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PostSubject: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:44 am

I have been online trying to convince Trump haters that Trump isn't bad, and in fact that he is quite good. I am trying to convince these clowns that they have been lied to, that they are believing nonsense and their minds are mush. I am showing them evidence and reasoning, and pointing out the lack of any evidence or reasoning on their own part. I am trying to reason with the mob.

Apparently that is impossible. I should have known, but still, I had hope.

I no longer have hope for humanity, knowing these "people" populate it.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:36 am

I am drinking at 7am in the morning, along with my coffee, because I just can't psychically tolerate this bullshit anymore.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:37 am

We live in 1984. Only, it is apparently much worse than the book. Or rather, much more subtle.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:04 am

But also even more stupid, and in the book there is no Trump -
Im giving this shitstorm a few more years.

Ontically, this is inevitable. These are people that have basically been 'built' of lies. They have, all of their entire lives, not seen the truth, they have always selfvalued in terms of the lies about the world that made them feel okay for living their largely sickly privileged lives. Not talking about poor black Clontin voters who just listen to their pastor, though thats very sad too, Im talking about the rich Hollywood crowd that always fancied itself 'philanthropic' while sitting on their hundreds of millions and signing an autograph for an auction for charity. They are the ones who now are confronted with the fact that they are by affiliation responsible for very much suffering, more than they could possibly imagine, and it takes a strong heart to wake up to that and turn away. Looking at these people, we can see that their hears are really just formally there.

So I dont know what will happen, except that they are now in hell, and their violence, lies, they are screams of despair. Best I can do is nod and say "yes, that is very painful for you." They can do a lot of damage around themselves, but on a larger scale, they really do seem to have been disarmed. This is what makes them scream so much louder, compensation.

So they both know they are wrong, and they are without government power - it looks like they would have to dissolve into thin air - but the selfvaluing principle prevents it. The lies are their selfvaluing - hypocrisy is their very entity.

Yes, far too ugly to endure sober.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:37 am

You're right... this insanity of theirs, these inhuman screams are their self-valuing, or rather what is left of it.

Very sick.

"And those who you cannot teach to fly, teach to fall faster." ----N

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:10 pm

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"And those who you cannot teach to fly, teach to fall faster." ----N

Ha! Exactly.

That is hygiene.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:00 am

It all comes out. Joss Whedon, Avenger director, now fantasizes publicly on the torture he wants to inflict on a Paul Ryan. We've seen it before, the anti-Trump camp is basically just one big violent sadistic blob of totalitarian scum. There seems to be no Clontin supporter who would look out of place with a swastika on his arm.

It is no miracle then that under the leadership and guardianship of these "liberal" (unwashed, overtly murderous) icons, the world grew as many vortexes of pain as in the age of the Inquisition.

I hope the coming years all the big Hollywood shits end up where they belong, in the gutter with the trash they produce, and the industry is revived with actual storytelling.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:17 am

Can't expect much from those Hollywood folks. Most of them are all jacked up on cocaine.

And the liberals? Give me a break. Liberal as long as you agree with them. I really don't like hypocrites very much.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:22 am

Liberals are shit. But you have to also realize that they have been made this way, against their own knowledge and desire.

A liberal is a very self-unconscious person who has been filled with lies and emotional reactive programs. But I have seen many fucked up conservatives too, and I grew up around fucked up Christian conservatives to the point where it pushed me almost into being an equally fucked up liberal. That is just how these things go sometimes. Only philosophy and a deep honesty can save us.

My new theory is that political ideologies are only relatively useful, and never objectively useful. "The left" and "the right" basically exist within a small window of historical time in which they serve some function, for example the Chilean Left of which Pablo Neruda was a part served the function of opposing fascism there, same is the case with respect to Italian fascism. Right now in Europe and the US, the right-wing is justified because it opposes liberal fascism of the Obozos and Clontins and Merkels (I dont even need to misspell her name to make it seem fucked) of the world. But once these leftie tyrant retards are removed and things shift a bit back toward the middle-right, these right-wingers are going to become fascist tyrant retards too. Well Trump won't, of course, Trump is the only sane one of the bunch.

