of which Clinton is a function, that she can not help but obey, that needs to be brought under control. Trump can do this. Only a man with very many legitimate and illegitimate powers in his pocket can influence the course of this machine.

When this process, which is the alternative to the global political meltdown that Parodites identifies, sets off, it will be all hands on deck; consider now Anglosaxon power as philosophical in the baser, but still proper sense. Hobbes, Locke - in their rhetoric, the most spineless philosophers of all time, yet in their effect the most directly obeyed ones. Diplomacy versus the powers; five philosophers must now attempt to produce a document that can aid Trump and his successors in designing a Constitution that is entirely sufficient to the principle behind the Declaration, which is obviously nothing other than self-valuing logic.

Nietzsche had to appear before the US could be fully ratified as human. Nietzsche has no authority over the US, as the loftiness of its rich soil, vast skies and fresh, vigorous, shaman-rich bloodlines fully exceeds the joys of the Europe that gave birth to him. This is his uncontested nobility; from the dark cauldron of Europe, a vision appeared that does justice to the concept of a higher man.

It makes sense that this man has to be birthed far away from the old smells. The first smelling of an infants - consider that smell is carried by light electricity, by ionic fields, and consider that these fields pervade all the circumferences of our star; the sun is actually in all living scents; when something stinks, it means the sun isnt in it.

Stank - funk - to bring to sun deeper into the Earth. But all that is for Europe!

It is telling that N wrote as little about the US as he did because of what he did write. Most significantly Ive always found an entry in his notebooks that I must paraphrase -  The requirement of creating difficult conditions bring about high men; man must suffer danger in the streets and in the heart.



That's what Jefferson didn't mention, but damned well knew, on some level - all of these men were, after all, jurists - so they knew the consequences of their legalistic designs, the very consequences that Parodites mentioned.

Inequality has been implicit in the US code because the conditions on which the equality was superimposed had the shape of a mountainrange; what was considered a system of equal rights was a system of radical wealth differences, within which one was free to continue as one pleased. There never was a beginning; there was only restraint from wealthy men.

That, in kabalistic terms, is Chesed, Mercy, the sphere of Jupiter.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:52 pm

I too believe in fulfilling the Judaeo-Christian arc. As I wrote here:


The complete European [Aryan] was looked for behind the distortion imposed on it by the foreign races- first distorted by the Asians through Plato, then the Jews in Rome, and finally Christianity, by Heidegger and the Nazis. Nietzsche got an intimation of it. Indeed that distortion took place, as I have been talking about recently in the threads on globalism. But Christianity became a necessary dream in which the original intuition by the Doric tribes of pre-Hellenes, the true original soul of Europe, was matured in secrecy: secrecy from itself. But with liberal secular humanism and the two great wars, Christianity has been lost to a rabble of disjointed sects, and to atheism. And the current liberal political schema, with the collapse of Christianity, has taken us into the myth of ideology fully, and the false politics of globalization and statism, which has led to the cultural annihilation of Europe.

So to get back to the original Doric intuition- Being's revelation to dasein in Heidegger's language, one must go through Christianity, rather than behind with something like his de-struktion of historical forms of being and metaphysic, or Nietzsche's transvaluation of values.


I do not know exactly where Islam fits in, but I do not take Islam as the consummation or fulfillment of Judaeo-Christianity. It seems to be a regression into more ancient Judaic forms with some Christian appropriations applied to an imperialistic expansionist theocratic structure that never existed in Judaism itself.





And by the way, Trump could be a lot more coherent and presidential- if he wanted to or felt it was necessary to win. As in this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:48 am

Yes, the beauty of the Doric is unsurpassed. The nobility of whatever men they were is unfathomable, only through a curtain of tears does one approach the stone,  it is physiological, stronger than man as he is now. All that came from it was justified in Alexander, his conquest of the playground, setting fires of knowledge here and there throughout the wild Earth, how far he surpassed his 'master', the naive Aristotle who knew the Ram would run into a sea - no but the Ram ran into something vaster, a limit much more treacherous and final; India.  The depth of the Earth continues there undisputed, regardless of conflict between East and West - Alexander actually reached India with an army out of Greece to perish of pure spirit. I think this is our only example, the only bravery that counts; to go into the wild. Whatever is the wild to each of us. And none of us will ever forsake that call.

