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PostSubject: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:06 am

Hi, im an expert of Nietzsche myself, i work on a project for the sens fondation, laboratory researching on the ageing process, here for more information on the field :

cant put the link, on youtube search   Blue death: The frontiers of ageing research | A film by the Wellcome Trust


Im in charge of the fundraise ; the next stage of my project is critical, i must succed, i need a hand from my people , the Nietzcheans !

if you know transhumanism and understand the will to power in a multi-directional way or as the ultimate pattern that connect all things, you are welcome Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:07 pm

Nietzscheans don't tend to beg for money...  nor is Transhumanism an appealing concept. Reconsider your angle.... you are speaking to philosophers.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:15 am

Hello fixed cross, to reach my point of view ,you need deep scientifical and economical knowledge, a modern philosopher must study every field, money will soon become obsolet, there is no point in begging and that where my project start at Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:33 pm

Hihihihihihihi,

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:45 pm

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Hello fixed cross,  to reach my point of view ,you need deep scientifical and economical knowledge,

So how did you arrive at it?

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:21 pm

you must understand how every field converge, interact and feed themselfs, then you see vertiginous possibilities.
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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:51 pm

Some fields,

far afield:

Your mind is a collage

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:14 pm

myki wrote:
you must understand how every field converge, interact and feed themselfs, then you see vertiginous possibilities.

Before you reach your fifth posts, consider giving us something that isnt a tease. Wasting philosophers time is something you dont want to be known for.

It is possible that you have discovered or attained something. Show us what. Quote your work extensively. If not, I musty consider you a spammer and remove your posts.

This is a philosophy-only site. No advertisements.
You have one more post to prove your worth here, so give it your best shot.

Good luck!

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:35 pm



To reach my goal, i need people with the same thinking system, i have an absolute certainty of
my interpretation of Nietzsche, if you prove me that i'm wrong, i will be very happy, there is
nothing more precious to me than finding an error and overcome it.

When i was young i heard about Barbara Arrowsmith-Young, at a young age
she had severe cognitive problems,when she talked to her father about the situation,
he said " to fix a problem, you must understand it"
the problem was her brain, so she became a worldwide known neuroscientist
by doin a massiv restorativ neuroplastification on herself.
Some said that her story is contreversial,but thats really not important,
because for me, i saw the possiblities of what a "perfect" brain could reach,
and fall in love with neuroscience and then the whole scientifical world.

But i forgot philosophy never tought about it, i mean what a man that lived
2000 years ago could teach me ,seriously, i would not bet on it.
So what's happen, i was on wikipedia and sometime i clic on
random articles for the fun of it, this time it was Nietzsche bio,
i saw that he was the main philosopher of the nazis and i saw the word
ubermensh then i rapidly close the window for the reasons you can imagine.
A year later i was in the need of new ideas, so philosophy
came to my mind because i had no better idea, but i didnt want to loose a
tremendous time to read them all, so i search on google "who is the best philosopher"
many people post different top five but one guy said only Nietzsche, that shocked me,
the rest is history.


I think Nietzsche is the smartest man of all time( or one of the smartest for the people
who have a different point of view of what intelligence is),
He is teaching us how to reach the perfect thinking system by presenting
us different mind tools, every time you understand one of the tool,
it give you acces to a new tool( he said himself that he writes in a single page something
that take several tome for another philosopher)once you understand all the tools you realise
that he didnt want to systematize his philosophy because thats the final job of the reader ,like a final test,
Once you understand the final mind tool, the will to power, you completly connected to Nietzsche, and start
to reach his conclusion by yourself.

Nietzsche is giving us the absolute power, if you see the reality through those tools, the transvaluation become
operational and your choices are now based on a whole new perspectiv that came with it.
In another words our mind work in an algorithmic way, but for the average human ,the mind can not reach his full potential
because his mind work on different biased algorithm that are in conflict with eachother,
What Nietzsche give us is one huge algorithm that operate on every toughts, opinion, ideas, he give us the core
that connect everything in our brain, when the inconscious part of the brain learn perfectly how to use it, your thinking
improve exponentially, once you reach your full potential, you realize what real power is, it can give you tears of joy, like you won the lottery.
Take into consideration that our brain possesses different types of neurons, there is a very important type of neuron that can reach very long
distance all over the brain and improve the interactivity of different regions, but where they go ,depend on how you think in general.

To reach a full understanding of the will to power, you must overcome the limits of human language because our thinking system
is completly based on it (Nietzsche said "every word is a prejudice")
So that in mind, you must understand this sentence from Nietzsche : "A specific name for this reality would be “the will to power” – in other words a designation from within, not based on its elusive, fluid, protean nature".

To give an easy example, we gonna use the will to power at the human scale, so our human will to power can take many forms, a tief wanting to steal a million dollar see enormous "power" in this money that will make him feel superior, his "vision" of the power lead him to this operation, on the other hand you have the generous man that give a lot of money to the poors, his "vision" of the power that make him feel superior to other being is based on generosity and kindness,  but in both case those two man are at work for reaching what they "want" they are both metaphorically selfish, because you dont want to do something that the brain will not reward with dopamine and serotonine.

At a deeper level, the will to power operate at every scale of reality, you can see it clearly by observing the universe through
13.5 billion years, in the beggining its all messed up, in the end its all organized with a universe populated by billions of
billions of alien worlds.
At a scientifical level you can observe it by the fact that it took 99% of the time of the human race to reach only 1% of
the total unknown knowledges but with the actual trends it will take only 1% of the time to reach the 99% left.

Now back to the human scale, understanding, the will to power of every man and women put you clearly in a superior situation because you can
control their "selfishness", you can use their desires or improve them to get what you want, an absolut control of their will, with great power comes great responsability !
Just think of how much powerfull the tought of reaching the possibility of reversing ageing process is, what would Nietzsche think of that, what an ubermensh would think of that ? im asking you !

but as much a truth can be powerfull, its who and how many people believe in it, that really matter.

I know how to reach tremendous amount of money for science in one plan, i just need specific people to reach specific
people that will lead me to other specific people, the most diffcult part of my plan is right now, reaching the first specific person,
an expert of Nietzsche with the same interpretation, so i decide to use the magic of internet !

