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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:51 pm

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What I mean about a breakdown of power into smaller more local groups is simply a return to stronger nationalism. Populism and right-leaning nationalism is a catalyst, and a reaction of course, to the insanity of the EU, but ultimately the EU bureaucrats are also corporate-backed powers, and those corporations and their cronies in government form the backbone of the power-structure that is trying to hold onto globalism and the EU system. Most people do not want that system, but democracy no longer works in Europe, since despite not wanting all this globalist nonsense they have it anyway... despite not wanting mass Muslim immigration they have it anyway, despite not wanting to see the dissolution of their own national legacy and right to sovereignty they are seeing it happen anyway. So there is a gap between the people and their nations on one side, and the bureaucrats/EU on the other side.

As you will address below, there isn't really a thing like 'the people' in Europe.
In fact, all Dutch people I personally know except my parents simply believe what they read in the papers and continue to live lives of debt, triviality and latte's as if it's evidently the greatest thing in the world to sit in a flavored coffee place with a macbook and never look anyone in the eye.

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I think this latter side of the EU must be somewhat internally complex, with its own structuring hierarchy. Basically you have national level politicians who appease those higher up in the EU power structure, and of course most branches within the EU are not run by elected people. There is a growing pressure on the national-level politics, simply because everyone knows the EU is dying; what will the national politicians do? Most of them can't abandon their EU-ideology, because if they break away and try to become a Le Pen or something they get labeled "racist" and "fascist", and they risk assassination. I don't see that the European nations are tied together like how the American states are tied together... even the two parties in America are far more united together existentially-metaphysically than are the various European nations and parties seemingly united together.

With us there is no nationalism to return to. Before the world wars and the EU which was their resolution, all of our nations were global empires with massive colonies. We don't have it in us to be an isolated nation state that complies with international law.

So basically we are in a tight spot. And everything you say from hereon reflects my experience and - except if by some vision of some philosopher a Trumpworthy project, a project of building is embarked upon - my expectations.

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Trump can unite America, left and right, and he is doing that. But who can do the same thing in Europe? At best you have a Brexit, basically an entire state within the union separating itself and enforcing a kind of existential boundary and limit between itself and any possible 'unity'. The EU would have to completely fall and almost overnight, if anything resembling a rational unity based on national sovereignty and common self-valuing could obtain in Europe, and I can't see the EU doing that. They will hold on until the very end. Just like the mafia don who tries to hold onto his crumbling empire as even his own bosses are turning against him.

The logic is simple: they should dissolve the top level and relocate the degrees of freedom downward, allowing them to settle naturally as per gravity by following the contours of the situation. That is what is happening right now in America, thanks to Trump. But I can't see that happening in Europe. So instead we might see in Europe a war break out, but a strangely non-conventional war between various ruling ideological and political powers that is superimposed upon what is left of the nation-states there. Strange alliances between various parties and leaders across nations, and even stronger enemies within nations, with some nations cohering a more singular value while others like Germany keep fracturing. The only thing holding it all together is the continuing flow of hegemonic capital trying to enforce top-down order, and that can't last forever. Obviously only a few European states have nukes and have the military capacity to even defend themselves, much less attack a neighbor. NATO under Trump would probably pick sides in a conflict, I would think.

Actually, the only thing holding the EU together now is the apathy of the average European citizen. Fuck, but Europeans seem to have no soul left. This apathy is literally the glue of the EU, meanwhile the capital hegemonically pumped through the system from the top down is essentially a police force. Once the American stock market crashes again, and it will because before Trump the stock market was in a massive bubble, Europe will experience severe financial crisis and that "police force" will vanish. So what will apathetic Europeans do then? I don't know, it is hard to imagine all-out war and civil war in Europe, but it could happen.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:56 pm

By the way, a great and roundabout commentary on Bernie and the stupidity he represents,




Lol.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:07 pm

Sipping lattes in a cafe with your macbook is a kind of addiction. Not all people who like doing this are bad people, but neither are all heroin addicts bad people either.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:09 pm

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By the way, a great and roundabout commentary on Bernie and the stupidity he represents,




Lol.

9:35 - lol

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:14 pm

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Sipping lattes in a cafe with your macbook is a kind of addiction. Not all people who like doing this are bad people, but neither are all heroin addicts bad people either.

What I'd do in the last year I was there is get to this coffeeshop, smoke a joint with a latte, write here on my phone and then walk to the beach, alongt he sea into the dunes and get into runing. I get the pleasure of it, but it's a springboard. I used it to get where I am now.

