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PostSubject: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:37 pm

Men are will to power, women are power, and will to execute that power.

Women are thus immoral - they must break rules, as that is what power does - men are moral, they must assemble and build rules, as that's is what acquiring power is.


Men are becoming, women, being.
Women want becoming (destruction, beying destroyed, being used, becoming a process, a pregnancy, and a sacrifice upon hich to become a goddess, a Creator, a mother.)

Men want being (construction, ruling, using, making the world into ones process, sacrificing it upon the alter of ones self-valuing, to become a god, a Creator, a father)

Nietzsche was aware of this but not of what it meant to the will to power.




What it means is this: that women do rule, and thus must rule; but not as will, but as standard.
Man is the world that lives up to that standards, or dies trying.





 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:44 pm

Now unfortunately ladies, that means the burden is from now on all on you.

All that is wrong with the world, with what men do, is because you don't tell him to do a better thing.
The only reason man destroys earth is to attract you and to keep you.

What Women Want:- for the whole world to burn for their privilege; their uninterrupted comfort - nature luxuriating in itself in particular, at the cost of itself at large.

If the world is to improve, it is only when the most desirable, (powerful, 'potentially-pregnant') women will conspire to make a higher standard out of themselves; to hold up Man to a higher standard.

Whenever a woman blinks, the soul of a crimelord changes.

Only the philosophers are still sex and rock and arrow to you - all other men are mere boys, Hunger and Thirst are the names by which you can call them.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:52 pm

The dynamic between desire of the other who represents either immoral or moral power, for just as man and woman both respect in certain term both male and female power, so too does there exist a subtle and alien logic by which moral and immoral expressions of power dynamically assert themselves as pure standard together, through, as, with, without and against each other, are such a dynamics and 'psychology' that has yet to be properly fathomed at even the formal levels much less at the levels of content, of meaning. As you point out and as I agree, what we can do is simply state the problem-- the fact that such a more precise articulation is possible and how this possibility drives human being.

Most likely the problem must remain veiled and only partly expressed; for as Nietzsche intimates this is one primary way that moral and immoral, human power express and raise into being, into a truly living reality participation with/in the cosmos.

Dionysus against the cross... yes, and also: the earth-bound dynamics of living power against the analytic machinery of meaningless death.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:53 pm

The image and falsity is redeemed when it allows itself to be put to some true use. Falsity is noble precisely because it loves what it can never be.

That falsity and image which does not love in this way, is simply death, N's spirit of gravity.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:59 pm

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Now unfortunately ladies, that means the burden is from now on all on you.

All that is wrong with the world, with what men do, is because you don't tell him to do a better thing.
The only reason man destroys earth is to attract you and to keep you.

What Women Want:- for the whole world to burn for their privilege; their uninterrupted comfort - nature luxuriating in itself in particular, at the cost of itself at large.

If the world is to improve, it is only when the most desirable, (powerful, 'potentially-pregnant') women will conspire to make a higher standard out of themselves; to hold up Man to a higher standard.

Whenever a woman blinks, the soul of a crimelord changes.

Precisely.

Power for its own sake is always banality. I think N knew this but didn't know how to include this fact into his formulations of the will to power.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:09 pm

A woman's will to pregnancy is her fate-to-power. She will be selected, and it  is up to her to waver this or that way. Hers is the art of wise wavering. A lightheartedness that no man can fathom, as it is produced directly out of pressures beyond life itself - the Tides, the billions of years of rhythm regulated by the Moon-Earth dance. Woman is this drift. All women are billions of years old - this is why they can not afford profundity in down-gazing. They would turn everything to stone. Medusa is thus an image of the open-eyed woman. She can not get pregnant as easily!

For a woman to open her eyes to her suitors fully is to see through them their fate. Only a fool or a philosopher can withstand the open eye - A philosopher is a man who has already been turned to stone, and found his way back. Hades turned to Dionysos - now truth serves rather to bring back the heat of pulse; when Medusa comes through the garden gate, the magmaic heat suddenly awakens in the rock of an ancient house.

How now brown cow
Ive written myself into a crossroads...



 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:21 pm

A woman who became a true philosopher would be to even the best male philosophers what the best male philosophers are to everyone else. History is still aching to be impregnated by male philosophy that it could give birth to female philosophy. This is certainly still centuries away; women are still transfixed by feminism and machismo, philosophy is not yet deep and high enough to be capable of signaling itself to true feminine pride.