But you see my point. It is relative to a need in the historical moment. The left can be justified under right-wing tyranny, and the right can be justified under left-wing tyranny. Of course I am theorizing from the outside here, except for my own present moment in the US and what I can see in real-time in Europe... these so-called right-wing fascist regimes of Chile and Italy (and many others) might not have actually been right-wing, I don't know... I wasn't there, and I don't have enough time and patience to sift through historical data to try and see which is bullshit and which is real. But I have seen GW Bush, and what he did to the Middle East as well as to the US economy (massively increase debt, massively increase socialist medicine) and I am inclined to believe in this idea of the right-wing fascist tyranny just as I believe in the left-wing fascist tyranny because I see it in front of my eyes everywhere now.

Luckily these things move in cycles.

Oh yeah, and only 3 days to go until inauguration! Shit yeah. I am going to be in a great mood all week, that is for sure. I have a nice bottle here waiting to open and toast to Trump on Friday.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:25 am

Oh yeah and while I am at it, let me summarize shit-head Bernie Sanders' position: "1) fuck wealthy capitalists!!! 2) ....We need wealth capitalists' money to run our socialism!! (we need to steal it in the form of more taxes on the rich)"

What a fuckhole.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:26 am

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Can't expect much from those Hollywood folks.  Most of them are all jacked up on cocaine.

I guess thats really what it comes down to.
Ive tried coke a few times. It's such a shitty drug. All I felt was "I dont need this shit, I already accept what Im thinking when Im sober". Coke is just for people who dont like, trust and respect themselves. Which is, I suppose then, what makes a liberal.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:29 am

I tried cocaine once in my life. It honestly did nothing for me. Maybe I felt a slight buzz, I don't know. How weird.

If you want some real philosophical drugs, you need to check out opiates (but not heroin). Opium is nice. Weed is overrated, and destroys many minds (at least it has destroyed the minds of some of my friends from college). LSD is also shit in my opinion, based on what I have seen it do to the minds of people I knew. Amphetamines are ok.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:31 am

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Oh yeah and while I am at it, let me summarize shit-head Bernie Sanders' position: "1) fuck wealthy capitalists!!! 2) ....We need wealth capitalists' money to run our socialism!! (we need to steal it in the form of more taxes on the rich)"

What a fuckhole.

Some more of Bernie Sanders positions:
1) All that matters is that the Clontin doesnt win!
2) All that matters is that the Clontin wins!

So subtle, how he adapts to the terrain.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:38 am

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I tried cocaine once in my life. It honestly did nothing for me. Maybe I felt a slight buzz, I don't know. How weird.

If you want some real philosophical drugs, you need to check out opiates (but not heroin). Opium is nice. Weed is overrated, and destroys many minds (at least it has destroyed the minds of some of my friends from college). LSD is also shit in my opinion, based on what I have seen it do to the minds of people I knew. Amphetamines are ok.

I did some mushrooms in the past, and for the rest, weed is my thing. But only high grade sativas. Indicas are nothing but mindkillers. Kush is just a tranquilizer.

I tried acid twice, it was very interesting and productive both times. I waited to do it till I was past 30 though, I was very fearful of its power. Rightly so, as its hallucinations are absolute. I put a plastic lizard on the stove (off) before, to test the effect. As I returned, as the trip had set in, the lizard, about which I had forgotten, had turned alive, was breathing, and made somehow of fire. I knew it was a hallucination, because I knew I was on a chemical, but this did not make the slightest difference. My cortex had simply made the thing alive, that's that. I couldn't bypass it. Very cool but I can see how young people break because of it.