What people are more generally sprung to if they luck out is this sort of thing, a boy that used to be my neighbor with whom I planned to do this sort of thing to make money, before he went on to take my ideas and start for himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGs96xal2jI

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:17 pm

Yes, the intelligent use it as a springboard, or a nice respite, while the more banal use it as narco-death.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:27 pm

I mean this literally: the highest thing for a post babyboom Northern EU citizen is to travel, and the highest destinations are the US, Japan, China - true nations with power and sovereignty and honor and status. No one really endures another EU country except with things like Italy and the Netherlands there is chemistry like with Slavic and Northern African people, just chemistry of well honed differences that prevail in cultures strong enough to resist modernity. italians are still Romans, Dutch are still pirates. Fucking assholes. It's an impressive nation, economically, It's actually the worlds biggest investor in the US. Bizarrely. Also a world class machine manufacturer with both world class port and airport, and totally run by upper echelon law writing crime and mean contentedness. Amsterdam could be capital of the EU and it would outclass a lot of other powers with ruthless lust for commerce and getting into other peoples economies and becoming essential.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:41 pm

-- Okay, so as an ordering first-motion, a principle of liberated Europe, here are a few Dutch - Nederlandse -  nationalistic options, not in favor with the media but always ruling the nations destiny since Willem kicked out the Catholics.

The first stockmarket is dutch. Wallstreet is a dutch street of New Amsterdam.
Reality TV is a Dutch invention.
Intercontinental colonization is Dutch, as is intercontinental slavetrade.
Opium trade was initiated by the Dutch.
Neanderthal blood. Nederland/Neanderdal



I personally would not believe the amount of power transferring through this little tax haven.

The party of the owners of capital is now in Charge. Mark Rutte, who was a weak third rate politician, then openly underwent NLP and became prime minister, is the pitch perfect representative of an upper echelon intra-corporate manager, which is what Dutch PMship has been since so called red Wim Kok formed the liberal-socialist alliance in the early 90's before moving on to actually working for banks. It was highly cynical, all state assets were sold in a few years, right after Germany's unification.

The Euro is technically the Deutsche Mark pumped up about 20 percent in value but retaining its momentum. The way the other currencies were added and integrated was keenly manufactured to accommodate the German export markets. German financial engineered were hired in every country. Their ties to American banks must have been formed through the most interesting internal wars of investment firms and secret services. Good lives could be lived in these absolutely dominant selfvaluings, firms.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:52 pm

Damn. I was just thinking about how information and logic passes through human systems as if through an integrated circuit, you have relatively static (basically is bound to 1000x slower time increments of change) constructs of material capital, such as buildings and infrastructure, and through that you have information flowing at a very fast rate. Information is capital, but also more importantly is what that capital is used for; the spread of ideas and the production of affects and behaviors in people, and the side-effect of changing the integrated circuit structure too.

That picture looks like a circuitboard.

Orders of magnitude of what are essentially capitalist systems, and they arrange themselves naturally based around the tectonic relations between relative time-increment measurements. One might say that the purpose of it all is to liberate the most fluid and free-flowing, time-speed-up level of the entire setup, namely the flow of ideas and information proper. But that highest liberation zone doesn't have intrinsic value, its value is that it in turn retroactively acts upon that from which it emerged, leading to a hugely complex, irreducible and potentially infinitely recursive material... in this case, human being as the sign-mechanism for truth/s.

Edit, looks like you changed the photo, but the previous one was the image I meant.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:00 pm



A circuitboard is exactly what I saw when I flew over it landing after a trip from Damascus, which had been unclouded all the way, a curious blessingthat gave me the power to see the Middle East dirt browh Earth transform gradually to the lush mountains of Switzerland and the green vallyes of Germany with its predictable patterns of roads and towns, and then, immediately across the border, first an absurdly minute ten to hundred-fold increased bordering of land-particles ("kavels" "verkaveling") which happened due to land scarcity and the high fertility of the soil, and then into the west, indeed precisely that circuitboard, actually my impression was of a microchip. It had just rained and the sun was breaking through, I saw it all shimmer with cold electricity. Amazing, I was deeply impressed. And when I stepped out of the subway and walked home,  the air was fresh as hell.