If one thing is clear from The Shield it is that strength is properly selective against what would serve to destabilize that strength, that there is a world of difference between being and acting. To act is to become what one is; to be, is merely to "act" in naive and desperately fearful self-preservation. It isn't that strength doesn't care for its preservation too, but that strength preserves itself precisely by acting without regard to what for other is the entropy of survival. And in this way, strength grooves an aesthetic beyond survival, and so survives in a categorically higher way. Even and especially when strength is tragically destroyed by some petty world-fate.

Joy is only possible to conquerors who hazard their own existence for the sake of their values.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:31 pm

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Power for its own sake is always banality. I think N knew this but didn't know how to include this fact into his formulations of the will to power.

He did not, or did not get to it, although he knew that value is the key - and I have had the impression that he has chosen what to exclude with the same swordsmanship that substantiates what he does say; by making this very partial point of his, he at once makes a point for partiality. And as he makes it with style, the partiality becomes an ontological ground qua an psychological consistency. Then he paves the way, by exalting two women as he brings them into the narrative - Ariadne and the old lady are his Judge - and by proposing a marriage, on his terms, with a woman called eternity - and subsequently going mad ---------, he gives us the key to the castle.

The maiden in the tower-chamber, as the Troubadours envisioned the spirit Most High and Homer attributed to all-cause as Helen of Troy, is still how the world works - and it must be noted that all the lady can do in that chamber is to read, and to look out over the world with a comprehensive perspective.

She can not act. She can not order. She can allude to her wishes, and they shall be fulfilled with as much zeal as any order given by a man to another man could be blessed with, but with far more zest.
And this is the joy of the world - the busy bee - the honey is made by men fora a queen. All flowers, all children serve this purpose.



Now - before the blessing moves beyond its peak- the sad fact is noted that very few women indeed are living up to the power they have. And it is not simply that the men cant handle that - though at this point, there are many who would be hurt - it is that comfort has always been a feminine property.

Now, for the sake of enduring comfort, so that being may persist in luxuriating, we shall elect a First Queen.



Your nominations please.

Every season, we will elect to exalt the power of a generous woman, to symbolize womankind as upholding the standard of Earth, Truth, Good, and Humanity.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:45 pm

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A woman who became a true philosopher would be to even the best male philosophers what the best male philosophers are to everyone else. History is still aching to be impregnated by male philosophy that it could give birth to female philosophy. This is certainly still centuries away; women are still transfixed by feminism and machismo, philosophy is not yet deep and high enough to be capable of signaling itself to true feminine pride.

In as far as I apply the term "philosopher" to myself, I don't even think it is possible. I think that woman can not endure it, and should not be brought to endure it, except under difficult circumstances, wherein someone like Ayn Rand appears rather than the full flower of being.

The Word is Masculine.

And apparently the pain level of a kick in the balls far exceeds that of giving birth.
The scope of philosophy in a nutshell...

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If one thing is clear from The Shield it is that strength is properly selective against what would serve to destabilize that strength, that there is a world of difference between being and acting. To act is to become what one is; to be, is merely to "act" in naive and desperately fearful self-preservation. It isn't that strength doesn't care for its preservation too, but that strength preserves itself precisely by acting without regard to what for other is the entropy of survival. And in this way, strength grooves an aesthetic beyond survival, and so survives in a categorically higher way. Even and especially when strength is tragically destroyed by some petty world-fate.

Joy is only possible to conquerors who hazard their own existence for the sake of their values.

Awesome observation.

I think thats the arena wherein the Heraclitus' notion of character as fate relates to his notion of Fire.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:09 pm

I actually think that a feminine philosophy is possible, but very rare. Can you imagine the sum of true philosophy held in the breast of a woman who retains her "woman-ness"? We have a word for describing that possibility: God.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:22 pm

I think men live under the impression that woman suffer more than men do. I have just recently realized that they don't - they are just more sensitive to discomfort. This is what makes them fickle - always leveling to the surface of homeostasis.

Thus her patterns are philosophical and the deths behind them unfathomable, but her mind is not. She lacks the will of the hammers because she lacks the hardness of the anvil. Sher lacks the lust for violence that accompanies the will to power.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:44 pm

I think she balks at the immensity of the power she commands. Why? Because she lacks a man who could appreciate that hammer-power and still see her as a woman. Maybe this is a vanity on our part.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:53 pm

Ive only seen and had women cut, never strike.