Hail The Anger of Zeus and the Plague Sending Apollon; because this is the good, as the ancients understood it, as they let it erode them, into this doric order, which takes on more splendor as forces smash and grind their souls into it.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:52 am

Indeed the Doric tribes conquered the other Hellenes and replaced their culture with what we now call "classical" Greece. Scholars cannot properly explain how this "invasion" by the Heracleidae took place, (it is described not as an invasion but as a return from exile) who claimed descent from Herakles himself, though I ascribe it to the Doric Greeks experiencing a direct intimation of Being's affirmative content, the transcendent. From this first transcendent revelation, the first philosophers emerged, each with a fully formed, unique, spontaneous episteme or guiding image of thought, ie. Parmenides, Heraclitus, all the pre-Socratics; they each advanced a perfectly independent philosophos from seemingly, nowhere. Then that revelation was lost with dissolution into foreign ways of thinking, then all the Platonizing began and the Judaeo-Christian arc took off, though not merely as a forgetfulness of the original revelation as in Heidegger, but as a protective womb.

At the first revelation of the transcendent order, each philosopher intuited a unique image of Being, and this intuition became the mythos, the original, infinitely fertile and creative mythic consciousness in which the human Word grounds itself in its own operative capacity. Schelling says that Nature "stupified" the Doric mind, and from this induced silence or passivity of thought, the Gods appeared: the mythos in essence arises as an autofiguration of man's place in nature and nature's place in man- as cosmos. That is what the Gods are, living symbols: the gods are liminal boundaries upon which the sensible crosses over into imaginative, and the transcendent crosses over into the immanent.


[As limen to the transcendent, human thought is its own illusory center and
boundary, self-evaporating at the margin of experience, whereon it is drawn up through
the scale from nihility to Being as Jean Wahl indicated, gaining if no real content about
the world in which it is estranged, then at least the words with which to pronounce its
solitude, namely as the very Law whose commandment should constitute our
intersubjective medium.]

Levi-Strauss calls this the break in consciousness needed to bring about representative power or logic- the logos, the complimentary faculty to the mythos. The mythos, through which man recognizes his own creative potential and infinitude in the order of Nature, while simultaneously recognizing within himself the power-active of the natural world, when bound to the logos, inaugurates the mythologos or mythology in its self-grounding: the first basic episteme emerges, the Ontos, as man hypostatizes his own essence as the essence of nature and vice versa, and with that episteme a true image of Being was formed, that is, a philosophy.


[The world, that is, being-in-time
or the ontos, is merely a self-nullifying tension of Being within Becoming,
constituted precisely as the movement of the daemon through
corporeal birth-death, never attaining to Being itself, or rising from the erotic premonition
of Being's revelation to transcendence. This never-attaining is the silence in response to
which man created myth, as in Vico, pairing it by means of the reflective mytho-logos to
the tragic poeticism of Holderlin's imagination which he mistakenly ascribed to
subjectivity: here this tragic language is ascribed to Nature itself, a nature without unity- a
nature in which sadness and horror have their register in the philosophic canon, just as it
is presented in Schelling's universe, while man, fathoming within himself the internal
division which characterizes all things and breaks up the scaffold of beings in nature, ie.
the principle of death and life, has gained the possibility of transcendence and reification,
of reinvesting the Ground of nothingness with a positive content. Nature itself is then
given as the primordial text of the Myth, and this myth of nature, that of Being and time,
is written in the language of tragic poeticism, the language of this self-defeating struggle
for Being from out of the void, the language of this never-attaining silence. ]


Given this, why was it necessary for the Doric revelation to protectively hide itself from itself in the arc of Judaeo-Christianity? So that one day we might accomplish