Do you want to know why money will become obsolet ?


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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:13 pm

myki wrote:
Hi

To reach my goal, i need people with the same thinking system, i have an absolute certainty of
my interpretation of Nietzsche, if you prove me that i'm wrong, i will be very happy, there is
nothing more precious to me than finding an error and overcome it.

When i was young i heard about Barbara Arrowsmith-Young, at a young age
she had severe cognitive problems,when she talked to her father about the situation,
he said " to fix a problem, you must understand it"
the problem was her brain, so she became a worldwide known neuroscientist
by doin a massiv restorativ neuroplastification on herself.
Some said that her story is contreversial,but thats really not important,
because for me, i saw the possiblities of what a "perfect" brain could reach,
and fall in love with neuroscience and then the whole scientifical world.

That's interesting. Could you list some of these possibilities?

Quote :
But i forgot philosophy never tought about it, i mean what a man that lived
2000 years ago could teach me ,seriously, i would not bet on it.
So what's happen, i was on wikipedia and sometime i clic on
random articles for the fun of it, this time it was Nietzsche bio,
i saw that he was the main philosopher of the nazis and i saw the word
ubermensh then i rapidly close the window for the reasons you can imagine.
A year later i was in the need of new ideas, so philosophy
came to my mind because i had no better idea, but i didnt want to loose a
tremendous time to read them all, so i search on google "who is the best philosopher"
many people post different top five but one guy said only Nietzsche, that shocked me,
the rest is history.


I think Nietzsche is the smartest man of all time( or one of the smartest for the people
who have a different point of view of what intelligence is),

I think he is foremost the bravest. Therefore his texts are the most human, and that causes them to cause his readers to truly reflect on their values and how they arrive at them. (Such as what makes me fear or love Nietzsche) and that in turn paves the ground for thinking.

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He is teaching us how to reach the perfect thinking system by presenting
us different mind tools, every time you understand one of the tool,
it give you acces to a new tool( he said himself that he writes in a single page something
that take several tome for another philosopher)once you understand all the tools you realise
that he didnt want to systematize his philosophy because thats the final job of the reader ,like a final test,
Once you understand the final mind tool, the will to power, you completly connected to Nietzsche, and start
to reach his conclusion by yourself.

Also, there is never any need or possibility to systematize sublime things with each other. All tools he gave stand apart as outstanding creations, they are too vital to cram them into an overarching system like Kant tries to do.

Quote :
Nietzsche is giving us the absolute power, if you see the reality through those tools, the transvaluation become
operational and your choices are now based on a whole new perspectiv that came with it.
In another words our mind work in an algorithmic way, but for the average human ,the mind can not reach his full potential
because his mind work on different biased algorithm that are in conflict with eachother,
What Nietzsche give us is one huge algorithm that operate on every toughts, opinion, ideas, he give us the core
that connect everything in our brain, when the inconscious part of the brain learn perfectly how to use it, your thinking
improve exponentially, once you reach your full potential, you realize what real power is, it can give you tears of joy, like you won the lottery.

Yes. There is one point where his philosophy was not yet perfected - he himself called his work a prelude to a philosophy of the future - and this is the precise relation of value and power.

I resolved this matter by the philosophy that inspired Capable and myself to build this forum. That philosophy is called value ontology. It describes how quanta of power relate to each other; by which standard they measure their powers against each other.

Say, if an 80 year old genius of English literature is pitched against a 400 pound football player, it depends on the standard which of them is going to win. Which value is the aim? An interpretation of Hamlet, or some great athletic feat? That is how the concept 'self-valuing' came about.

The literature genius values the world in terms of his powers, so does the football player; their real competition is only ad posteriori who is the strongest; the struggle of the present is always for who gets to set the standard of victory and the rules of the game that any situation constitutes.

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Take into consideration that our brain possesses different types of neurons, there is a very important type of neuron that can reach very long
distance all over the brain and improve the interactivity of different regions, but where they go ,depend on how you think in general.

To reach a full understanding of the will to power, you must overcome the limits of human language because our thinking system
is completly based on it (Nietzsche said "every word is a prejudice")
So that in mind, you must understand this sentence from Nietzsche : "A specific name for this reality would be “the will to power” – in other words a designation from within, not based on its elusive, fluid, protean nature".

I find this to be correct.

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To give an easy example, we gonna use the will to power at the human scale, so our human will to power can take many forms, a tief wanting to steal a million dollar see enormous "power" in this money that will make him feel superior, his "vision" of the power lead him to this operation, on the other hand you have the generous man that give a lot of money to the poors, his "vision" of the power that make him feel superior to other being is based on generosity and kindness,  but in both case those two man are at work for reaching what they "want" they are both metaphorically selfish, because you dont want to do something that the brain will not reward with dopamine and serotonine.

Surely. But what brings about the productions of hormones and enzymes on a philosophical level? I believe that is the proper question to be addressed now. What causes eudaimonia? It is not good enough for my standard to stop at identifying its correlated chemistries.

"Atom" and "hydrogen" and "carbon" and "synapse" and "neuron" are after all also all words, prejudices.

We need to understand the process without the help of any words.

This is what I have been doing the part 20 years. It has rewarded me with great power and influence, but mostly with happiness and the life I wish to live; a giving, creative life. Nietzsche called this: The Bestowing Virtue.

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At a deeper level, the will to power operate at every scale of reality, you can see it clearly by observing the universe through
13.5 billion years, in the beggining its all messed up, in the end its all organized with a universe populated by billions of
billions of alien worlds.
At a scientifical level you can observe it by the fact that it took 99% of the time of the human race to reach only 1% of
the total unknown knowledges but with the actual trends it will take only 1% of the time to reach the 99% left.

But this doesn't matter, as our relative perception of time changes with the density of change; time slows down because of the complexity of the process. This is what Einstein figured out after Nietzsche. It is the same thought, but expressed in mathematics.  

Again, it is the value-standard which determines the power level; or the ontological quality which determines the epistemic quantification.

In value ontology, ontology and epistemology are the same; a unit of knowledge represents directly a unit of Being - with the result that knowledge and being known is no longer tyranny, but nourishment. This is how animals 'know' - but the word has distracted the human brain from itself, from its being.

