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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:40 am

To the non religious it is below philosophy - to the religious it is outside of it. The two do not coincide -
but the religion of Zeus is happily guided by philosophy.

Religion is pure expression of valuing. Islam is pure valuing of death over life, which is a hyper strong opiate. Christianity is valuing pain over reason or something like that, a Dionysiac.  Zeus - deference is simply awe before existence on a cosmological scale. Odin is the animals, the language of the birds, the self-trust of the tree. The god of the ground, what the Jews call the Kingdom.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:57 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLfCkXDAf8

Just watched this - bounce in his step! Sunshine in the soul of a man whose had two terms as the most powerful man alive. And if Self-Valuing Itself isnt active here - the Freudian slip par excellence - has him unnerved for minutes after - "a sexual - ah - successful transition." Within the microsecond a keen womans laugh shot out and was muffled.

But where eros comes up unabahsed in a presidents speech, he's happy.
Ive never seen Obama this happy in fact. Not since his first election day, when eerily a cloud had come over him that very night in his acceptance speech. Not so with Trump -
Astrologically, the US has been through Hades, and survived.

Persephone is yours now.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:22 am

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This is psychotic on so many levels.
Which psaychosis always is.

Can you imagine the chaos between the Agencies right now? Now all the faces theyve carefully layered have lost their purpose, their souls, and have become a multiple personality disorder within the perverted veins of the American psyche.

I think that anyone who wishes to leave America should leave as quickly as possible. Move to the Australian desert and live off the land.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:24 am

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Critical first of all of existence itself ; "I want to quit life" -


And I think that anyone who wishes to kill themselves should do it as quickly as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:26 am

And BTW, the protests and anti-Trump demonstrations in Oregon have now been classified as riots.

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:27 am

And lastly, Leonard Cohen passed on last night. He did well while he was here.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:11 am

Not even inaugurated yet and already:



Stocks up
TPP officially declared dead
Nationwide concealed carry in the works
Russia agrees to mend relations
Israel agrees to mend relations
Mexico agrees at least partially to the wall
Canada et all agree to renegotiate NAFTA
Businesses have already started to desist exporting jobs
Gowdy reopening investigation into Clinton: she's going to jail folks.



While Trump was running, he actually got on facebook and just asked people to recommend specific laws and policies he should try out. One of them was an amendment on congressional term limits, which he has taken up: that will be the first real fight post-inauguration as McConnell is voicing opposition to it. But imagine that: a president that just logs on fucking facebook and asks the public to recommend specific policy proposals.


And about people moving to Canada. LOL. Canada has the very immigration laws that Trump is recommending for the US. https://i.reddituploads.com/dc61b84f386b42c0822bb53892efbee1?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=027707370cf85657b18cbcd41d83d8ca


The republicans want a bunch of immigrants so they can use them for basically slave labor and generate wealth for their elite corporate sponsors; the democrats want them because they're a very easily politically controlled stock of vote-cattle. There's nothing moral about, it isn't even a moral question; unencumbered immigration is neither good for us, them, or anyone else save the corporate and political elite. Why do so many Mexicans want to come here? Because globalists have turned their own country into a shithole. Why is it bad for them to pour in here, to the US? Because globalism has ripped the entire industrial sphere out of our country. So let's just get rid of the globalism and corporate elite part so that they can happily build up their own country and we our's. There's nothing hateful about this.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:37 am

And to the Colbert video, I've laughed at the motherfucker before but he's so full of shit. He bemoaned election night asking, how did our politics ever become so divided and nasty? I don't know man, how about because of this kind of shit:

http://i.imgur.com/diEbrRV.png

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:41 am


 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:12 pm

I agree on all points you just made. Many Mexicans voted for Trump. They come to the US to escape drug war and corruption and economic poverty conditions, they don't want to see the US turn into the very things they fled from. Globalized business indeed turns countries into shitholes as it structures them politically and economically in such a way as to gather up human labor-power and siphon it off and away from that country; of course it maintains a few small flows into the country itself in order to keep happy a small number of corrupt politicians and drug lords who keep the whole shitshow going.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:03 pm


To these babies and rioters and activists: A man their media overlords have trained them to despise is now professing to deliver within 100 days of taking office all the things that they've supposedly spent their entire lives trying to attain- and failed; they suddenly find their own democratic party's candidate antagonizing the Russians, promising invasions and military expansion, and they themselves to be now on the side of war, which up till now they had opposed; they don't know what side they are fighting on anymore, the anti-establisment they've spent years claiming they represented or the very heart of the establishment; peace or war, justice or corruption, and as the smoke has cleared, and their entire pseudo-philosophy boiled all the way down to a couple buzzwords that no longer mean anything- racist, misogynist, etc. they've revealed themselves to be just a bunch of vandals rioting in the streets, without direction, without any goal, with nothing left to fight for. That's why they're so pissed off, even if they are not conscious enough of themselves to realize it.