[
the task of fully developing the concatenation and combination of the inner
and outer worlds of man and nature, involuting and extro-verting the original image of
Being into the multitude of created forms, until at last, as Levi-Strauss said, the whole
symphony of combinations stands abrupted at the pinnacle of those combinatorial
resources and collapses into silence. Human speech does not name anything, it verbalizes
or speaks itself into existence and asserts the ground of its own genesis, which is silence:
in the beginning was the word and the word was god and the word was with god. The first
model or image of Being to which man awoke from out of the animal paradise, namely
the model of civilization itself as told by the Sumerians upon the mount Eridu- the image
of creation, which became the sight of our first city, afforded an initial break with nature
and organo-affective unity into mythic consciousness as Levi-Strauss called it, and we
may consider our language to have developed so as to reconstitute the intrapsychical
dimension after this Fall, after this reflective silence as lies both before and behind us,
after the ecstasis, as within a new medium unaccounted for by the natural world- that is,
within the medium of language itself. In summa: the discontiguity of techne and
language, of being and time, of the symbol and the symbolized, of the mythos and the
logos, of the model and the descriptive sign-system, is not the barrier to thought but the
very engine of consciousness and of concept-creation. ]


The silence following the death of God on the Cross, this has not been understood yet.



[ As in Rosenstock-Huessy: “Language is not speech, it is a full circle from word to sound
to perception to understanding to feeling, to memorizing, to acting and back to the word
about the act thus achieved. And before the listener can become a listener, something has
to happen: he or she must expect.” This expectation, this passivity which is transformed
in activity back into passivity and vice versa, is precisely mythic consciousness, which
through the closed circle of the logos is opened up to Being. Giambattista Vico draws
attention to the semantic discontiguity built into the very concept of mythology, insofar as
it combines two antithetical words- myth and logos, the structure of narrative and that of
truth, mimesis and reason, the poetic and the rational, the fiction and the reckoning. His
thesis is that logos cannot ground itself, a thoroughly modern problem that only
reappeared in the light of Nietzsche and Heidegger: the problem of philosophy's self-grounding,
its immanent locus, the point of departure for the vicious circle of the logos.
This is why the logos must enter into relation with myth, for the fictive or mimetic
genesis of what I call the techne or model of the cosmos provides the logos and language
with a point of departure upon which to begin verbalizing or announcing itself. Vico
asserts that the primordial silence of man becomes explicable by the logos from the
standpoint of the mythic model, such that language can begin to evolve as the
externalization of the structure of logos in relation to its mythic foundation in techne.
When language first appeared it was, as Vico points out through the lens of Egypt, in the
form of hieroglyphics, still bound to the natural imagery around whose silence it had been
first inaugurated, enclothed in this way by the shadow of the object, or, in Kantian
language, as so many empirical images not yet configured by transcendental imagination
in a schematism of non-sensible images, in a state more or less of sur-reflection as
Merleau-Ponty phenomenologically designated it- that is, an account of the effects of
reflection in passivity to the spectacle. The specifying and identity forming power of
language- the general language of Being established by logos, when first confronting the
domain of mythic silence before the model of creation- before the cosmic image of Being
itself, spoke the lesser images of beings, of the hieroglyphy, into existence through the
medium of human consciousness. The heiroglyphic stage is the mimetic stage of language
and is the one that most fascinated Mallarme, who identified the mimetic act as a
perpetual allusion that does not shatter the mirror, or one which installs a space of pure
fiction- that is, myth. Within the immanent plane of language so it happened that the
logos enacted within its own vicious circle the continuous submergence of individual
beings within one another, through a concatenation of the natural world, producing men
with the heads of dogs and so on, with the sign-symbol emerging as the discontiguous
threshold of transition between techne and logos, myth and reason, the model and the
word, and all the gods themselves upon the first pronouncement of the mystic syllable
EL.]


And thus the anti-dialectic I outlined is my formalization of this "Within the immanent plane of language [mythologos] so it happened that the logos enacted within its own vicious circle the continuous submergence of individual beings within one another...[this submergence is what myth became within the circle of the logos, the mythos on its own was a pure affirmation of Being in innumerable unconnected forms]" In essence: a logic in which Being does not contain the seed of its conceptual opposite or negation as it does in Hegel, where Being has an entirely affirmative content.

 

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Euryale, an sua cuique deus fit dira cupido?"