Now, the brain is returning to its being. True to the Earth.

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Now back to the human scale, understanding, the will to power of every man and women put you clearly in a superior situation because you can
control their "selfishness", you can use their desires or improve them to get what you want, an absolut control of their will, with great power comes great responsability !
Just think of how much powerfull the tought of reaching the possibility of reversing ageing process is, what would Nietzsche think of that, what an ubermensh would think of that ? im asking you !

A true Nietzschean affirms life as it is, including death, and age. Longer life is only justified by superior health. Health is the aim; a healthy heart and mind foremost; thus a complete indulging of the mind in the physical.  
Transhumanism is a moving away from the Earth.

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but as much a truth can be powerfull, its who and how many people believe in it, that really matter.

I know how to reach tremendous amount of money for science in one plan, i just need specific people to reach specific
people that will lead me to other specific people, the most diffcult part of my plan is right now, reaching the first specific person,
an expert of Nietzsche with the same interpretation, so i decide to use the magic of internet !

Do you want to know why money will become obsolet ?

I might want to hear what you think about it, but I'll need you to prove it to convince me. As Bergson said, the future can not be derived from the present. The present is rather derived from the future(s);

Since man has become aware of death and of himself and time, of being, and required Dasein, his actions have been commanded by whatever he imagined to be his possible futures. Dasein draws as the bridge concept along the banks of the pure flux the cultivating from the self-valuing into the world, its dharma, as it draws itself from its future.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:23 pm

Money is basically "space" for human value-power to move around in. It allows for progression, "time", without clunky definiteness that  has no place in nature. Money is rightly called the grease of the world. It is silly to accumulate monetary wealth, money has no value as a standing resource. It only stagnates the flow of the world that way. A world with many different currencies is the richest and fullest world. Value is created and increased by value-transactions. The world is 'magical' - i.e. unfathomably effective and, money is a magical tool. All we need to do is start valuing it as we value nature; this will end the ridiculous concoctions that now are built to press a power out of it that it not only doesn't have, but would contradict its nature as magical grease. Moneys magic is the reason some wish to abolish it, in my opinion. But if they manage they will only put themselves out of power, because the method of money transaction is an Idea. This is why the British had not joined the Euro - they had great benefit from the suckers that did join though - now they alone in Europe, with the Swiss and others who were powerful enough to realize what wisdom was, still have power, self-value, they still are a standard, they can still generate value with other standards.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:05 pm

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That's interesting. Could you list some of these possibilities?

Its simple, if people with tremendous brain disabilities can become neuroscientist, what someone with a perfect brain can do ? example : Nietzsche :p

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Also, there is never any need or possibility to systematize sublime things with each other. All tools he gave stand apart as outstanding creations, they are too vital to cram them into an overarching system like Kant tries to do.

It's absolutly possible, "sublime things"  of any kind, have the "similarity" to be powerful trough your point of view.
The "antisystematization" of Nietzsche is paradoxal, because every system have the same particularity: they fight/exist/programmed according to the will to power at every scale of their state of existence, they all methaphorically "want" more power.

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It describes how quanta of power relate to each other; by which standard they measure their powers against each other.

Any object of any kind that exist in our reality interact trough the will to power, you must see the word "will" and "power"as a multidirectional words,  you can't apply a human "will" to an atom for example, the "will"of the atom is on a different scale, but you can see what subatomic particals can do,they increase the possibilities of reaching more power for the whole universe, and we humans , we do everything for reaching more power, more possibilities, more domination over the known reality for, wait for it...."ourselfs".

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Surely. But what brings about the productions of hormones and enzymes on a philosophical level? I believe that is the proper question to be addressed now. What causes eudaimonia ?

Eudaimonia is caused by your vision of the power, lets take a good example, the case of Grigori Perelman, who refused a million dollars for his mathematical breaktrough, this amount of money could put any of our 7 billion peoples in a state of trance, Grigori didnt even take it for giving to charity or something, his vision of the power is absolutly not based on money( or on helping poor people xD), why brain chemical knowledges are important at philosophical level ? because everything you do is for a selfish purpose, the brain release sweet chemicals when you obey to your vision of the power.

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But this doesn't matter, as our relative perception of time changes with the density of change; time slows down because of the complexity of the process. This is what Einstein figured out after Nietzsche. It is the same thought, but expressed in mathematics.

I didnt talk of our perception of time itself but only on what happened, what happening and what will happen !

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Now, the brain is returning to its being. True to the Earth.

This part is important, Nietzsche asking us to throw everything that is not connected to our physical world, like morality based on imaginary realitys, to reach our natural instinct, the instinct of the will to power, to conquer , to accumulate power based on your vision of it, to overcome any obstacles, Nietzsche asking us to become "real" Gods(methaphorically speaking).He asking you to reach an absolute "love" of yourself, when you reach an absolute state of "selfishness", you understand what is all about, you reach, like Nietzsche call it himself in Beyond Good and Evil, "The Absolute Will to Power".
That where the Eternal Return (my favorite :p) came in:

If you had to live the same life over and over again for the entire eternity, would you prefer to live a short life as a slave in pain 24/7 or as a powerful ubermensh that doesnt age at all and reach nanotechnological period that give him 1000 IQ with an absolute control over his "Eudaimonia" ?

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A true Nietzschean affirms life as it is, including death, and age. Longer life is only justified by superior health. Health is the aim; a healthy heart and mind foremost; thus a complete indulging of the mind in the physical.  
Transhumanism is a moving away from the Earth.

Methaphorically speaking if life wanted to experiment death she would not exist at all, so to affirm life you need more life,
i will not affirm my neurodegeneration because i have 90 years ?? at this age you cant affirm anything, my step dad is very old and i assure you that the pain he get from his age is absolutly heartbreaking, i love him and i dont accept his futur death.

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I might want to hear what you think about it, but I'll need you to prove it to convince me

For that i need to explain you the whole story of transhumanism, tell me when you ready !


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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:33 pm

Nice discussion here. And welcome, by the way. Please know that your thoughts and ideas are sincerely welcomed here.

