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PostSubject: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:20 pm

I want a more in depth analysis here. I am pulling this I wrote in the other topic, to start us off:

On what philosophical conceptual or meaningful basis does transhumanism pose its progression? Nietzsche's basis is quite clear: man is more ape even than ape, the philosopher is more human even than human. Nietzsche's humanity is a beautiful jewel that he polishes with all of his criticisms of humanity. Pessimism (e.g. Schopenhauer) is fully sublated in Nietzsche; this is why Nietzsche is such an attractive and good thinker.

So what is sublated in transhumanism? Not pessimism, but I would say the opposite: it is pessimism that is precisely not sublated in transhumanism and can never be (my core argument here is that transhumanism is precisely the need to never sublate pessimism, which of course places it directly at odds with Nietzsche's own project), so instead in transhumanism some kind of weird hybrids of positivism and empirical-religious optimism are "affirmed".

 

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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:01 am

Yes that is well said. There is an aspect of the young transhumanists ideas that we can approach though - I had an interesting conversation (a very long one of which this was part) with Sauwelios about the possibility, theoretically, of removing the aging command from our genetics. As aging is not a passive process, but an actual 'order' given out by the genes to start destroying the body - in an evolutionary sense, likely developed to give offspring more space to live.

Which evidently is still of great use, not to say absolutely crucial to a bearable life on Earth - but... hey. Interesting anyway.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:03 am

In my opinion Nietzsche's transhumanism is mental, not physical. Nietzsche was aware of the cycles of birth and death. He was not pointing toward immortality but rather toward the concept of one living one's life to the fullest. Therefore his objection of European Christianity of his day.

Religion and government are tools the wealthy and powerful use to control the people. Nietzsche thought that the people should control their own life.

That would require the individual to break free from the herd (or the flock). Stop being sheeple and become an over-man (over-sheeple).
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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:50 am

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In my opinion Nietzsche's transhumanism is mental, not physical. Nietzsche was aware of the cycles of birth and death. He was not pointing toward immortality but rather toward the concept of one living one's life to the fullest


Sisyphus you are exactly who i was looking for, i will pm you.
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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:15 am


 

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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:52 pm

Thrasymachus wrote:

This is great.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:56 pm

What a beautifully conscientious mind this guy has.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Nietzsche and Transhumanism   Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:37 pm

Oh, fuck yeah.




^ Highlight.

 

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