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:24 am

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As a matter of pure taste, Trump is lower than low. No serious thinker, no one with any shred of heart left, could ever cultivate any sort of taste for him. Nor am I interested in petty utilitarian ideological (religious) moralizing and metaphysical prophesizing about "what will happen if so and so is elected", like we're some sort of fucking partisan news commentator on CNN.

I have developed a strong taste for him, so I am forced to disregard this as false. Everything is about taste to me. The basic valuing - I don't rely on anything other than that anymore.

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Philosophy used to be about taste. I have no idea what it is anymore, but certainly it hasn't been about taste ever since Trump and nationalism came onto the docket.

I'll explain a bit - Trump 'tastes like' organic life to me, Hillary tastes to me like rotting corpses.
That is not some rhetorical trick Im trying to play to bend this to taste where it isnt about it - it is.

My absolute rejection of Hillary is purely taste; she is purely degenerate, pure human rot.

If that isn't a matter of taste, nothing is.

Life is about taste. Not just philosophy. Taste is basic organic valuing. I never  say anything here that isnt a direct expression of my tastes. That is the main ethics.

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Trump isn't a solution to anything, he is a fake populist anti-intellectual puppet and empty sour of brainless reactionary meme-speak with zero political knowledge or experience, and he caters to the absolute worst impulses in people. He is a cheap religious demagogue type, and not only that but he represents the very problems that he is supposedly wanting to fix. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing, plain and simple. There is no magical golden age going to be ushered in yet because a loudmouth bigot with no experience except in business (ending in multiple massive failures and culminating in him bragging that it is smart to cheat the very system he wants to run), and yes as I said in my post but which went unremarked on Trump is little different from the type of fascist totalitarian dictator personality that we already know so well. It's all there in how these people think, or rather how they do not think. The guy is a fucking walking caricature of himself, and he does not at all represent any serious attempt to solve any of our problems, from globalism and immigration on down the line. As I said also in  post and which here also went unremarked on as far as I can tell, Trump is the wet dream desire of the globalists. He plays right into their hands, only this kind of monumental ignorance and will to stupidity and low-level thinking and emoting could serve narrow ends of those already in power.

Trump is deeply intelligent, just look at the hearing Parodites posted last, plus no one is proposing a "golden age", but rather two types of crisis.

The US problems as I see them are only financial clutzery, spending too much on shit that causes only death and bankrupcy. Since Bush Sr. this has been the structural policy. Trump has already proven to be a massive genius compared to all these morons, Bush. Clinton, Bush, Obama - what fucking witless butchershop clerks. Unbelievable. You guys should throw them all out of the country. Human waste.

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To be quite clear, I have literally zero interest in ideology. None whatsoever. As for Hegel, I find it amusing the trepidation he inspires, the loathing and dismissal. From where does this come, I wonder? Well I don't really need to wonder, I happen to know.

I only said that I too have read him (some) and found him impressive.

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 which I usually refer to as "pathologies", I am inclined, by my taste, to turn away.

Ive respected that, this is why I didn't press you to address Trump in the light I see him. But my tastes have found in this place, as always, the one sane and clean place in the world.

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My hope is that after the election psyches can calm down a little bit, make some space for serious philosophy again.

Ive always said that my aim for my philosophy is to be implemented into politics - that is also the title of this thread - thus in every election season I will heat up, and 'get my hands dirty' - I respect that this is not appropriate to all of our inclinations - and I certainly never meant to suggest you actually value Hillary. It's just, youve been forceful in expressing your disdain for anyones taste for Trump - I had no choice to respect that, as taste can not be argued.

My tastes are so strong, produce such strong reactions, that I am always restraining my output by 90 percent, regardless where I am. But if I am allowed to speak slightly on taste, Hillary makes Hitler smell like fresh apple pie to me. The way she stood there incredulously grinning in the debate - Ive never seen anything quite as disgusting. There is no animal that I would consider lower, and no shit I would regard as more abject, than her and her running mate.

I can almost literally smell the corpses she makes and the shit in the pants of these corpses. Ive seen her work everywhere since I was a kid. Death, death, death, death, death, and sanctimonious grinning. It's hard to endure.