To sum my main critique of Nietzsche into as few words as possible: yes everything is always "willing to (its) power", but that is purely formal; what is power and why and how are more central philosophically potent concerns than the simply formal acknowledgment of power-willing. Not all powers are created equal, or are equal, or even really matter that much.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:56 pm

thanks mate !

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what is power and why and how are more central philosophically potent concerns than the simply formal acknowledgment of power-willing

what is power ? you can only have a subjectiv answer to that one, so you must pick the answer that you judge is the most powerfull to you ahah :p
Why ? well that is very philosophical, i have my own opinions but i prefer inspire you trough Nietzsche :

Oh mankind, pray!
What does deep midnight have to say?
"From sleep, from sleep—
From deepest dream I made my way:—
The world is deep,
And deeper than the grasp of day.
Deep is its pain—,
Joy—deeper still than misery:
Pain says: Refrain!
Yet all joy wants eternity—
—Wants deep, wants deep eternity."

On How ? an army of scientists are working on it and we, philosophers , must help them !
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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:20 am

myki wrote:
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That's interesting. Could you list some of these possibilities?

Its simple, if people with tremendous brain disabilities can become neuroscientist, what someone with a perfect brain can do ? example : Nietzsche :p

Don't play me kid...
Seriously, give me some human ideas, impressions, inspirations. I need to know this is living in you day and night.

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Also, there is never any need or possibility to systematize sublime things with each other. All tools he gave stand apart as outstanding creations, they are too vital to cram them into an overarching system like Kant tries to do.

It's absolutly possible, "sublime things"  of any kind, have the "similarity" to be powerful trough your point of view.
The "antisystematization" of Nietzsche is paradoxal, because every system have the same particularity: they fight/exist/programmed according to the will to power at every scale of their state of existence, they all methaphorically "want" more power.

When someone develops his own generative logic, it assimilates all things that helped him get there.

I used a lot of Nietzsche's concepts to arrive at value ontology, but had to reject the ER. At least in the literal sense. Not only is it logically based on an outdated system, but it is constraining for those who want life even more than Nietzsche. We may want the eternal recurrence of ever more - it could be that this life is not even hard enough. That is a supermanly perspective as I see it. Overcome the master by doing more justice to his best concept than he managed to, as he was also busy with lesser concept that simply encouraged and inspired him to move on.

I was nauseated when I reached the end of the Seven Seals in the original language - it is the chapter i like the least, save for the 4th book which I think is farcical entirely, compared to the second and first books which contain more wisdom than any other writing that Ive read. I still have to decide about the third book as a whole, but I am in no hurry as Nietzsche will be in my blood forever.

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It describes how quanta of power relate to each other; by which standard they measure their powers against each other.

Any object of any kind that exist in our reality interact trough the will to power, you must see the word "will" and "power"as a multidirectional words,  you can't apply a human "will" to an atom for example, the "will"of the atom is on a different scale, but you can see what subatomic particals can do,they increase the possibilities of reaching more power for the whole universe, and we humans , we do everything for reaching more power, more possibilities, more domination over the known reality for, wait for it...."ourselfs".

Since you do understand the basics, you 'must' now learn that the will to power commands me, as well as you - you 'must' therefore not say to me that I 'must' do stuff, as it raises contempt. Every Nietzschean understands this basic concept. It is only a matter of who can apply it best. Thus, who can value it in its proper terms; who can be the most powerful of all wills. That is a matter of quality, of earthy, organic physiological quality, here and now.

I admire your story about your Elder. But it does not point me in the same way. I have seen two grandfathers wither away physically. And yet I was proud of them and happy of precisely how they had lived and dealt with their tremendous suffering by rising in their society to do great intellectual and ethical feats and be admired by the best of the nation. And what is more, they themselves, in their physical misery, remained happy in their pride. They maintained their values. A good death is the result. One is well remembered, like Achilles.

The battle you choose is the path Achilles rejected.
I am not rejecting your path per se - but I am not a transhumanist. I am the opposite.

Science is good when it helps, but medicine is far more effective when it isnt engineered, but evoked. Shamanism must come to rule technocracy.

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Surely. But what brings about the productions of hormones and enzymes on a philosophical level? I believe that is the proper question to be addressed now. What causes eudaimonia ?

Eudaimonia is caused by your vision of the power, lets take a good example, the case of Grigori Perelman, who refused a million dollars for his mathematical breaktrough, this amount of money could put any of our 7 billion peoples in a state of trance, Grigori didnt even take it for giving to charity or something, his vision of the power is absolutly not based on money( or on helping poor people xD), why brain chemical knowledges are important at philosophical level ? because everything you do is for a selfish purpose, the brain release sweet chemicals when you obey to your vision of the power.

That is nicely phrased. Someone will gain insight reading this. You do understand your philosopher.

Nietzsche provides methods of freedom for brave people. Freedom and bravery and intelligence and power are all very much alike. We are born into language as slaves to these silly words and must find our own coherence in them. Nietzsche uses words as they are; materials. They are in no direct sense representations of objects, as is proven if you open a book in a language that is new to you. N's words are like marble, iron, and light; they form a palpable experience to those that are looking at it as such. It is not even correct to say he is aphoristic, as this puts him in a category of style, whereas his aphorisms have nothing in common with traditional aphorisms. They are now like Greek spells in a Dionysian mystery temple, then like exact logical formula, then anecdotes, then characterizations, then history lessons, then scolding of his old friends, then poetry again, but in all of it is the same hand, utterly clear. I believe this is the deepest message Nietzsche brings us; to build character, and by character develop style, which is the only way to learn to swim in the soup of words that are all, word for word, prejudices.

To affirm prejudice as such - otherwise we are unfairly prejudiced against life.

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But this doesn't matter, as our relative perception of time changes with the density of change; time slows down because of the complexity of the process. This is what Einstein figured out after Nietzsche. It is the same thought, but expressed in mathematics.

I didnt talk of our perception of time itself but only on what happened, what happening and what will happen !

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Now, the brain is returning to its being. True to the Earth.