The aftermath, the next day, was a perfect clarity of emotion. I went to my cousins grave and said to it "you are dead"... something I hadn't acknowledged so formally before. Acid made me appreciate the importance of cold form.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:45 am

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Capable wrote:
Oh yeah and while I am at it, let me summarize shit-head Bernie Sanders' position: "1) fuck wealthy capitalists!!! 2) ....We need wealth capitalists' money to run our socialism!! (we need to steal it in the form of more taxes on the rich)"

What a fuckhole.

Some more of Bernie Sanders positions:
1) All that matters is that the Clontin doesnt win!
2) All that matters is that the Clontin wins!

So subtle, how he adapts to the terrain.


HAHAHAHA. Well said. And his retarded supporters fell for it.

Yeah, man. Fuck this guy. What a shitstain on the earth.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:50 am

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I tried cocaine once in my life. It honestly did nothing for me. Maybe I felt a slight buzz, I don't know. How weird.

If you want some real philosophical drugs, you need to check out opiates (but not heroin). Opium is nice. Weed is overrated, and destroys many minds (at least it has destroyed the minds of some of my friends from college). LSD is also shit in my opinion, based on what I have seen it do to the minds of people I knew. Amphetamines are ok.

I did some mushrooms in the past, and for the rest, weed is my thing. But only high grade sativas. Indicas are nothing but mindkillers. Kush is just a tranquilizer.

I had a nice orange kush from California last year. I can say that it cured me of a lot of emotional shit stress that I was going through at the time, with respect to my job and human relationships. Maybe kush is just useful for this kind of catharsis of stress. But I honestly think it did really save my life in some ways.. Sativas are good, yes you are right about that. I once smoked the most badass purple haze you can imagine... one hit and I was gone. Haha. But in a good way.

But that was back in school. Now I just drink and do philosophy.

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I tried acid twice, it was very interesting and productive both times. I waited to do it till I was past 30 though, I was very fearful of its power. Rightly so, as its hallucinations are absolute. I put a plastic lizard on the stove (off) before, to test the effect. As I returned, as the trip had set in, the lizard, about which I had forgotten, had turned alive, was breathing, and made somehow of fire. I knew it was a hallucination, because I knew I was on a chemical, but this did not make the slightest difference. My cortex had simply made the thing alive, that's that. I couldn't bypass it. Very cool but I can see how young people break because of it.

That is awesome man.

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The aftermath, the next day, was a perfect clarity of emotion. I went to my cousins grave and said to it "you are dead"... something I hadn't acknowledged so formally before. Acid made me appreciate the importance of cold form.

I am very glad it was helpful for you then. I have not done acid, so I can only comment on it from the outside.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:55 am

I refuse to use any "mind-altering" drugs anymore. Philosophy is the only mind-altering that I need anymore.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:58 am

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Liberals are shit. But you have to also realize that they have been made this way, against their own knowledge and desire.

A liberal is a very self-unconscious person who has been filled with lies and emotional reactive programs. But I have seen many fucked up conservatives too, and I grew up around fucked up Christian conservatives to the point where it pushed me almost into being an equally fucked up liberal. That is just how these things go sometimes. Only philosophy and a deep honesty can save us.

My new theory is that political ideologies are only relatively useful, and never objectively useful. "The left" and "the right" basically exist within a small window of historical time in which they serve some function, for example the Chilean Left of which Pablo Neruda was a part served the function of opposing fascism there, same is the case with respect to Italian fascism. Right now in Europe and the US, the right-wing is justified because it opposes liberal fascism of the Obozos and Clontins and Merkels (I dont even need to misspell her name to make it seem fucked) of the world. But once these leftie tyrant retards are removed and things shift a bit back toward the middle-right, these right-wingers are going to become fascist tyrant retards too. Well Trump won't, of course, Trump is the only sane one of the bunch.

Trump has his ear to the ground. He's hiring some others who have learned to do that in the field, Mad Dog and T-Rex for example are pretty solid guys. But what's more, he's listening to the internet. Because the internet elected him. He knows.