I don't smell death on Trump. Obama at this point is just a greying, decaying skeleton with some shreds of other peoples caramelized meat on him. A terminator whose only virtue is that he has a better taste in style than Hillary - which is actually a disadvantage to me, as it convinced me and so many  that he actually had taste of character, and we all got him into power.  All of it is taste, politics and all things that are of nature.

I see in Trump the opposite - no taste in style (look at the Trump Tower) but definitely taste in Character (look at him spending his life as a builder in New York).

The following statement pertains strictly to what I experienced during my life as US foreign policy; post Vietnam US presidency has been a matter of fundamentally bad taste. Most of them have been butchers of a genocidal order, and all of them have been using the word "peace" and "freedom" and "human dignity" while sending whole peoples into the darkest deathfate.

Trump is the first one Ive witnessed that does not use this language. He is the first USA president to emerge from below that surface of death and appear human.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:57 am

Yes this does somewhat come down to taste, however I think taste can and should be argued.

I see no need to defend, or even attack Hillary very much. We know exactly what she is, a piece of the neoliberal school of thought currently running things. A vote for her is a vote for status quo. I am working on an analysis of this neoliberal model and as I said, it at least must make its pretenses to truth even when it is lying, especially when it is lying. Of course no philosopher could support this model. But in my view Trump is far worse. He is onlt an outsider in the sense he doesn't know what he is doing, and that is even more terrifying because we would entrust him to a task for which he is entirely unprepared both in experience and intellectually, namely we would trust him to dismantle the neoliberal global state. I don't think he can do that nor would he want to (why would he, he is heavily leveraged in international business already.)

He appeals to cheap reactionary fear- and anger-based rhetoric, inciting anger and disaffection and targeting it at certain groups we are supposed to assume are the cause of our problems-- Muslims, Mexicans, the Chinese. That is demagoguery fascism 101, to scapegoat certain groups like that. The Right in US always tries to blame the poor, minorities for the country's problems, culminating in the kind of anti-decadence moralism that gripped Heidegger with his support of Hitler. I see similar logic a thing work here. "Things would be great if we could just get all those (Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, poor people, Jews...) out of the way." Its just not realistic to look a thing things like that.

I choose not to supporr either candidate because either one violates basic principle values of what I see as fundamental to western civilization and reason proper. I absolutely reject the false dichotomy of EITHER Clinton OR Trump. This false dichotomy itself is precisely the problem: trump and clinton as the two only serious candidates IS the problem, or rather represents the deeper problem. Neither is a solution.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:14 pm

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    I see no need to defend, or even attack Hillary very much. We know exactly what she is, a piece of the neoliberal school of thought currently running things. A vote for her is a vote for status quo. I am working on an analysis of this neoliberal model and as I said, it at least must make its pretenses to truth even when it is lying, especially when it is lying. Of course no philosopher could support this model. But in my view Trump is far worse. He is onlt an outsider in the sense he doesn't know what he is doing, and that is even more terrifying because we would entrust him to a task for which he is entirely unprepared both in experience and intellectually, namely we would trust him to dismantle the neoliberal global state. I don't think he can do that nor would he want to (why would he, he is heavily leveraged in international business already.)

I disagree. Trump has made his fortune himself (with far less of a starting capital than a US president gets to spend) and Im sure all the presidents that came before since pre-war presidents have known less about what they were doing with money. All of them have been gigantic fuckups. All good things in the US have been set up before WWII, except the computer, which was built to construct the H bomb.

Not a single post FDR president has given the appearance of knowing what they were doing in the least. All of them have many pointless deaths on their conscience. Eisenhower  had some idea - but no power to address what he saw - and Nixon was the least bad of the rest. But Trump is in a unique position as a non-bureaucrat, non insider-to-failure to break this ghastly status quo that has been going on since before JFK thought he was running the country. 


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    He appeals to cheap reactionary fear- and anger-based rhetoric, inciting anger and disaffection and targeting it at certain groups we are supposed to assume are the cause of our problems-- Muslims, Mexicans, the Chinese. That is demagoguery fascism 101, to scapegoat certain groups like that. The Right in US always tries to blame the poor, minorities for the country's problems, culminating in the kind of anti-decadence moralism that gripped Heidegger with his support of Hitler. I see similar logic a thing work here. "Things would be great if we could just get all those (Mexicans, Chinese, Muslims, poor people, Jews...) out of the way." Its just not realistic to look a thing things like that.