This part is important, Nietzsche asking us to throw everything that is not connected to our physical world, like morality based on imaginary realitys, to reach our natural instinct, the instinct of the will to power, to conquer , to accumulate power based on your vision of it, to overcome any obstacles, Nietzsche asking us to become "real" Gods(methaphorically speaking), the ubermensh is the bridge.He asking you to reach an absolute "love" of yourself, when you reach an absolute state of "selfishness", you understand what is all about, you reach, like Nietzsche call it himself in Beyond Good and Evil, "The Absolute Will to Power".
That where the Eternal Return (my favorite :p) came in:

If you had to live the same life over and over again for the entire eternity, would you prefer to live a short life as a slave in pain 24/7 or as a powerful ubermensh that doesnt age at all and reach nanotechnological period that give him 1000 IQ with an absolute control over his "Eudaimonia" ?

What if you are already bursting with happiness every second? You could not want to change your nature. I would never agree to change into some other creature with higher stats. It wasnt ever hard for me to affirm my recurrence, but I needed more, as I saw more, deeper, as I am privileged, a man of technocracy and shamanism in the 21st century who has seen the entire world and have found happiness in love - all without losing the laserlike Nietzschean will to the superman. I took the right to make a path where Nietzsche only pointed, as I had that might. Now I'm his equal, even though he is my master and I am not his. In a sense, I have more of his own power than he did. This is where my loyalty comes in. Loyalty is the highest growth-inspiring value. Loyalty is connection by strong values, it combines powers, wills, it becomes a new willing-to-power, a greater being, e.g. an army or a family or a movie project or a romance, or a political movement based on shared ideals represented by a figurehead to whom one is loyal -  etc. My loyalty is to Nietzsche, as I share his taste.

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A true Nietzschean affirms life as it is, including death, and age. Longer life is only justified by superior health. Health is the aim; a healthy heart and mind foremost; thus a complete indulging of the mind in the physical.  
Transhumanism is a moving away from the Earth.

Methaphorically speaking if life wanted to experiment death she would not exist at all, so to affirm life you need more life,
i will not affirm my neurodegeneration because i have 90 years ?? at this age you cant affirm anything, my step dad is very old and i assure you that the pain he get from his age is absolutly heartbreaking, i love him and i dont accept his futur death.

You really don't accept it? But you must. Maybe you are still too materialistic - Nietzsche does not deny the spirit, he just knows that there is no god. What lives on beyond death is values, and values are the only important thing.

Man must be able to smile on his deathbed - that is the mission. One must be proud of ones life, so that life becomes a circle, that wants to start again. And it will, because life is infinitely vaster than a single perspective can contain the measure of. Does Achilles not still live on? Who is to say there isnt some form of identity of experience still in him, through how we carry his actions in our myths and daily lives? Arent we the same thing for bacteria, as Achilles is to our culture? And is a culture conscious, sentient? I think it could very well be. Ancestral patterns, gods of the (s)oil, etc; I believe in Odin, not because I chose to, but because I was chosen to.  I accept that; I am human, I have gods. Just no stupid belief in a creator god or a big bang. Time can not escape itself, there is no beginning.

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For that i need to explain you the whole story of transhumanism, tell me when you ready !

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PostSubject: I rely on my pride for wisdom, even the wisdom to contain my pride.    Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:55 am

I'll add for good measure that of course one does not have to be this or that type to be a good willing to power; I use my grandfathers as examples, as I happen to have had these men as examples, and what I said is just the truth about their lives as Ive experienced them growing up and learning about what they did before I was here. They are standards to me, prime values and irreducible to anything outside of themselves. I know thus also that they, as all decent men, both would frown on me for hailing their status as the standard of their character. They were just reliable, caring and well-fighting men, and happened to be somehow bound for glory, which is nice and should not be frowned upon. (I rely on my pride for wisdom, even the wisdom to contain my pride. ) One was a man of the people, which I am not, the other was a scowling intellectual, which indeed I am.  The latter was my fathers father. I affirm my angry nature, I love it in fact. Know thyself - but first love thyself. That is the order, otherwise one comes to know a monster, and not oneself - for one is only love and a certain degree of power to accept that.

Love is as we all know the bringer of the most bewildering despair, as well as of the deepest happiness. Philosophy proper is a state of being constantly in love and beloved - some with, others without the nausea. From this state we write, affirm our natures, and we grow like trees, so that men can breathe.

Anyway, welcome to the Nietzsche Campfire. We took a torch from another one that died out somewhere due to Christians owning the land.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:52 pm

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Don't play me kid... Seriously, give me some human ideas, impressions, inspirations. I need to know this is living in you day and night.

Im sorry sir, but im dead serious, what im saying is: are own intelligence can be controlled by our will, if someone is really really really smart(like Nietzsche) and understand the weakness and the strenghts of how the brain/mind works , he theoretically in the most powerfull situation you can think of, any toughts beyond this, are subjected to the allegory of plato's cave, ( in short if you cant see it, you cant understand it, you must break your chains , get out of the cave and see it by yourself, but remember at first,  the light is so strong that your eyes need some time to adapt)

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but had to reject the ER

Let me tell you a story, after the guy who posted Nietzsche as the best philosopher, one of the first thing i read of him was about the eternal return
but not the version of the gaya scienza or zarathustra one,i was reading one of his famous posthumous fragments, check this out,  Nietzsche himself was so sure about his idea that he went to see a mathematician or scientist or  whatever i dont remember, to get some external toughts about this :

Nietzsche words :
"The will to power is an amount of force; the universe is composed by a finite numbers of forces but the time is infinite , by conclusion , all possible combinations should therefore be able to return an infinite number of times."

At this moment, i knew i found my master and whatever he would said to me i would believe it even if it wasnt true, why ?
10 years ago i posted on a science forum about this exact idea, i was young, my post is still there, my question was more advanced than Nietzsche but only because we have more knowledge about the universe in our time and the funnniest part is that it was the biggest science forum of france (so with a lot of "scientist" )and i didnt even get any satisfactory answers :/

I was completly amazed that a philosopher could reach that groundbreaking fact in an age so remote !!

