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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:44 pm

To the best of my knowledge it was the USA who caused the instability that exists presently in Syria. It evolved almost as if it was planned by the Obama administration.


And I agree that we (the USA) and Israel should be like twins (born of different mothers).

If Egypt will ever forgive us for fucking up their country they would be an important ally as well.
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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:50 pm

Man I really like that perspective.
Yes, Egypt. If they could tilt to a sane sort of government, which I'm sure they still can, order can be restored. 80 million people right at the crucial edge of worlds.

Israel is of course a child of Egypt.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:39 am

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Man I really like that perspective.
Yes, Egypt. If they could tilt to a sane sort of government, which I'm sure they still can, order can be restored. 80 million people right at the crucial edge of worlds.

Israel is of course a child of Egypt.

Egypt is still having problems with the Muslim Brotherhood ad other terrorist groups, many of which the Obama administration gave weapons to so they could over-throw the government. (Did the same thing in Libya.)

The importance of Israel to the West cannot be overstated.

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:03 am

You seem to be the only one on any of the forums I'm on who does not consider Israel with disdain and disgust. It's a relief to read such words on a philosophy board, I really think it's never happened to me in all the 16 years Ive been on them.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:36 am

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You seem to be the only one on any of the forums I'm on who does not consider Israel with disdain and disgust. It's a relief to read such words on a philosophy board, I really think it's never happened to me in all the 16 years Ive been on them.

I hope this isn't meant to include me. I've never expressed disdain or disgust for Israel.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:04 pm

No, I havent ever seen you speak out either way.
But all the hundreds of people I did talk to about this subject seemed to take it as an axiomatic truth that Jews shouldnt have power.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:27 pm

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No, I havent ever seen you speak out either way.
But all the hundreds of people I did talk to about this subject seemed to take it as an axiomatic truth that Jews shouldnt have power.

My own position has been informed largely by my lack of reliable information. Obviously there are the silly conspiracy theories, most of which I can dismiss easily enough. Then there is obvious racism which is also easy to dismiss and ignore. Otherwise I see value in Israel as being a bastion of reason and a strong ally of the west. I've never been there but get the impression it is a nice place, other than the rocket attacks that come in from Palestine (I know Israel has a badass missive defense system so basically those rockets don't cause any reason damage usually). Israel also seems to have pretty advanced intelligence and military capabilities, but again I don't have any first hand knowledge.

I'm not going to touch on the Rothschilds thing at all, because I don't want us going down that road, and anyway that's another area where verifiable facts are hard to come by.

Generally I would say that I respect Israeli commitment to the ideals of democracy and western values generally, and I am glad they are a sane nuclear-armed presence in the ME. I also like that they desalinate to get drinking water from the sea, and I once heard a passionate defense of West Bank settlement by "frontier-minded" Jewish people who wanted to strike out and settle their sacred lands. Made me think of the spirit of the American West.

Also I know that Obozo didn't like Israel, which is a good reason for me to think Israel is ok.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:13 pm

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No, I havent ever seen you speak out either way.
But all the hundreds of people I did talk to about this subject seemed to take it as an axiomatic truth that Jews shouldnt have power.

My own position has been informed largely by my lack of reliable information. Obviously there are the silly conspiracy theories, most of which I can dismiss easily enough. Then there is obvious racism which is also easy to dismiss and ignore. Otherwise I see value in Israel as being a bastion of reason and a strong ally of the west. I've never been there but get the impression it is a nice place, other than the rocket attacks that come in from Palestine (I know Israel has a badass missive defense system so basically those rockets don't cause any reason damage usually). Israel also seems to have pretty advanced intelligence and military capabilities, but again I don't have any first hand knowledge.

I truly enjoyed it the two periods I was there. One of the nicest things is how theyve worked with success to irrigate te country. All around the Jewish state, land is barren, but Israel is very green. That is all handwork, all effort they made because they love the place so much.

Of course they do terrible things like bulldozing olive trees on Palestinian land. That makes me sick.

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I'm not going to touch on the Rothschilds thing at all, because I don't want us going down that road, and anyway that's another area where verifiable facts are hard to come by.

Agreed. I should not have mentioned the name even, as I was only going at some theory by a journalist. Normally I dont do those things.

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Generally I would say that I respect Israeli commitment to the ideals of democracy and western values generally, and I am glad they are a sane nuclear-armed presence in the ME. I also like that they desalinate to get drinking water from the sea, and I once heard a passionate defense of West Bank settlement by "frontier-minded" Jewish people who wanted to strike out and settle their sacred lands. Made me think of the spirit of the American West.

That's a very generous and nice perspective on that. Could be very powerful if conveyed to the Israelis.
I actually have family in the settlement Hebron. My father went to meet them a few years ago.
We have to note that Israeli settlers tend not exactly to be humanists... they are the most hardened ideologues, only therefore able to live in the middle of a vast ocean of hostile religion.

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Also I know that Obozo didn't like Israel, which is a good reason for me to think Israel is ok.

Obolko really seems to be ruled by an explicitly islamic mindset. It's truly odd that he managed to head the US for a while.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:24 pm

https://www.facebook.com/eurasiadaily.nz/videos/1591135637844089/

Putin on the situation.

Whereas he is very clear on why it likely wasnt Assad who carried out this particular attack, it is also clear that he doesn't take this as personally as he took the Ukraine situation. He is relaxed, calling the Americans his friends, and just gives criticism.

When it was about Ukraine, his face was dark, he spoke with powerful restraint, and it was palpable, also in my own heart, that he would love to go to war over that insanely stupid transgression.

You can feel her that Putin is not really concerned, but knows damn well what kind of strategy is being played, but everything in his demeanor, tone and words tells that he keeps an open door to diplomacy.

They say Russian-US ties are at their worst since decades, I dont think thats the case, at all. 2015 was so bad as we'll likely never see again. I came closer than Ive ever been to killing myself during those 10 days Putin was missing.

 

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:23 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
You seem to be the only one on any of the forums I'm on who does not consider Israel with disdain and disgust. It's a relief to read such words on a philosophy board, I really think it's never happened to me in all the 16 years Ive been on them.

And my heritage is 100% German.

I have no sympathy for terrorists who kill defenseless women and children.

Being a revolutionary is a totally different story.

But with Israel we are talking about terrorism.

But I won't suggest that Israel is squeaky clean. They have made some really bad judgement calls at times.

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PostSubject: Re: News media bullshit    Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:24 pm

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Fixed Cross wrote:
You seem to be the only one on any of the forums I'm on who does not consider Israel with disdain and disgust. It's a relief to read such words on a philosophy board, I really think it's never happened to me in all the 16 years Ive been on them.

I hope this isn't meant to include me. I've never expressed disdain or disgust for Israel.

Good man. Stand up for what you believe.
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