Without wanting to be annoying, I haven't heard him say any of these things. He says things about many nations and several ideologies, but all of these are pertinent to some concrete problem he perceives. It is true what he says about Chinese politics, that they are outplaying the us. He is openly calling them geniuses for that, because he understands that is what they are.

Also be careful mentioning the Jews here correctly- Trump is very supportive of them and of Israel.

I did hear Hillary say these things about all the groups I am part of. (Whites, men, Trump supporters, etc). 

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    I choose not to supporr either candidate because either one violates basic principle values of what I see as fundamental to western civilization and reason proper. I absolutely reject the false dichotomy of EITHER Clinton OR Trump. This false dichotomy itself is precisely the problem: trump and clinton as the two only serious candidates IS the problem, or rather represents the deeper problem. Neither is a solution.

This moves into territory where we can find agreement.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:30 pm

When I talk about the form of demagoguery fascism I mean something specific. This is a certain kind of appeal that has very little to do with actual policies. The contents are irrelevant to the form, the contents (specified issues, policies, real problems) are just a means to the end of (fake) populist appeal. Trump changes his mind on issues not just because he doesn't have a clear grasp on them (his brand of radical right wing Limbaugh Sean Hannity talk radio nonsense ideology, and trust me I've heard him on Hannity many times) but because he doesn't really care about those specific issues. He seriously thinks that we just need to "be tough" and things will get better.

Many of these following points still stand:

"We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.That this tough-guy, get-mad-and-get-even approach has gained him an increasingly large and enthusiastic following has probably surprised Trump as much as anyone else. Trump himself is simply and quite literally an egomaniac. But the phenomenon he has created and now leads has become something larger than him, and something far more dangerous.Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people.This phenomenon has arisen in other democratic and quasi-democratic countries over the past century, and it has generally been called “fascism.” Fascist movements, too, had no coherent ideology, no clear set of prescriptions for what ailed society. “National socialism” was a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposed; fascism in Italy was anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist and anti-clerical. Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Führer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how. "

The function of The Will of the People in a democracy is not to know the answers to the many complexities and problems of modern society; the function is precisely negative in general and positive in specific: 1) Negative: to serve as a check on those already in power, that if they screw up too badly the people will toss them out on their asses, and 2) Positive: to ground those who are in power in at least a baseline state of representing the people in general through popular vote. The fact that people in democracy vote isn't because the people should or do know what is best or how best to solve problems, it is precisely formal, to instantiate ground-level Representation of leadership to that society which it leads. But again the other and only primary function of the democratic people is simply to act as a check against severe abuses of power.

This fake populism and nationalism of believing that "the people" somehow know what is best and how to solve society'a problems is just not true at all, it is even a perversion of the true function of the people to their political system. Most Trump supporters only care about one issue, bringing back unskilled labor jobs such as manufacturing. Anxiety about job losses in unskilled labor is prettt much the only serious concern for most Trump voters, and all of his pandering on issues like scapegoating certain groups is aimed decidedly at stoking that anxiety.

Btw my comment about Jews on that list of "undesirables" was in reference to Hitler, not to Trump.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:45 pm

I have addressed many of theses issues in my own terms - we need to respect here that we all have our terms.

Here is what I see; Trump is catering to a traditional conservative 'right wing' segment of the electorate to get them to vote for him.  I have seen dozens of lengthy interviews with him from decades back, where he very evidently is a deeply competent and rational man. Very impressive.

If he would act as intelligent as he is, no American would vote for him. Americans structurally vote for morons or fascists.

The other issues you raise are also perceived differently by me; I have left Europe because mass import of sick ideologies made it impossible to live there as a human being without getting your throat slit. Granted, the US is larger than Holland and would not get so clogged, people could still do what they want in deep backlands. But in general it's a bad idea to import nazis, muslims, or other people aborted in their humanity by some non-human ideology, into a country that has many unemployed people. It is just sick and murderous.