I took him very seriously at this point, Nietzsche build his philosophy to reject bad readers by putting different "trap"/"enigma", only someone with the "eyes", "the ears" and the "will" can enter in his world, once you in, Nietzsche need you in a state of a complete fanatization, in another words make the brain think that every words he says is pur money, because neuroplasticity will reach full potential on a "greedy" state therefore, the brain can learn faster !


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Thus, who can value it in its proper terms; who can be the most powerful of all wills. That is a matter of quality, of earthy, organic physiological quality, here and now.

i think "Overcoming" is the most important act with "dreaming bigger"

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but I am not a transhumanist. I am the opposite.

You use technology to improve your life somehow ? like let's say...internet ! Therefore by defnition you are a transhumanist !

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Science is good when it helps, but medicine is far more effective when it isnt engineered, but evoked. Shamanism must come to rule technocracy.

You lost me there...

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You really don't accept it? But you must. Maybe you are still too materialistic

I dont accept it as an obstacle that we must overcome, based on my will to improve our experience of life.

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Nietzsche does not deny the spirit, he just knows that there is no god

No, Nietzsche said god doesnt exist, but he didnt said  that he could not exist in the futur ,you must call your will :

What type of universe you prefer to build ? a perfect one may be ? my will lead me to a universe that aloud me to live billions of billions of years.

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Man must be able to smile on his deathbed

We have 3 billions years of evolution that make fear of death something that a normal brain will experience as one of the highest depleasure otherwise we would not be there to smile !
Only an absolut pain can overcome the limits of that fear !

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You could not want to change your nature

Not wanting to change your nature is an expression of your will based on your vision of the power, "you dont "want" to change",  that your objectif and you "want" reach it, that all i can see.

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political movement based on shared ideals represented by a figurehead to whom one is loyal

Nietzschean dont do politics, politics is a job( and you must get your hands dirty or you done) ,you dont have the 75% of the day for yourself recommended by Nietzsche,otherwise you are in a state of slavery, beside, you cant reach large amount of people with complex ideas.

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:45 pm

Writing in at a critical point here: what is really meant by "joy craves deep eternity"? This is metaphorical: Nietzsche wasn't saying that joy wants to live forever, as if that were the fundamental meaning of joy; he was saying that joy is a logic of self-reference and self-sufficiency (self-valuing) in such a way that a circular logic obtains whereby joy "is itself" and progressively collapses into itself as a kind of pure Affirmation. This is basically a point about desire, which was further elaborated thanks to psychoanalysis.

If you truly want (desire to) live forever then this only means that you're desiring the desiring itself, you desire to desire, which is both a perversion of desire and the basic logic of our (post)modern world. This leads to commodity fetishism among other things, but the point is that Nietzsche was not saying we should or are trying to live forever in so far as we desire. He was saying more or less than desire is self-contained logic.

Strictly speaking, death has no philosophical value or meaning at all; neither does life itself, nor pleasure or pain. These are not philosophical in any real way. Yes the Eternal Retuen and Amor Fati are central to Nietzsche, but that is only because Nietzsche lacked psychoanalytic theory and concepts. You should read N's notions of ER and Amor Fati as his fledgling attempt to construct a psychoanalysis of subjectivity more or less from scratch.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:52 pm

Desiring to desire is the methodology of a drug addict. That isn't at all about Brain chemicals, quite the opposite: the drug addict is (ab)using his chemistry for the end of pathological desiring to desire, essentially the drug addict is a young child or infant psyche transposed into an adult body.

Every desire has its own unique existential history and realm of meaning, what we call emotions are not merely chemicals nor expression of power-willing, but are actually reconstructions of some past chain of meaning in the present. The object of desire holds secreted within itself the raison d'etre of that desire, which is a pure philosophical space. The "desiring" itself is only a way that nature figured out how to make us capable of responding to truths as such.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:57 pm

By the way, I was only able to reach this threshold of understanding because I started to take Hegel seriously. Something Nietzsche apparently never did.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:04 pm

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Desiring to not desiring still let you in a state of desiring
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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:08 pm

There's nothing wrong with desiring to desire, we all do, it's the shadow of the Real of our subjectivity qua desire-activity. But elevating this fact into some kind of ontological Truth is the philosophical parallel of the same error that the child or drug addict commit. To use desiring in his purely formal way is to disabuse desire of its contents, to distort objects and contents of our very subjectivity to which desire is always already a reference to begin with.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:27 pm

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But elevating this fact into some kind of ontological Truth is the philosophical parallel of the same error that the child or drug addict commit.

the will to power is not a will to joy, joy is a residuel effect of reaching more power.

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Writing in at a critical point here: what is really meant by "joy craves deep eternity"? This is metaphorical: Nietzsche wasn't saying that joy wants to live forever, as if that were the fundamental meaning of joy; he was saying that joy is a logic of self-reference and self-sufficiency (self-valuing) in such a way that a circular logic obtains whereby joy "is itself" and progressively collapses into itself as a kind of pure Affirmation. This is basically a point about desire, which was further elaborated thanks to psychoanalysis.
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It was poetry, rules are different, and yes from the point of view of the joy as an entity, joy want eternity !

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If you truly want (desire to) live forever then this only means that you're desiring the desiring itself, you desire to desire, which is both a perversion of desire and the basic logic of our (post)modern world

I think i have the right to desire to live forever and i have the right to desire desiring to, guilty
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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:21 am

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Don't play me kid... Seriously, give me some human ideas, impressions, inspirations. I need to know this is living in you day and night.

Im sorry sir, but im dead serious, what im saying is: are own intelligence can be controlled by our will, if someone is really really really smart(like Nietzsche) and understand the weakness and the strenghts of how the brain/mind works , he theoretically in the most powerfull situation you can think of, any toughts beyond this, are subjected to the allegory of plato's cave, ( in short if you cant see it, you cant understand it, you must break your chains , get out of the cave and see it by yourself, but remember at first,  the light is so strong that your eyes need some time to adapt)

This is still too vague; let's be realistic. Scientists have no clue yet how the brain works. They know areas and types of cells, and where processes take place, but there is zero informaton on how the physical processes translate into experience... who says it isnt the other way around? Nietzsche says basically that it is the other way around; the will to power is prior to matter, more subtle, deeper, it is what matter is made of. We can not try to understand the will to power as materalists. Nietzsche is no materialist, as you can read very clearly in Beyond Good and Evil.