This is the problem with so easily dispensing with, and so liberally misappropriating terminology like racist, fascist, or misogynist, that has, in deconstructionist and leftist philosophy, become so watered down, in order to levy insults and challenge the moral credibility of your political enemies; it allows people like these low level operators gathering their hordes right now in the streets, these fucking lugubrious, sniveling ass-hats, these hyper-salivating, drunk-on-the-excesses-of-their-own-moral-righteousness loons, to successfully compartmentalize and morally justify to themselves calls to insurrection, rioting, assassination, burning their own cities down, and overturning our democracy, because they, with the assistance of all their pseudo-intellectual liberal professors and the media, have convinced themselves that they're literally fighting Adolf Hitler- a Hitler that doesn't actually exist anywhere save for in their own pitiable braincases.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:10 pm

Yes, and as you said they are basically just pissed off because they don't know who or what they even are anymore. Their 'self' had been revealed now as insubstantially formed, which fact they can only appreciate or approach by becoming irrationally angry and seemingly hyper-hyper-sensitive, to the point of pure fantasizing, to any perceived slight against whatever they thought held together their personality and self (in this case, such things as "being nice to minorities", etc.).

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:14 pm

"Trump's first 100 day plan is horrifying, etc, etc"


* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.



... ???

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:42 pm

The second and third proposals are the only ones that could be considered objectionable, unless we can argue that longer term or career politicians does have some benefit that may outweigh the detriments (for example they have been around long enough to know how things work, get stuff done, have more political clout to forge compromises, etc.)

But yeah all in all it's not the end of the world...

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:21 pm

Yes, but the great thing is: the only reason longer-term politicians are useful or needed right now is because our law codes in this country fill entire libraries with outdated stuff that doesn't even apply to the current century, 100 pages of codes that could be combined and condensed into one, etc. Hence the third proposal, (adding Sunset provisions would also be good) which would force a simplification of our law and make it much easier to work with, it would take less time to educate a lawyer and thus they would be much less expensive, more people could afford them, better representation all around, and also government would be more responsive in general, it would take much less time to go through the court systems. They keep the laws so complicated and bloated in order to create a self-fulfilling "need" for career politics- for a political elite class, lawyers and over-staffed agencies, with all their over-funded wasteful budgets.




The New York Times published "A Time for Refusal," in which the continue pushing the Trump is Hitler narrative and encouraging some kind of nebulous... resistance.


" In the early hours of Nov. 9, 2016, the winner of the presidential election was declared. As the day unfolded, the extent to which a moral rhinoceritis had taken hold was apparent. People magazine had a giddy piece about the president-elect’s daughter and her family, a sequence of photos that they headlined “way too cute.” In The New York Times, one opinion piece suggested that the belligerent bigot’s supporters ought not be shamed. Another asked whether this president-elect could be a good president and found cause for optimism. Cable news anchors were able to express their surprise at the outcome of the election, but not in any way vocalize their fury. All around were the unmistakable signs of normalization in progress. So many were falling into line without being pushed. It was happening at tremendous speed, like a contagion. And it was catching even those whose plan was, like Dudard’s in “Rhinoceros,” to criticize “from the inside.”

Evil settles into everyday life when people are unable or unwilling to recognize it. It makes its home among us when we are keen to minimize it or describe it as something else. This is not a process that began a week or month or year ago. It did not begin with drone assassinations, or with the war on Iraq. Evil has always been here. But now it has taken on a totalitarian tone. "


So news publications are encouraging a "refusal" of our electoral process and encouraging a full scale "shaming" of... 60 million Americans who voted Trump.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:04 pm

These idiots are closer to non-entity than to human being. I don't begrudge those who dislike Trump nor do I begrudge their emotions that cause them to feel pain at some of the things Trump has said; but at the intellectual level they are defunct, resulting in those otherwise good emotions being mis-used on hyper-sensitivities and gross distortion and even outright lies about what Trump has said or proposed.

He isn't Hitler, and even if he was Hitler he couldn't do much in America 2016. The "normalization" bemoaned by this Times person is just the fact that the reality principle is kicking in and realigning people at the soul-level back toward a standard of sanity and health... as Fixed pointed out even Obama was giddy during his announcement of Trump's win.

So I put all this resistance and shit as basically just vanity in the fact of a serious lack of intellectual and mental effort.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:23 pm

When most people are confronted with the fact they are inept in some way, they react pathologically. That is really all that is going on with thee protests against Trump now.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:29 pm

This is the real game:


The global "community" basically says: We have this labyrinthine system of international regulations; we're gonna set up a globalist world economy that enriches a corporate elite at the expense of the various host societies, which will grow more and more impoverished. And if you attempt to opt out of this system like Germany tried to do before WW1, so as to cultivate your own nation in peace, without a parasitic corporate rulership to split up all your profits with the rest of the global community, we're just gonna get together and bomb you. That's "free trade."


