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PostSubject: Meaning    Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:58 pm

I am working on the hypothesis that meaning is a literal, tangible, "physical" substance. This is per tectonics, of course. The brain is little more than a very sensitive recording instrument -- it records meanings, and by virtue of how the rest of the body is also connected into the hub of the brain, the body becomes activate directly by meaning---namely, as "humanity".

This is Logic 101 of the future philosophy.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:48 pm

Time for truth to surface.





"The Deceived"

Disintegration constituents to decompose of the parts
A malformation utopia systematic unity can't be achieved

Be numb to all the things
That force you to frame

[We are the deceived
Lost in the foreseen]

To wait for aforementioned dreams time will only tell
Tell that the promised have been failed

Behold your fellow man through centuries of control
Adhering to the decrees of a manufactured god

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:34 pm

It's sort of funny to be 100-200 years ahead of the curve. Oh well.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:40 pm



To staying ahead of the curve.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:48 am

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I am working on the hypothesis that meaning is a literal, tangible, "physical" substance. This is per tectonics, of course. The brain is little more than a very sensitive recording instrument -- it records meanings, and by virtue of how the rest of the body is also connected into the hub of the brain, the body becomes activate directly by meaning---namely, as "humanity".

This is Logic 101 of the future philosophy.

While this may be true I suggest that it is only at the individual level and can never be used as a generalized statement. Just like dreams, they are real for the dreamer only.
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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:38 am

It is true at the level of individual brains, and since we all have those it is therefore true for all of us.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:13 am

Capable wrote:
It is true at the level of individual brains, and since we all have those it is therefore true for all of us.

I think you just cheated but I'm not going to say anything.

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:51 am

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I am working on the hypothesis that meaning is a literal, tangible, "physical" substance.


I think that meaning can be equated with "belief" - in the sense that it is also "real" but still intangible.
How do you see meaning as a physical substance? One can say that meaning issues from the mind and the emotions - they are "real" but are they physical? Do they have actual form (well perhaps yes) but real substance?


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The brain is little more than a very sensitive recording instrument -- it records meanings, and by virtue of how the rest of the body is also connected into the hub of the brain, the body becomes activate directly by meaning---namely, as "humanity".


Little more than?  After  millions of  years, it is "little more than"? Mad Yes, they are recording instruments also... but little more than? Nothing complex about it? This physical reality which many call "the final frontier"?
Is it the brain which records meaning or is it the mind by way of the human experience/memories/patterns, et cetera, which does that?



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This is Logic 101 of the future philosophy.
Philosophy of the Mind?

I can though greatly appreciate those who have their own hypotheses which they are working on.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:56 am

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Capable wrote:
It is true at the level of individual brains, and since we all have those it is therefore true for all of us.

I think you just cheated but I'm not going to say anything.

It's not cheating, it's true. The brain is just a very sensitive organic computer, it responds to and records meaning. At first it does this "unconsciously" as creating hardwired instincts that solidify genetically via natural selection, basically just so the organism can survive long enough to procreate; but later in humans the brain becomes so sensitive and with the help of an externalized brain-surrogate model (language) starts to respond to meaning directly, which means to facts directly and to the significance of things. This allows us access to knowledge and ultimately to what is called consciousness.

The brain doesn't create meaning, and meaning is not "in the brain", rather the brain is simply a device capable of registering and reorganizing itself (neural structures) in terms of meaning (facts, larger significances). Ultimately this is all that consciousness really is.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:21 pm

Okay. My mind is at peace regarding this thread once again. I started thinking you were making inferences that I totally disagree with (universal consciousness). I had thought that you were too scientifically minded to be doing anything like that.

But then, I will add that some instincts are common within nearly all of the members of a species. But we each will attach individual meaning to our experiences just as we do regarding our dreams.
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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:32 pm

Capable wrote:
The brain doesn't create meaning, and meaning is not "in the brain", rather the brain is simply a device capable of registering and reorganizing itself (neural structures) in terms of meaning (facts, larger significances). Ultimately this is all that consciousness really is.

Consciousness is more than what occurs solely in the brain of experience gathering intel.
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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:50 pm

Thrasymachus wrote:
I am working on the hypothesis that meaning is a literal, tangible, "physical" substance. This is per tectonics, of course. The brain is little more than a very sensitive recording instrument -- it records meanings, and by virtue of how the rest of the body is also connected into the hub of the brain, the body becomes activate directly by meaning---namely, as "humanity".

This is Logic 101 of the future philosophy.

In as far as we speak of things this is meaning itself, and what we chase in life is meaning. But is breath meaning?
The Chinese live it as such. The breath of life - in Latin, breath is "spiritus".

The Holy Breath.

There is no such thing as "spirit" in Latin -
the holy spirit is literally the holy breath.

What is the holy breath?



This?



“That for which they seek is that which searches.”

 

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PostSubject: Re: Meaning    Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:00 pm

Because holiness is the meaning of meaning itself.

We give things meaning so that ultimately they can be hallowed, and we will hallow ourselves and be made holy thereby, and what is holy is everlasting.

I call this "standard" and "consistency" and "gold" and it comes about through heavy, elemental collisions.
From such heavy elements that don't corrupt, the electrical currents are liberated into beauty.

The Soul is not made out of gold but woven between it.
Silver, therefore, is more substantial to the soul - the mother metal..
But Gold, trace from one owner to the next, and you shall find one of two things; loyalty or betrayal.

There is no middle path with gold and heed all ye who wear it the demons inside, for they will be magnified.

This is not artificial.

 

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