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Orders of magnitude of what are essentially capitalist systems, and they arrange themselves naturally based around the tectonic relations between relative time-increment measurements. One might say that the purpose of it all is to liberate the most fluid and free-flowing, time-speed-up level of the entire setup, namely the flow of ideas and information proper. But that highest liberation zone doesn't have intrinsic value, its value is that it in turn retroactively acts upon that from which it emerged, leading to a hugely complex, irreducible and potentially infinitely recursive material... in this case, human being as the sign-mechanism for truth/s.

That's very good. I think that's what they aim for.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:07 pm

Ive always loved this building. I remember seeing its spine being constructed in the late 90's one night as I went to some football game. I was sensing some new aesthetic magnetism in the air. Whenever I pass by it on the ring I have to look, it's appealing.



http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/2112816.jpg

That's one mean motherfucking bank, ABN Amro. If you're with them you're very well set.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:16 pm

Basically in the EU you want Germany, the Netherlands and Italy. With these three, you have what you need if you can get passage through Switzerland.
Austria is great to have too. France, not so much. You'd do it for the glamor. But they are intrinsically nationalistic, and rightly so, and they are opaque in their statist economy. You can't expect them to do what is agreed, as their labor unions are effectively in control, since they are an agricultural nation which mean written agreements don't mean shit, roads are going to be blocked, and crops burned.

If the Netherlands would try to separate from the EU, I don't think the EU would fall apart, but grow stronger. The financial ties between Frankfurt and Amsterdam and the industrial between the various production centers of Germany and Rotterdam Harbor would overtake the diplomatic dialectic between Den Haag and Berlin, and the economy would start to come alive with resilience, and begin to sweat culture.

Yes, let us try to challenge the ties, as they are strong.
We, if we'd manage to contraintuitively reinvigorate the enterpreneural spirit between the Netherlands and Germany, would become an incredible mediator between England and the Euro-Axis as I hereby title the meritocratic axis Rome-Amsterdam.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:27 pm

And honestly I can say that the Turks are now in control of the mid-level economy of Germany and Holland both. I don't know how and why it happened so eagerly and fast but as soon as there were many Turks in Cologne and Amsterdam, the politics in Turkey turned from secular to religious and the Turks took hold of the pride of the city. The guy I made the film with is Turkish, he has far more access to actually legal as well as illegal inside-facets of society than a typical middle class white man, precisely because of his label of underprivileged in combination with his two sources of pride, his nation and his god. Turks in Holland dont feel dutch, they have a name for them, "tatta". It's not friendly. Their network of nationalistic spirit is stronger than any Ive ever seen, and the religious nature of the people that typically emigrated, that is to say the poor (of which my friend is not one, he is from the Greece-related West) only adds to the fluidity and cohesion, loyalty. We can't compete on a middle class level, we are marginalized into media that do nothing but defend Islam and immigration. We simply rule the process on an aristocratic level from Bloemendaal and Wassenaar, towns of deep privilege built in the dunes, where I walk... tectonically separated by a thousand degrees from the golf-players or the ferraris I pass by, but not without familiar nod of a herring eating scoundrel.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:44 pm

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How cute, Bernie Sanders playing make-believe that he is actually the president:




^ He seems very confused.

Collectively, all of these bloated egos are now going through this deflation. Their oxygen is their capacity for self-praise, and it is just running out. They go through ego-death. Some of them go mad, some die, others reach the fields of soul, where philosophy has in the meantime built itself some infrastructure.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:48 pm

I enjoy the Turkish way of Amsterdam far more than the white-yuppie way. Not that I am part of it or would want to be truly, but it is more concerned with power and value, and less with trying to escape - they drive better cars, have more weapons, know where to get things cheap, have connections throughout the continent on the road to Turkey, have this huge Khan-related militaristic scope of ego, and basically have, through low wage work, managed to do what they had always been trying for as the Ottomans - storm the gates of Vienna.

Turks are now part of Europe. As are many Arabs, but these remain segregated, whereas the Turks can leverage from within.
If Turkey would come around and become more rational and less dictatorial again, it could actually get in a position to lead what would be left of Europe in some scenarios.
In any case, a faltering EU would likely result in Germany opening up even more powers to Turkey.
The power simply to funnel in millions of Syrians gives Turkey overwhelming blackmail power over Merkel, who has made her promise.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:53 pm

But that is all bleak. Dutch navel-staring leads to predictions of ancient Empires usurping.

Back to reality:
All great things must first wear ridiculous masks.

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