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PostSubject: On the Aging Process   Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:50 am

It's interesting that the aging process is set off as a destructive campaign by the body on itself - it is not simply some wearing out. THere are species that don't age. They just find death in their environment.

Ive seen that people belonnging to a Church invariably age quicker. Muslims in the Netherlands start to age gravely in their thirties, by their forties they are wrinkled and shrunk like an average Dutchman doesnt even approach at 90. There are no old muslims in the streets except the occasional little man, who looks at little girls with a faint smile. I reckon this is simply because self-valuing is not possible in Islam, and the body quickly gives off the self-destruct commando.

The flipside of this is that to those to whom life is entirely natural, those self-valuings that are truly integer, it may very well be possible to postpone the commando, and liver for a couple of hundred of years. I think no technological artifice may be required, just a life lived as a true affirmation, a true self-valuing; in pragmatic terms, this is to say, a life of extreme generosity, courage and real-time problem solving intelligence.

The aging process is simply a function of entropy, which sets in when the self-valuing logos goes asleep, and the human accepts "the world" for "what it is".... and dies as an entity, some time before his eyes close and his skin starts peeling.

The ancient Greeks tended to live to well over 90 - most philosophers whose names remain reached high ages. Only when Christianity set in, did the life expectancy drop by over fifty percent. And only when Christianity started losing its grip did the life expectancy begin to rise again.

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:08 pm

The aging process is something that has touched my curiosity but I have yet to do any good research.

I sometimes tell people that my goal of aging is immortality and that so far I'm doing pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:55 pm

Nature doesn't care for how long we live, except that we can live to procreate and raise kids to a level where they can survive independently of us. Beyond that natural selection would probably select against generic configurations that prolongue age.

When our cells divide they lose some of the telomeres (repeated genetic code) that cap chromosomes at the ends. Generic replication has a hard time exactly duplicating chromosomes down to the very tips of them, so telomeres solve that problem; but eventually those telomeres are worn away and then cellular division begins to corrupt the genes themselves. There is an enzyme that helps repair telomeres though. Problem is, unlimited cellular division ("immortality") already exists, we call it cancer. I read that shortened telomeres and reduction in the telomere-repairing enzyme may have been a natural adaptation against the growth of tumors.

Age is genetic, indeed. And our lifestyle does affect this generic aging process.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:04 pm

That makes a lot of sense.

In Chinerse medicine, cancer is considered a normal condition, every organism has it to a degree, and the methods of circulation  of chi (stimulating the organs and glands in their absorbing and secreting in the optimal order) is basically aimed to get rid of wherever this is happenuing excessively, and also integrating the excess 'vitality' into the system. Cancer is just cell-growth that cant be integrated in the self-valuing. It's a symptom of a highly potent society with very little 'Lacanian' depth (circulation-options, 'wildness') to its individuals. Reich solved most of it by simply organizing atoms via the division metals and non metals, creating an basic organo-energetic plasma field, very thin but working, that regulates the celldivision gently into proper organic paths.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:59 am

Yeah and then the FDA destroyed his machines, I guess.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:08 am

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Yeah and then the FDA destroyed his machines, I guess.

I told you that government and religion are the root of all evil.
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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:50 am

Yes, confirming that it works. Had they rather done their jobs, cancer would not now be an epidemic, but just a symptom of our societies growth and need to regulate itself back into earth, matter, thus literally the periodic tables 'aesthics', the most powerful and
comprehensive chemical selfvaluing pattern.

But anyway the method survived, just out of the hands of the suffering population, ridiculed by them because the government had their universities tell exactly what the disease they 'cant cure' 'is' and that the only thing to do against it is destroy your immune system with radiation so the body can never again learn to properly recuperate by itself. A cunning plan, as they say. Trillons it has earned. Unfortunately the trillions seem to keep evaporating for some mysterious reason... haha.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:07 am

I knew a lady, haven't had contact with her in over a year, who had cancer and she got three diagnosis and each one gave her less that a year without chemo.

She did her own research, changed her life style and twelve years later (when I met her) she was cancer free.

Cancer is big business. Nobody wants to die. They will give all their money to the quacks just to get a couple more days of living in pain and suffering.
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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:23 pm

Cancer cures tend to be suppressed. Same with juvenile diabetes cures. Same with the link between vaccines and autism (neurological damage). Joining profit motive and healthcare was an insane idea, we should probably stop doing that.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:46 pm

Yes. In Amsterdam we have a huge hospital towering over the highway with red massive letters "Cancer Center".
Just like "Drug Enforcement Agency", which imports the drugs through Mexico, then distributes it, then puts young black dudes in jail if they take it from them, so that the prison owners can make a couple of hundred bucks daily off every inmate, which the tax payer pays for just like he pays for the Cancer-industry, which is the biggest industry on the planet.

In Holland, a whopping sixty percent of the budget goes into the medical fund, "Care", which has seen almost as many new diseases into being as people it has had pay for their own slow, painful and humiliating murder.

You have to be able to laugh at it, somehow... it is too much.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:55 pm

Sisyphus - yes, in every single case Ive seen or heard of of someone taking their treatment into their own hands (not of some wonder-doktor) the patient got rid of it within roughly half a year. As I said its not even considered a diseases in China.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:59 pm

In the US they call proven injuries caused when vaccines are being injected "table injuries", these are legally recognized and there is a multi-millions dollar fund that settles out of court compensation to families of children damaged in this way. Yet the medical industry is firm in the claim that vaccines are safe. Also you cannot sue a vaccine maker, legally they have total immunity. Same with banks that give crushing student loan debt, you can't discharge that debt in regular bankruptcy. But the bank itself can go through bankruptcy and discharge its own debts, of course.