I dont know what is wrong with addressing the very basis of American freedom and prosperity; low entry construction jobs.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:52 pm

Regarding Islam.

I showed my film, that I made in Amsterdam with a muslim kid, which launched a profitable tv career until I quit in disgust, to Pezer.

Before that, he had always been pressing me on how much he found human in Islam and identified with it - when he saw this film, he was silent.

It is not possible for Americans to know the extent to which Islam has absorbed our homeland.

Watch this, especially from 5:30 on.

I, as the filmmaker, saw only beauty at the time. I might be the least 'racist' person there is in this world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tD8Jo6b50

The film is meant as a manifesto for religious freedom. Because I gave the muslims all the freedom in the world to express themselves, they end yup revealing much more than any anti-muslim propaganda could.

The guy is still my friend, though it is evidently strained now - his brother went to join IS because he was forbidden a girlfriend by his family, as I understand it. That is all very normal, day to day stuff in Amsterdam, let alone in Brussels or Paris or Cologne.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:54 pm

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Well the thing is that Trumps lies can be counted and listed - I looked at them, found no grave crimes against humanity in them. Whereas during the debate, Hillary has only told lies. She started lying, and never actually stopped. Plus her lies were importantly genocidal lies. She has already the blood of innumerable children on her hands, has already caused chaos for the next 1000 years for many millions. That has not really been addressed at all, I think.

I talk about being the tough and strong guy, that is a big part of Fixed Cross strategy. I disagree vehemently with tha attribution of strongman rhetoric to fascism. I think in fact that strongnman rhetoric is entirely anti-fascit in this time.

Fasicsm is just absolute tyranny of the corporation. That is its definition. Right now Hillary is literally fascist, as is Obama. There is no real argument here - fascism is the ruling form of state. That is is defended with democratic rhetoric makes it all the more typically fascist.

I hope it's ok to post this and my reply in the topic.

Yes and in this sense modern society is already fascist at heart simple due to the intertwining of government and corporate-capitalist interests. But that definition of fascism is to only simplistic, for one thing because this intertwining of interests is inevitable and not necessarily bad. This is another deep contradiction in the Right populist position today: they are implicitly and openly on the side of corporations and private interests, associating that with freedom and success of the individual in the marketplace, but they are against corporations in so far as corporations "represent capitalism as such" which simply means the companies are TOO successful, they use outsourcing or get special deals in their favor, don't pay taxes, etc: the very same stuff Trump already does and brags about.


As to what you just posted above, there is nothing wrong with low skill labor, I happen to like that kind of work myself. But here is another contradiction at the heart of the modern Right: the conflict between their value of Capital growth and corporate progress to profits such as with Ford for example making streetcars and trains largely obsolete, this kind of progress is always defended by conservatives in the US Right, and in the other hand being deeply protectionist and anti-progress when it comes to labor and unskilled work. If we can replace many unskilled jobs with robots or technological efficiency removing many workers, that is seen as bad from the Right's perspective yet in general the Right supports the advances of technology and capital toward expanding business profits and power. The reason for this difference is simply because many of the Right's voters are those in the very same low skilled labor jobs that are in decline.

I have nothing against labor at all. But I do have a problem with this kind of hypocritical "labor protectionism" (which has traditionally been the prerogative of the Left in the form of unions and worker rights) being elevated to basically the single issue of importance around which the entire modern Right turns.

Edit: for clarity sake, which lies and grave crimes of Hillary are you talking about? It would be good to make a side by side list of Trump and Hillary when it comes to lies told and crimes committed. But here we need to be pretty specific.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:09 pm

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Certainly.

   
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Yes and in this sense modern society is already fascist at heart simple due to the intertwining of government and corporate-capitalist interests. But that definition of fascism is to only simplistic, for one thing because this intertwining of interests is inevitable and not necessarily bad. This is another deep contradiction in the Right populist position today: they are implicitly and openly on the side of corporations and private interests, associating that with freedom and success of the individual in the marketplace, but they are against corporations in so far as corporations "represent capitalism as such" which simply means the companies are TOO successful, they use outsourcing or get special deals in their favor, don't pay taxes, etc: the very same stuff Trump already does and brags about.