Yes, they do balk at their power - but I don't have that vanity, and they still balk.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:00 pm

My purpose for woman is not to strike on the anvil that is man - Ive had enough attempts happen on myself to know that's a futile thing in my world - (Im careful here) - but for her to nourish the world. This is power-as-such, a well nourished lifeform. Will to power is competition over nourishment.
These are beginning to be feminine terms. The WtP usurped by being ; a form of art is required.


Philosophy of Nourishment
first question
which instincts to feed?
Hierarchy of values.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:21 pm

So basically Ive found the cosmology I was always looking for in gender theory. Surely I have relied heavily on others (your explication once of women as goodness/cloudscape/firmament was a key) and only now that I have a female adviser I begin the penetrate into the nature that is behind the way woman decides. It is indeed that she is a surface - but only because her depth is not limited. But this in turn means also that she has no free will. But as a recompense, if she is in an environment that is both vast and pleasing to her, she is simply Free. In terms of primitive culture, when what a woman has the children she wants in the house she wants in the tribe that upholds her comfort as its aim, then this is 'The Good' as provided by nature into mankind. It is good to her, but also as pertaining universally, as it pertains to what the meaning of the word was born from; Standard. But a man must provide her with it. Or rather whole races of men - and also animals and flowers, and herbs and all of nature comes together to be touched by her - must war and conspire to bring about the circumstances that can give such fruits as to please her. In that state of pleasure a thing such as leisure, music, art, and then philosophy can be born, Finally also science.

VO can be 'exploded' via the sexes (synthetic difference) into a double dichotomy;
Woman is valuer, man is value-creator
Man is valuing, woman is Value.

Rather than the ancient sanctification of the child as culmination of identity, we now have captured the turbulent and never static image of birth as the ontic locus. Self-valuing is entity-ing. It arrives upon itself from all directions, and creates a center, that can contain, as we've all of us seen in this life, anything.

There is no law or limit
but there is, thank it for it, the possibility of standard-setting.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:39 pm

Marriage is standard-setting pur-sang.

That is why it is sacred, and why to entitle gay couples to it is a radical alteration of evolutionary paradigm. It gives freedom to a world that is not able to accept the terms of the old world. That it is being granted is only a sign that the old world has decided it has already crumbled too much to uphold itself - and welcomes that there is a new will somewhere.

Ive felt this as I witnessed by sister into marriage - and Ive seen my own life and that of my family dissolve for a while into a grey mist, after that. I'm now against it. Im even more against laws violence or therapies against gays, though. I just think it entirely wrecks the concept of marriage. Gay love is illicit because it is an admission to not wanting to cultivate a people, but move on to cultivate pleasures.

That is very much fine in a large society, but not something to be proud of. It's a excess that settles into comfort. It can become extremely artistic, like Warhol or Wilde, but also petty beyond what heterosexuality is capable of, and infinitely perverse. It is precisely the not-institution. When it is institutionalized, it becomes the dominant institution and weakens the rest, as its fears are far greater and its fruits always thinner than blood.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:02 pm

My proposal would be to ban all laws against gay sex and companionship with consenting partners of a reasonable age, and also the lift all special rights for gays as a category. Just do not acknowledge it as a Self-Valuing - it destroys the erotic aspect of it anyway.

Can (should) gays raise children? Two men? No. Women will often end up doing it and I suspend judgment for the sake of particular couple, but I dont think it is normally worth the risk of putting a kid through an even more bizarre world of sex.

In order to uphold woman as Muse, she must function entirely as a Feminine principle. Thus, porn is much closer to what holds true to a politics of the future than politics. A woman goes into porn or prostitution because it is easy, i.e. natural - she is valued instantly for qualities she can not 'enact', but must be acted upon in order to merit as that quality. Be it moons around her sun, or being taken as an object, whores are mostly very generous women, and I would wager that of all the women  that read philosophy, the promiscuous ones have most need of it - can endure it.

The 'hammer' she receives is not her own - and she isn't an anvil either - heterosexual sex is infinitely more tender, even in its harshest forms, than the male homosexual. What she receives is the pain of man, and she turns it into happiness. It is as simple as that. And all she does is endure her being as it is experienced as The Object.