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But you see my point. It is relative to a need in the historical moment. The left can be justified under right-wing tyranny, and the right can be justified under left-wing tyranny. Of course I am theorizing from the outside here, except for my own present moment in the US and what I can see in real-time in Europe... these so-called right-wing fascist regimes of Chile and Italy (and many others) might not have actually been right-wing, I don't know... I wasn't there, and I don't have enough time and patience to sift through historical data to try and see which is bullshit and which is real. But I have seen GW Bush, and what he did to the Middle East as well as to the US economy (massively increase debt, massively increase socialist medicine) and I am inclined to believe in this idea of the right-wing fascist tyranny just as I believe in the left-wing fascist tyranny because I see it in front of my eyes everywhere now.

Yeah but then Clontin and Bush are part of the same social cliques, those dormroom agreements, these silly games with occult icons, all that backwash of the masons that were involved in the architecture of the country, as well as religious orders and old money - its not really politics, not functional in any case, just perversion of power as it is inherited.

I suppose indeed the right wing fascists are going to be the next obstacle.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:07 am

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I tried cocaine once in my life. It honestly did nothing for me. Maybe I felt a slight buzz, I don't know. How weird.

If you want some real philosophical drugs, you need to check out opiates (but not heroin). Opium is nice. Weed is overrated, and destroys many minds (at least it has destroyed the minds of some of my friends from college). LSD is also shit in my opinion, based on what I have seen it do to the minds of people I knew. Amphetamines are ok.

I did some mushrooms in the past, and for the rest, weed is my thing. But only high grade sativas. Indicas are nothing but mindkillers. Kush is just a tranquilizer.

I had a nice orange kush from California last year. I can say that it cured me of a lot of emotional shit stress that I was going through at the time, with respect to my job and human relationships. Maybe kush is just useful for this kind of catharsis of stress. But I honestly think it did really save my life in some ways.. Sativas are good, yes you are right about that. I once smoked the most badass purple haze you can imagine... one hit and I was gone. Haha. But in a good way.

That's nice, yes every first time I take weed after a long abstinence has this completely soothingh effec of integrating all traumas into a delicious insight.

In Amsterdam there's this American run coffeeshop where they sell the finest Kush, there are actually lines from the counter up to the street, and Ive actually been in that line. It was the only time I really enjoyed Kush, the summer before I decided to come here.

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But that was back in school. Now I just drink and do philosophy.

Drinking is cool, but I can't do it too long for too often - last year I had a lot of fun with it, upon my arrival here. I was living in somewhat of a ghetto, a lot of former convicts in the bar, a lot of coke being done, but good spirits. Alone I dont drink, even if it is only because I havent found my liquor yet.

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I am very glad it was helpful for you then. I have not done acid, so I can only comment on it from the outside.

I think it brings out the capacity for construction.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:10 am

I only drink alone.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:12 am

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I refuse to use any "mind-altering" drugs anymore. Philosophy is the only mind-altering that I need anymore.

I agree with that.
Drugs once disrupted the order of my mind, and philosophy has come about as the way I have altered my own mind back into existence (as freedom).

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:14 am

And no philosophical idea has ever come out of a hallucinogen. For me, I mean.
Weed just facilitates integration, it can be helpful to philosophy like I imagine opiates do to a greater degree.
I tend to trust weed because it makes things difficult.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:19 am



Halluiginogetics are at best preliminary means.... opening a cocooned mind to the chaos from which the stars of the philosophical constellations, Philosophers, Dracones, can emerge, and value the cosmos into being.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:28 am


 

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"We must, now armed with such a language, realize the “transcendental unity of ideas,” through a new morality that aims, not to hypostasize experience and grasp in positive knowledge a series of particular virtues and vices, but rather to fully explicate this continuity; where philosophy exists to represent this transcendental order, morality most exist to mediate the two spheres, the spheres of experience and ideality." --Parodites

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:33 am

Capable wrote:
I only drink alone.

Ive often tried. I get the urge to talk to people.

 

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