Now we're talking - here is where I clearly see deceit as well. It's just that all politicians deceive this way - it's still deceit that needs to be addressed. It is not genocidal deceit,  but mere misleading.

The issue here is whether or not a corporation should be granted, as they are now, citizen rights. That is where the disparity was solidified.

Profit sand wealth and success have to be redefined in terms of a better understanding of value and gain. And companies cannot be granted citizens rights.

  
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  As to what you just posted above, there is nothing wrong with low skill labor, I happen to like that kind of work myself. But here is another contradiction at the heart of the modern Right: the conflict between their value of Capital growth and corporate progress to profits such as with Ford for example making streetcars and trains largely obsolete, this kind of progress is always defended by conservatives in the US Right, and in the other hand being deeply protectionist and anti-progress when it comes to labor and unskilled work. If we can replace many unskilled jobs with robots or technological efficiency removing many workers, that is seen as bad from the Right's perspective yet in general the Right supports the advances of technology and capital toward expanding business profits and power. The reason for this difference is simply becausea many of the Right's voters are those in the very same low skilled labor jobs that are in decline.

This goes into Parodites' tertiary stage model, I think- how we should be dealing with the rise of an entirely technocratic system - on the other hand, the jobs right now are being outsourced to humans, not robots, who are simply paid less. Before robots replace these foreign children, I think we will have the chance of bringing back some of the work... but I dont know. I just know that it is a real issue he is talking about and that no politician has ever had a simple solution for such issues... but that fact that he is essentially a buillder speaks very well for him. As I see it, he'd be the first philosophical presidential choice in that sense, given how much importance I place on the physicality of rulership, its essence as building and managing growth.


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    I have nothing against labor at all. But I do have a problem with this kind of hypocritical "labor protectionism" (which has traditionally been the prerogative of the Left in the form of unions and worker rights) being elevated to basically the single issue of importance around which the entire modern Right turns.

A lot of people are going do be disappointed in any scenario, granted.

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    Edit: for clarity sake, which lies and grave crimes of Hillary are you talking about? It would be good to make a side by side list of Trump and Hillary when it comes to lies told and crimes committed. But here we need to be pretty specific.

Lybia, Iraq, Yugoslavia, are some prominent countries she and her clan ravaged. Ukraine is her fault, and 2004's NATO expansion which is a direct act of war against Russia and will probably be paid for still with much life, is her clans doing. She always speaks about freedom and human rights, and that is all vicious lying, as per the above. Of course Syria is directly her responsibility.

She is a figure in a political sect, that began effectively after Reagan and the USSR, that has determined the global military and social economic landscape. She and her people have brought global misery for three decades now.

Since bringing death, famine, disease and war is the only thing that she has ever done for the world, and since she never mentions any of these accomplishments of hers, all she says is deception.

all except the occasional slip of the tongue, like here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:20 pm

The beauty of it is that at the very moment that the carnage she set off is at its peak, she gets invited to Oslo to receive a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

I could see this as the 'end times', if ever such a word should apply, the time of the greatest imaginable injustice. Politics has entered its ugliest stage.

I imagine being part of one of these families that have been decimated by her, and seeing her ascend that stage... there is no greater dishonor that can be done to the human species; this brings to the lowest level of disgrace both humanity's heart, and the institutions of our intellect and arts.

At least Hitlers Olympics were real enough that a black athlete was able to win.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:31 pm

I think we seriously need to consider severing the latest 4 presidencies from what is technically the US of A. Since the USSR fell, US presidents have not be compelled to obey to any sort of law or agreement, and far from being lofty creators, they turned out to have been a robber-clan of sorts; the Bush and Clin ton families in central positions, with people like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Brzezinski, Wolfowitz, Albright, Rice to organize the big theft of the state from the people;

they are ordinary savages, they have nothing in common with the USA narrative or values - sheer murderers and plunderers that happen to have stolen a country. Hillary is a part of a robber clan that now owns the USA - she is no politician, no government, just a very sinister creep that came into possession of a lot of human fates.

 

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