Autism is just a subtler form of the same kind of neurological overload and damage from the vaccines, especially when they give so many of them at the same time. The basis of autism, like the basis of healthy consciousness, is "philosophical", but this philosophical soul emerges atop the biological strata. Autistic people have some defects in their neurobiological strata, so a properly philosophical soul, or "self", isn't able to form very well.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:04 pm

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Sisyphus - yes, in every single case Ive seen or heard of of someone taking their treatment into their own hands (not of some wonder-doktor) the patient got rid of it within roughly half a year. As I said its not even considered a diseases in China.

The fact this didn't work for Steve Jobs is probably evidence he was poisoned somehow.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:11 pm

The good news is that this isnt sustainable at all, the banks will not be able to cash in on it with the next generation, which is, like all lifeforms do, adapting to its environment so as not to be subdued by it. This whole ship is sinking. But it wont go down without a fight - the next fifty years some corporations will disintegrate into violent militia like organizations that try to put government under pressure to 'pay them', I think.

Putting healthcare in a system of profit isnt necessarily an insane idea, as long as you dont involve the goverrnment in deciding what is allowed as a product and what is not. Government eliminates competition, thus eliminates for the full hundred percent all validity of the market principle. Even a monopoly attained at through brute force is perfectly fine when you compare it to government regulated markets. It just means that you brew up a poison, called it medicine, step up with a bag of cash to any random government asshole in a cheap enough suit and get all products that actually work legally banned.

Government is dying as it is killing all its constituency. Believing in cancer and in the virtue of big government is the same sort of disease, and it is definitely terminal.



Jobs case is obviously very dirty business to discuss, but was similar to one in the Dutch media twenty years back. He seems to have relied on "alternative medicine". That shit is absolute shit. What you need to rely on is what we simpleton westerners call "breath" - i.e. your being. And science and philosophical thought, of course, which brings us orgone and all that.

As soon as I, as a philosopher, looked at what orgone is made of, I understood the scientific principle, even if all writing on it was burned, and science doesnt even recognize this pattern as a principle. I saw what Reich discovered and how indeed it must have this particular effect.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:19 pm

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The good news is that this isnt sustainable at all, the banks will not be able to cash in on it with the next generation, which is, like all lifeforms do, adapting to its environment so as not to be subdued by it. This whole ship is sinking. But it wont go down without a fight - the next fifty years some corporations will disintegrate into violent militia like organizations that try to put government under pressure to 'pay them', I think.

Yes there are already situations where a corporation can sue the government for lost profits due to laws the government enacts, such as environmental protection laws for example.

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Putting healthcare in a system of profit isnt necessarily an insane idea, as long as you dont involve the goverrnment in deciding what is allowed as a product and what is not. Government eliminates competition, thus eliminates for the full hundred percent all validity of the market principle. Even a monopoly attained at through brute force is perfectly fine when you compare it to government regulated markets. It just means that you brew up a poison, called it medicine, step up with a bag of cash to any random government asshole in a cheap enough suit and get all products that actually work legally banned.

Government is dying as it is killing all its constituency. Believing in cancer and in the virtue of big government is the same sort of disease, and it is definitely terminal.

I do not think government is inherently bad, nor do I think corporations and private enterprise are inherently bad. Neither is inherently good either. These two polarities are just a daemonic construct, a duality in the socio-psychic-existential fabric of the human world.

Without some kind of governmental system enforcing a legal equal playing field, free enterprise turns into mafia war, in which censorship and repression of truth and of what really works (real medicines, for instance) is just as easy as it is within fascist corrupt governments. Government can and should do some regulating of markets, but only at the behest of serious studies and scientists of many types, open transparency of the process with public input, etc. Basically these government institutional bureaucracies need to have scientists running things at the top echelons of power, and structural openness to critical public oversight as to how decisions are made, what is the scientific reasoning backing something up, from where is funding coming, etc.

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Jobs case is obviously very dirty business to discuss, but was similar to one in the Dutch media twenty years back. He seems to have relied on "alternative medicine". That shit is absolute shit. What you need to rely on is what we simpleton westerners call "breath" - i.e. your being. And science and philosophical thought, of course, which brings us orgone and all that.

As soon as I, as a philosopher, looked at what orgone is made of, I understood the scientific principle, even if all writing on it was burned, and science doesnt even recognize this pattern as a principle. I saw what Reich discovered and how indeed it must have this particular effect.

Orgon is pretty cool. The fact that the FDA closed up Reich's work so tightly is proof of how seriously we should take orgon.

 

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PostSubject: Re: On the Aging Process   Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:14 pm

In contemplating the reason for my disagreement with that view on government, I suddenly realized the full extent of my perception of government, in historical and operational terms.

All government started as religion.
It just dawned on me. It will never be able to be anything else.

I disagree that we need government to tell us what is good or bad medicine - I believe only in private doctors of at least a decade of hands on experience, who conduct a thorough research on your body, and then privately, in perfect confidentiality, prescribe a custom treatment.

 

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