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but had to reject the ER

Let me tell you a story, after the guy who posted Nietzsche as the best philosopher, one of the first thing i read of him was about the eternal return
but not the version of the gaya scienza or zarathustra one,i was reading one of his famous posthumous fragments, check this out,  Nietzsche himself was so sure about his idea that he went to see a mathematician or scientist or  whatever i dont remember, to get some external toughts about this :

Nietzsche words :
"The will to power is an amount of force; the universe is composed by a finite numbers of forces but the time is infinite , by conclusion , all possible combinations should therefore be able to return an infinite number of times."

At this moment, i knew i found my master and whatever he would said to me i would believe it even if it wasnt true, why ?
10 years ago i posted on a science forum about this exact idea, i was young, my post is still there, my question was more advanced than Nietzsche but only because we have more knowledge about the universe in our time and the funnniest part is that it was the biggest science forum of france (so with a lot of "scientist" )and i didnt even get any satisfactory answers :/

I was completly amazed that a philosopher could reach that groundbreaking fact in an age so remote !!

I took him very seriously at this point, Nietzsche build his philosophy to reject bad readers by putting different "trap"/"enigma", only someone with the "eyes", "the ears" and the "will" can enter in his world, once you in, Nietzsche need you in a state of a complete fanatization, in another words make the brain think that every words he says is pur money, because neuroplasticity will reach full potential on a "greedy" state therefore, the brain can learn faster !

I have no desire to rid you of your passion. Just accept that I see it differently and we'll get along fine.  (There is no definitive number of particles, nor is there an absolute minimum size - the universe simply isnt finite, nor is it made out of completely discrete objects. The wills Nietzsche identifies are transient; they amount in something else, a consistency of valuing. Ive called this self-valuing, not because there is a self that values, but because there is a valuing that arrives, by valuing the world in terms of its own quality and power, back on itself on a higher, or lower, or similar arc; it is a valuing that values it-self. The valuing persists, but there is no self; we never stand in the same river twice, nor does any river run past the same object twice.

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Thus, who can value it in its proper terms; who can be the most powerful of all wills. That is a matter of quality, of earthy, organic physiological quality, here and now.

i think "Overcoming" is the most important act with "dreaming bigger"

Will and Imagination - not only imagination - I recommend reading Schopenhauer on the side, Nietzsche would not have arrived at his WTP insight without Schopenhauers ideas.

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but I am not a transhumanist. I am the opposite.

You use technology to improve your life somehow ? like let's say...internet ! Therefore by defnition you are a transhumanist !

So a bird using a twig to build a nest is a trans-birdist?
Only people who let their tools dominate themselves are transhumanist. They've given up on the human, and take the road away from the superman, to more comfort and less overcoming. I use the internet to work for me in the terms of my nature. Hence, this site. I spend all my time online either here or writing with friends elsewhere, always to the same end; the grow the tree of philosophy, the first one that has born fruit on the internet.

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Science is good when it helps, but medicine is far more effective when it isnt engineered, but evoked. Shamanism must come to rule technocracy.

You lost me there...

Spend some time here, read my posts, I am a shaman. My view is feep an comprehensive, and since you are at loss at what to me is a clearly comprehensible statement of no particularly high  difficulty, I know from experience that I will get insulted if you do not do justice to what I present to you.

Nietzsche was also a shaman.

"I could nto believe in a god that does not know how to dance."
"Stay true to the Earth, brethern!"

Nimble feet, strong calves - the Nietzschean 'ten voeten uit' - from the feet up -
who doesnt dance in fire can not know Nietzsche.

So I take it you have dance in you. Explore this, is my advice. Forget transhumanism for now... though of course, you will not, I will still say it to you.

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You really don't accept it? But you must. Maybe you are still too materialistic

I dont accept it as an obstacle that we must overcome, based on my will to improve our experience of life.

Here we differ so much as no human differs from an animal - Nietzsche says that humans are more different form each other than they are from animals.

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Nietzsche does not deny the spirit, he just knows that there is no god

No, Nietzsche said god doesnt exist, but he didnt said  that he could not exist in the futur ,you must call your will :

What type of universe you prefer to build ? a perfect one may be ? my will lead me to a universe that aloud me to live billions of billions of years.

I have alreay hijacked the universe.

http://beforethelight.forumotion.com/t3-from-humble-soul-searching-to-hijacking-the-universe

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Man must be able to smile on his deathbed

We have 3 billions years of evolution that make fear of death something that a normal brain will experience as one of the highest depleasure otherwise we would not be there to smile !
Only an absolut pain can overcome the limits of that fear !

You speak from your experience, I speak from mine. Our worlds do not coincide here - and I am glad for it.
It seems to me that you truly do not affirm this life - unless you personally are capable of creating this enormous lifespan, which certainly I would applaud!
But not because I wish to escape my  current state, rather because I wish more of it.

I will work with you if you have scientific work underway - but for different reasons. My specialty is an enhancement of powers chemistry, nuclear physics, and sub-particle physis, I have understood Relativity from inside, and have decyperhed the riddle Einstein died with, namely why there seems to be no unifying paradigm that includes all scales. The answer is, there isnt. There is no Totality. It is not a thing that can be logically argued for, as all logical sets have their contradictions. The set of all sets is not a particular that can be identified against another one: the law f identity breaks at this point. Hende, instea of "A" = "A", we have "A"><"A" or something to that extent; the measure by which one instance A is different from nothing, is the same measure by which the second instance A differs from nothing, but ontology does not provide for more similarity than this. As soon as the two A's would come synthetically together, it becomes apparent that they are far from the same; Aristotelean mathematics is a lie, Descartes functionalized it to a useful pattern, seeing rather the potency of the lie than the truth. Descartes is the most powerful philosopher in terms of getting things done.

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You could not want to change your nature

Not wanting to change your nature is an expression of your will based on your vision of the power, "you dont "want" to change",  that your objectif and you "want" reach it, that all i can see.