There is in any self-valuing instance at most one proper Object;  the rest is "web" or for those of us at fire, pulsating flux.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:23 pm

I can not avoid elaborating somewhat on personal experience, much like Nietzsche did with Wagner, on my environment to discern the direction of my philosophy. I dont think N's comments on Wagner are of very great use, to people besides himself and those who simply enjoy his psyche (perhaps the greater part of "Nietzscheans"), but they had to be made for him to move on. I have to formalze my acknowledgement of being of a fundamentally different paradigm than the woman that has been y closest ally - to my own eyes - during my childhood, which formed also the fundamental values that I still uphold now. Because she is so close to me, the politics my sister has enforced (she is of capacity a political journalist) will stand trial before myself here, though I do not require a jury and will not even allow her to argue her case. I have simply suspended my judgment for two decades, and have become too healthy to continue doing so. I think that the homosexual inability to reproduce as a couple commands a certain humility in the family context. The ways of reproduction open to gays are not to be taken as the signifiers of the Institution of Family. Sexuality is savage in essence, its freedom of orientation is the antithesis to culture. It exists as Dionysiac for some, but can not persist under Apollo.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:49 pm

From what Ive seen, when a gay wants marriage, it's not lve that drives him, but the eros of status in a heterosexual world. Ive seen it turn love into loathing, by wanting to make it equal to it. It's produced the very antithesis of love.

I learned from my mother of a feminist couple she attacked in the paper once - this paper, but later on -



Anneke van Baalen and Marijke Ekelschot, who had a publishing house in the 70's and advised mothers to give less love to their sons -- Ive seen the deliberateness of that policy at work in lesbian feminists. It is far from an unconscious cruelty. It is rather pure revenge on strength for being strong, by enforcing on it the taste of weakness. Which isnt properly taste at all, but rather a distaste for taste.

Sex is obviously a graver matter than war.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:12 pm

I think homosexuality is a good example of self-valuing mutual irreducibility. To a hetero person, homosexuality is radically alien and unpalatable, but also represents a kind of hidden drive of perversion for the simple reason that it is perverse for a hetero perso to seriously imagine engaging in homo sex. That doesn't mean homo sex is itself perverse, but that it is perverse to a hetero person's self-valuing; this is why today we have the increase of politically correct rights and bending over backwards to make sure everyone knows one is not a homophobe and one considers homosexuality very well and fine-- this is all an acting taking place precisely because a hetero person can never feel entirely comfortable with the idea of homo sex.

The PC acting going on today of pro gay rights is for one'a own benefit, a kind of self-justifying of the self-valuing irreducibility. But that isn't saying anything at all about homosexuality itself, just about how homosexuality is able to be valued by heteros.

Eventually I suspect that a majority of kids born in the first world will have some basic genetic engineering and will be raised not by two parents who conceived them sexually. I'm not saying I want that, but some kind of formalization into an institutional will of child-rearing is taking place simply because so many parents are either so bad at raising kids or find the experience and responsibility of it deeply painful beyond reason. I can imagine the role of child care increasing for example to include a kind of surrogate family that splits legal responsibility, after all if you count public schooling and after school daycare then kids are already being raised by a surrogate family 1/3 to 1/2 of their waking lives.

In such a context homosexuality becomes less meaningful to raising kids, and today two gay people can actually conceive a genetic child thanks to technology. A self-serving PC article on it: http://time.com/3748019/same-sex-couples-biological-children/

My question would be, how do male chromosomes morphed into an egg acquire female chromosomes (XX and XY), and vice versa? More importantly, what is the consequence of creating children with genetic lineage to the human history of only one of the sexes? Obviously the Time article doesn't even acknowledge these questions exist-- that wouldn't be "PC" to do, lol.

I don't think that the inability of gay people to have kids should mean they cannot adopt or otherwise raise kids, nor that the inability to have kids has any philosophical significance. Plenty of people are infertile or choose not to procreate; in this human world we procreate in other ways too, our ideas, artistic work, etc... genetic procreation is ovviously very important and necessary but I have a hard time assigning it philosophically meaning on par with the works humans engage in within the existential sphere. In any case there has always been homosexuality as a kind of cultural excess, and I think everyone including heteros have deep homo anxieties simply because of how sexuality as biological instinct is at bottom not gendered, and this is evidenced by how straight people either feel weird about homosexuality or try desperately to cover up and ignore it... interestingly the anti-homosexual sentiments and the PC pro-homosexuality sentiments are each serving the same function of straight people trying to cover up homosexuality so the straight person doesn't have to look directly at it.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:52 pm

