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PostSubject: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:08 pm

To begin, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/19/global-warming-is-good-says-president-trumps-science-guru/


    "The predicted warming from more CO2 is grossly exaggerated. The equilibrium warming from doubling CO2 is not going to be 3° C, which might marginally be considered a problem, but closer to 1° C, which will be beneficial. One should not forget that the “global warming” is an average value. There will be little warming in the tropics and little warming at midday. What warming occurs will be mostly in temperate and polar regions, and at night. This will extend the agricultural growing season in many countries like Canada, Scandinavia, and Russia. More CO2greatly increases the efficiency of photosynthesis in plants and makes land plants more drought-resistant. So, the net result of more CO2 will be strongly beneficial for humanity." --William Happer, PhD, Princeton physicist and professor, and former Director of the Office of Energy Research at the US Department of Energy

    William Happer is the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Emeritus, in the Department of Physics at Princeton University. A long-time member of JASON, a group of scientists which provides independent advice to the U.S. government on matters relating to science, technology, and national security, Happer served as Director of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Science from 1991–1993.

    Best known to the general public as a vocal critic of the U.N. IPCC “consensus” on global warming, he has been called frequently to give expert testimony before various U.S. congressional committees on the subject of global warming (climate change). In 2015, he found himself at the center of a new controversy involving a so-called “sting” operation organized by Greenpeace.

    A list of some of Professor Happer’s major research publications may be accessed here (http://physics.princeton.edu/atomic/happer/Publications.html).


Compile your data and arguments in this thread and we will have it all battle it out until there is a clear winner.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:54 pm

Well, we are still exiting the last Ice Age so it should be a given that there will continue to be global warming until the cycle reverses and we start toward a new ice age.

I rarely use the term "global warming" but rather use "climate change". And climate change is a natural event of the Earth's tilt on its axis.

I am sure we humans are adding more CO2 to the environment than humans did a million years ago. But I doubt what we are doing makes any significant difference.

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:42 am

How dare you! Some bureaucrats have just received huge bribes to say that global warming is directly correlated to CO2 emissions! They have promised us that they have an exact handle on how much the temperature will rise! They promised us ok? So you are a woman hating pussygrabber.

Plus did they even have instagram in the ice age? Iiii didnt think so. No one cares.

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if CO2 amounts to global warming, then the worst we can do (if we dislike global warming, which Canada does not, as it will make it the most powerful harbor nation on the planet) is to buy electrical cars and solar panels.

The CO2 emission profile of an average Tesla car exceeds by 5 times or so a normal car as it comes from the factory. Putting these shitpieces together is radically disastrous in its cost. Official numbers have a electrical car becoming marginally cleaner than a gasoline engine after 20 years of driving. Considering all this is new technology and batteries arent well known for their lasting power, it seems entirely unlikely that these cars will averagely last even half that long.


 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:01 am

Haha.

The mark of a rational society would be that it can use all available resources to its benefit. CO2 emissions are a potential resource, we need to figure out how to use them. CO2 can be split into useful carbon and oxygen for example.


 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:12 am

Thats more like it!

Value increases as value is exchanged. This is how the universe 'came together', how the planet works, what an ecosystem is.

So yes, why not build a device that captures the emissions, compresses them, so as to be processed into something useful?

How much volume do emissions constitute? Say I burn 20 gallons of gas with an average car, and compress the exhaust into fluid form.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:16 am

Nature already has a nice model for carbon dioxide capture: photosynthesis. We need to be making machines that photosynthesize oxygen out of carbon dioxide, so you get a double effect: for every unit of CO2 recycled you not only remove it from the atmosphere but you get a unit of oxygen in return.

It shouldn't be too hard to design an artificial biomass of considerable size, I always envision massive floating balloons way up in the sky, each one dozens of miles wide. Up above the clouds where sunlight is always plentiful. Then here on the ground we can have massive electrolysis plants drawing in atmospheric CO2 and splitting it into carbon and oxygen atoms. Just like how Israel is already getting half its water supply from desalination plants, we can do that too and solve the drought problems around the world. Also there are already small machines that run entirely on solar power and create drinking water from the air. Imagine that, a machine the size of a water cooler in your living room that produces gallons of drinking water every day without any need for electricity.

So scale up production processes for things like this and we can address all these environmental problems in a wise way.

 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:13 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:

The CO2 emission profile of an average Tesla car exceeds by 5 times or so a normal car as it comes from the factory. Putting these shitpieces together is radically disastrous in its cost. Official numbers have a electrical car becoming  marginally cleaner than a gasoline engine after 20 years of driving. Considering all this is new technology and batteries arent well known for their lasting power, it seems entirely unlikely that these cars will averagely last even half that long.

Actually, I have a solar-electric car. It is a 1984 Honda Wagovan. It was converted in 1989.

I bought it six years ago and restored it to pretty good condition. I drive it locally to do shopping. It has lead/acid batteries so they are not as efficient as the lithium batteries but considering I use it on average once every four days the solar panel do most of the battery charging and I rarely have to plug it in to charge it.

When the batteries were new, gas prices were at $3.50/gal, and before I put the solar panels on it got the energy equivalent of 90 miles per gallon of gas.

The batteries are aging so it isn't that great any more but with the solar panels I use little external energy.
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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:22 pm

The only way in which I am ahead of you guys is in aggression about getting this message out there, meaning to Trumps energy department.

These massive balloons, I can breathe deeper already.

The archetype of Nietzsche's Child can be related to this phrase / there comes a time when 'politics' will have a different meaning through this vision.


 

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PostSubject: Re: A thread for proving or debunking climate change    Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:32 pm

I don't even like the word "politics". Is there perhaps a better word for those who are supposedly serving the people?
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