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political movement based on shared ideals represented by a figurehead to whom one is loyal

Nietzschean dont do politics, politics is a job( and you must get your hands dirty or you done) ,you dont have the 75% of the day for yourself recommended by Nietzsche,otherwise you are in a state of slavery, beside, you cant reach large amount of people with complex ideas.

No, friend. The will to power is fundamentally political.

From his notes:

"4. The Masters of the Earth

958 (1884)

I write for a species of man that does not yet exist: for the "masters
of the earth . "

Religions, as consolations and relaxations, dangerous: man believes he
has a right to take his ease.

In Plato's Theages it is written: "Each one of us would like to be
master over all men, if possible, and best of all God." This attitude
must exist again.

Englishmen, Americans, and Russians

960 (1885-1886)

From now on there will be more favorable preconditions for more
comprehensive forms of dominion, whose like has never yet existed. And
even this is not the most important thing; the possibility has been
established for the production of international racial unions whose task
will be to rear a master race, the future "masters of the earth"; --a
new, tremendous aristocracy, based on the severest self-legislation, in
which the will of philosophical men of power and artist-tyrants will be
made to endure for millennia--a higher kind of man who, thanks to their
superiority in will, knowledge, riches, and influence, employ democratic
Europe as their most pliant and supple instrument for getting hold of
the destinies of the earth, so as to work as artists upon "man" himself.
Enough: the time is coming when politics will have a different meaning. "

https://archive.org/stream/TheWillToPower-Nietzsche/will_to_power-nietzsche_djvu.txt

His political views are very bloody.

"some pack of blond beasts of prey, a conueror and master race which, organised for war and with the ability to or ganise, un hesitatingly lays its terrible claws upon a populace perhaps tremendously spe rior in numbers but still formless and nomad." (GM)

https://archive.org/stream/TheWillToPower-Nietzsche/will_to_power-nietzsche_djvu.txt

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It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers.
He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of readers--and spirit itself will stink.
Every one being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run not only writing but also thinking.
Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it even becometh populace.
He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart.
In the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but for that route thou must have long legs. Proverbs should be peaks, and those spoken to should be big and tall.
The atmosphere rare and pure, danger near and the spirit full of a joyful wickedness: thus are things well matched.
I want to have goblins about me, for I am courageous. The courage which scareth away ghosts, createth for itself goblins--it wanteth to laugh.”

Zarathustra is wise before he becomes a fool. He goes mad when he is no longer a goblin, but a ring - he has lost his soil.

But this was justified - as Europe was about to crack open, and this abyss is still widening.
At the very bottom of this abyss we may find new ground, and old gods from Scandinavia and Greece are returning.

"All weathers are wild, you know what this means?
Wolf ages, axe ages... when evil Disirs fly"

This is a text of Odin, a typical vision of a tectonic shift in the world of the European races.
This shift is upon us now. In Russia, man is bracing for a nuclear holocaust as the west prepares to elect the woman that will press the button.

A woman as leader of the world - and a wretched & murderous one - even Nietzsche would tremble now. We will see, but Odin will prevail either way.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Nietzschean Cauldron    Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:48 am

Fixed cross, like i said, im a nietzschean expert, everything we are talking about here is very serious, and since you said that you are a real philosopher and same for other people that are here,  i have to prove myself to my collegues, who watching this debate to trust me on my plan: from every thing you said, i must conclude that you didnt understood Nietzsche, im sorry but i reached my "Genkaï".

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This is still too vague; let's be realistic. Scientists have no clue yet how the brain works. They know areas and types of cells, and where processes take place, but there is zero informaton on how the physical processes translate into experience...


Listen to yourself : "there is zero !!  informations on how the physical processes translate into experience" , ''We have no clue on how the brains works'' ?!!!

Are you really serious there ?

Im sorry but you have no clue on how advanced in neuroscience we are right now, can talk about this for hours, but agree to disagree.
Science is really not your thing i guess, "zero informations" sounds very sad from a self called philosopher.

Lets see about what Nietzsche says: "Consciousness is the last and the latest evolution of organic life, and therefore it is not accomplished and fragile."

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-04-strategic-intellectual-capacity.html


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We can not try to understand the will to power as materalists

The will to power is an observational mind tool, you must look things trough it,like a microscop, then you see how things work, then you start to predict things from your subsequent observations.

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have no desire to rid you of your passion. Just accept that I see it differently and we'll get along fine.  (There is no definitive number of particles, nor is there an absolute minimum size - the universe simply isnt finite, nor is it made out of completely discrete objects.

Search youtube : Googol and Googolplex - Numberphile       and then tell me if Nietzsche is wrong !

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Will and Imagination - not only imagination - I recommend reading Schopenhauer on the side, Nietzsche would not have arrived at his WTP insight without Schopenhauers ideas.

Schopenhauer helped me to understand Nietzsche. Like i would not read the master of my master...

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So a bird using a twig to build a nest is a trans-birdist? Only people who let their tools dominate themselves are transhumanist.

Smart beings use tools, if using a tool for you is a bad thing then you are clearly not a transhumanist. That make the bird more transhumanist than you because is really "dominated"(?!) by his twigs and nests.

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Nietzsche was also a shaman.

The smartest man who ever lived is not a shaman, the most tactical mind thinker of all time would not want to be associated to shamanism even if it was true...somehow lol or you talking about taking drugs for reaching new perspectiv ?

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"I could not believe in a god that does not know how to dance."
"Stay true to the Earth!"

Thats one of my favorite Smile

Dancing is the final expression of joy, but anciens Gods forbid so much things that human is not able to dance anymore, the power of chains.

Yes stay true to your instincts not based on imaginary things, i find that very wise to.


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I will work with you if you have scientific work underway - but for different reasons.

Thats only possible if you recognize that my interpretation of Nietzsche is superior to yours otherwise the probability of a successfull collaboration is lower.

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Forget transhumanism for now

Like saying to a vegan to forget his vegetables, really deep advice !

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Here we differ so much as no human differs from an animal - Nietzsche says that humans are more different form each other than they are from animals.

I dont remember that quote, i remember another quote, " Humans might be gods transformed into animals"

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the time is coming when politics will have a different meaning

that time came, we dont need politic anymore, thanks god ! Internet is the real power now, so much possibilities that it make me...wanna dance Very Happy





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