I rather think that the species will and must be decimated before that happens. A child reared by institution is a non entity. The simply human errors of a family are the forces that cause character and particularity.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:58 pm

I understand most men are still simply apprehensive and think gay sex is perverse, but having lived in the world of its rulership, and also had an experimental relation with a man to clear up my idea of Eros, I do not suffer this ignorance - I have seen that gay people do not wish to carry  a certain burden, namely that which I now hold as the very foundation of the universe. The war of the sexes; difference in time. Sexual polarity is quite simply human consistency itself - within that frame, homosexuality is delightful escape - freedom. But temporary only - it is excess, thus fleeting - it knows no loyalty. Not that a gay person can not be loyal, but it must be in terms of friendship.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:08 pm

I uphold the institution of the minimal institutions.

e.g.

Marriage as 1+1<=3

(1=3)




 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:28 pm

1=3, haha yes.

Self-valuing increase.

I think you are right about the errors of parenting creating particularity and character. But that is a very high price to pay. Plenty of people pay that price reaping far more detriments than benefits. Perhaps most fall into that category.

I am fascinated by the idea of a connection between sexual orientation, or gender, and meaning in the philosophical existential sense. I am still skeptical here. The fact that meaning often falls down, or seems to fall down, along either gender or sexuality lines is not, for me, proof that those lines are actually parsing that meaning. An example: one drops a bunch of sticks of X length onto the ground, and on the ground are painted parallel lines of X length apart. The ratio of the number of sticks that end up lying in such a way as to cross one of the painted lines, to the number of sticks that end up lying within the painted lines and not crossing them, approaches Pi exactly. Why is this? It has to do with circles and how the stick is a diameter. The random throwing of the sticks onto an ordered surface that just so happens to have been constructed with those stick-lengths in mind, produces perfect order. The sticks themselves, even without any painted lines on the ground, are already perfectly ordered in this way, we just wouldn't know it; they look "random".

Order from randomness; no, randomness as order. To me, sexuality and gender are randomness as order. The connection between philosophical meaning and gender or sexuality is an "accidental" one, meaning not directly derivative in either direction, more like a kind of isometry. Or more like how philosophical meaning writes itself upon raw biology in such a way that biology comes to resemble meaning without realizing it. The gender and sexuality splits are the product of self-valuing. But the breakages and deconstructions in those splits are also the product of self-valuing. Like sticks strewn about the floor, some will land across an invisible line and some will not, but an order is nonetheless present.

I don't know if this makes any sense or not. But I think that once we gained the ability to manipulate our own genome directly under a microscope, a significant portion of the rule book was thrown away. And yet this, too, is only so many sticks thrown down upon some invisibly scored ground.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Men are will to power, Women are power   Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:45 pm

A couple of observations (to begin with):

Most of what has been said in this thread so far is beyond me. Still, I won't just respond to the OP and the post I've been asked to respond to. Those first, though.

I think speaking of man and woman in terms of Being and Becoming and of power and the will to power may make sense, but only metaphorically, not metaphysically. Man and woman both have power and want power, both are power and will power.

Woman could indeed change man's behaviour by refusing him, though he could of course always resort to rape. (If she doesn't keep the most powerful part of the male population happy, there's nothing to deter men from raping her.)

Now as for Capable's contributions. I still seem to discern a certain liberal idealism in what he says. He seems to present as an ideal the free and full development of woman. I however think that such a free and fully developed woman would be the supreme abomination. It is the Great Black Goddess, Kali. Nevertheless, I still or again hope Hillary wins the election. I am for the further liberalization of the West, though not for its own sake but for the sake of a new rootedness beyond the rootlessness to which it leads. I think Trump represents an unintelligent reaction to the "victory of the town over the country, of the mobile over the deeply rooted, of the spirit of the Occident over the spirit of the Orient" (Strauss, "Philosophy as Rigorous Science and Political Philosophy"); to "the victory of liberalism over politics, science over philosophy, the West over the East, the rootless over the deeply rooted, the masculine over the maternal, Madame Bovary's France over Salammbo's Carthage" (Neumann, "Liberalism's Moloch"). I sanction the development that started in Athens and Jerusalem, which I've called the liberalization of the West but which is really the West itself: the West is the liberalization of the East, from the East--the once global East...
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