But we can make a deal with the Russians- now that Trump is president- this is why Trump is very vocal about re-engaging Russia diplomatically. They are the only other true nuclear force on the earth. We can together leverage our arsenal against the rest of the planet so that both us and the Russians can disengage safely from things like the TPP and the various restrictive international commitments and build each of our nation's industry and population back up in isolation. The US and Russia will each assure the other's international independence economically from the globalist network, an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. The reason this isn't already happening, the reason that a Trump has to do it, is that our politicians don't give a fuck about us, they like the globalist system because the corporate class has long ago infiltrated our political class: they are happy to profit from it while the general population starves. The reason why we have zero relationship with the Russians diplomatically is just that: we're pressuring them because they are attempting to run an independent nation, because they want economic and political independence (used to be called peace) on the world-stage.


This is the truly dramatic change that will take place over the next couple years.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:48 pm

And that's why people like Soros, deeply involved in this whole international economy bullshit, are funding these protests against Trump.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:03 pm

Honestly I'd be worried about getting killed if I was Trump now. He's a threat to the wealthiest elites. They're funding protests and calling for insurrection all over the media.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:08 pm

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When most people are confronted with the fact they are inept in some way, they react pathologically. That is really all that is going on with thee protests against Trump now.

Precisely, this is the ontological condition now.

We have witnessed the civic manifestation of what I already saw as having occurred beneath the surface in 2011; the separation of the species into two distinct subspecies.
Self-responsible, aka thinking men, and the other - the incomplete human processes.

It would be worrisome if the case was not precisely that they have lost power, that a team, a philosophy has overtaken their Lacanian Significance; they are now  spasmodically encountering the real and potentiating before "identity" - postnatal birth is going to happen for a lot of them. They hadn't been born yet. born into a cocoon, the privileged bubble of self-emotion that is sustained at the cost of billions of ruined lives - there is no way they could not be freaking out now. I am in fact in favor of their freakshow, it is hilariously revealing, the whole world can see whats what, and pick sides.

Hey, this is a war in heaven - this is what happens after the end of days.
Hillary was obviously the koranic Antichrist. The poseur, believed by all the believers as it is written.
What comes after is beyond gods authorship.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:11 pm

To better protect himself maybe Trump can just go build his own white house or convert one of his skyscrapers. Build a moat or some kind of fortification around it. Fuck Washington.

I bet he doesn't even take conferences with the media/press. I bet he brings back the modern equivalent of "fireside chats" instead.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:17 pm

LOL after his meeting with Obama, Trump left to go back to New York without telling anyone and CNN is pissed that they didn't get any interviews or photos. "It is expected that a crew of reporters is kept abreast of the new president-elect's movements at all times!"- CNN

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:27 pm

He needs simply to get the lower officers on his side. And I think that's al ready a given. Abovd that, the US has too many generals to worry about coups or stuff like that - the multiplicity of Agency is somehow a perverse but effective continuation of the separation of powers. There arent any wars as vicious as those between, and within the agencies. Like Quarks, and strong force - you cant grasp it in the moment but by the consequences its all pretty clearly inescapable.

Al this point it is only honor that will come to determine who overcomes who - it is honor that elected Trump, because honor is truly the antithesis of dishonor. If there ever was a symmetrical dichotomy it is this one. By vanquishing the HRC Skynet wannabe, America has acquired anew its honor.

If they decide to fight, it'll become all the easier to destroy them. I reckon they know this, and this is their panic; their capacity for being cool in this situation is nil. "I wanna quit life" should be seen in this context alone. To be cool now, you have to be a degenerate tool. The time for degenerate tools is over. They are going to be degenerate tools for a whille about it. The media are comprised of the most degenerate tools of all.

Ill tell you it would have surprised me if there would not have been riots - and seriously, if Clinton had won - I dont think the sun would have come up.

Well, thats just a cool thing to say and I happen to have felt it on election day.



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LOL after his meeting with Obama, Trump left to go back to New York without telling anyone and CNN is pissed that they didn't get any interviews or photos. "It is expected that a crew of reporters is kept abreast of the new president-elect's movements at all times!"- CNN

Brilliant. So they have to convince themselves its not their fault. That is their job description from now on; convincing themselves that they did not fuck up. How bad are they going to fuck up at that? Time will tell. I might buy a tv just to watch them do the stupidest shit ever shown this side of the ocean.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream   Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:02 pm

It is a whole new type of danger now - to restrain the response to the fundamental but superficial evil of the quasi-entities, to allow through their violence something of their will to be inflicted on themselves for a change, and to sow traces of self-valuing.

Let them be as idiotic as they wish, this will bring therapy to the many confused and conflated peoples of Europe, who will by their judgment be able to discern themselves from each other again.

As dull and meek the Dutch are, they are quick to take up on new realities. The Trumpen have impressed, I can guarantee - and I am gleeful, as I know the values there have been reversed, and people that have betrayed me out of sheer smallness of heart, will feel some of the pain they have earned, the beginning of the process of being born into a new age of unveiled rank.

A war over a hundred years will follow now, made purely out of propagandic newscast. It is an entirely irrelevant war, no physical consequences will it have, but it will involve the agony of all the unborn. And from this agony as will-and-imagination, some specimens of humanity will apear!

And many specimens of subhumanity will undergo deeply absurd and out of bound fates, of which many selfies will be made.

 

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