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PostSubject: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:57 am

In the EU there are laws against speech that is offensive or insensitive. You can actually go to prison for saying something "rude" or "mean", if the right person overhears you and takes you to court.

But why is there not a clause embedded in the law that stipulates if something offensive/insensitive is also true then the saying cannot be considered criminal?

Obviously such laws should not exist at all. But given that they do exist, because apparently most Europeans are pussies, these laws should at least have clauses allowing for such statements to be legally made provided that the statements can be demonstrably considered true. Namely, if you are taken to court over something you said or wrote, you should be able to defend yourself by showing that what you said happens to be true. I don't think that is how it currently works, though.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:52 am

The more laws a society has the more criminals that society will have.

Governments are beginning to negate the need for gods.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:37 pm

Why the fuck do Europeans not demand the right to freedom of speech? Is this simply holocaust guilt, or what?

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:13 pm

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Why the fuck do Europeans not demand the right to freedom of speech? Is this simply holocaust guilt, or what?

Which speech laws are you referring to?

I know of the law against incitement to hate, which goes for representatives. Its a dangerous law, but it doesn't really curb free speech.

It's just that the people themselves don't allow thinking in their midst.

World Wars in Europe is far worse a trauma than merely the holocaust, and these wars are absolutely great part of the reason of European apprehension before people-power - as Parodites had correctly identified that these two wars were peoples wars.

An entire generation of men was sacrificed in WWI, just to have an equally bad war ensue. People dont want this ever again, so they shun nationalistic aggression at all cost.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:25 pm

The problem in Europe is not with authorities. These are simply symptoms of the craziness that has wrecked through the various attempts at permanent civilization that different peoples made.

The problem is rather that there is no aim, no objective.
This is an essential unfreedom, inability to speak. There is nothing to say.

What would be most beneficial for Europe right now is a Philosophy of the Future.



It speaks for itself that my plan for Europe as Ive outlined and detailed it in the past years, in videos and posts, is to my eyes the best plan. In fact it is the only way Ive ever seen that could lead forward.

Three pointers:

France leaves EU
Italy takes more prominance
Germany is conditioned to reality through Amsterdam

Center of the actually European Union is the following:
The Rome-Amsterdam Axis

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:29 pm

I've heard of peoole being fined or imprisoned for saying politically incorrect things, or for denying the Holocaust or putting up a swastika for example. Let Pen had her "immunity" retroactively cancelled so she could be sued for having posted about ISIS violence. I've heard plenty of similar stories. But yeah you're right that the peoole just don't tolerate it, they repress themselves. But I believe what is needed is a near-absolute guarantee to free speech and free press at all costs, as a primary value and legal principle. People should know they are not at danger from saying something unpopular.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:36 pm

You are right, there are more conditions than in the US - and representatives do indeed not have total freedom of speech. In a sense the attacks on Trump are similar - the truth is always illegal, as legality is always a primordial crime.

Regardless, nothing can be imposed on the Europeans from the outside.
Europe must be reformed by a European, from the inside.

I'm willing to state that Europe will simply not be free without my plan, period.
Thus: there is no point discussing Euro-affairs in any other terms than this plan.

France and Germany can never function under the same standards. That is far more certain than that "A" = "A", it is actual value ontology.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:46 pm

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I've heard of peoole being fined or imprisoned for saying politically incorrect things, or for denying the Holocaust or putting up a swastika for example. Let Pen had her "immunity" retroactively cancelled so she could be sued for having posted about ISIS violence. I've heard plenty of similar stories. But yeah you're right that the peoole just don't tolerate it, they repress themselves. But I believe what is needed is a near-absolute guarantee to free speech and free press at all costs, as a primary value and legal principle. People should know they are not at danger from saying something unpopular.


In fact most muslims are denying the holocaust, but Ive not seen anyone imprisoned for that.
Freedom of speech that is used and turned to mass-lying by perverted political wills allows a lot of actual victims in Europe to be quite destroyed and robbed of honor.

Freedom is never a beginning. It is a result of strength. Freedom of speech belongs to sane people. Insane people aren't free in their mind/heart, thus freedom of speech doesnt apply to them.

In fact Europe could use a lot more coercion and actual top down rulership - but not from Brussels, but from Rome and Amsterdam.

Hail Caesar....
What saved the US is the Strong Man. Same for Russia. And it is precisely that type of human that's been feared in Europe as the hallmark of fascism.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:07 pm

Freedom as a result of strength, yes. The imposition of a legal order is required, the uncomfortable truth is that the basic guarantee is one of primordial force. Once such a system is set up it becomes convenient to forget this fact.

Trump galvanized people, I see him as a sign of what America wanted-needed. Europe could have the same thing if not for Europe's stupid parliamentary coalition government systems. Those systems prevent true democracy qua representation as binary 1/0 decision-making, thus politics in Europe could in theory never act as a mind and mirror for societies in the general sense.

Freedom also creates its own luck, its own possibilities. The future is infinite even a few iterations forward in time, and legal freedom recognizes this basic fact and that fact's connection to vitality and valuing, to the possibility for a flourishing life.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:19 pm

First of all we need to stop pretending Europe is unity or entity of any sort like a nation. There is little or in common between Ireland and Spain or Holland and Poland. There is no European self-valuing. There should never be European law. The idea of a European constitution has been rejected by all peoples in referendums, and that was ignored. It doesn't really legally exist to my mind, nor should or will it.

All Europe can be is a texture of vastly differing and fundamentally independent nation states, a group of which invented the nation state, the national identity.

In 100 years, some European countries will be world powers again, whereas others will not even exist anymore.

There is no such thing as Europe in political terms.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:38 pm

Yes that makes sense. I use the term Europe primarily for convenience, but I see the danger you mention, of assuming too much homogeneity amongst the various nations and cultures there.

I remember when the Euro currency was first introduced, it was after I had already been to Italy and spent their lira while there. I wasn't that old yet, but I remember being deeply offended at the idea that these countries and peoples were being forced to abandon their unique currencies for a common one. It still feels offensive to me.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:10 pm

Yes, all our currencies were beautiful.
Google "gulden biljetten".

To assume France and Germany are under one value roof is to assume the US and Iran are identical.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:16 pm

Wow you are right, very nice currency.

Point taken about France and Germany.

Here in the US I hear a lot of alarmism that the collapse of the Euro/EU would be an economic disaster for the US and to dollar, but I honestly don't believe that. But honestly the EU is falling apart regardless. I'm still somewhat shocked that European nations actually allowed the EU and the Euro in the first place.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:01 am

It was a sudden decision really, it felt like. It just happened.

As of this week I am aiming for a relinquishing of France from the Euro, as France is stronger without the EU and the EU is more of a well oilable machine without France.

Return to national currencies will not necessarily be of interest to the central Euro axis, in the current political climate. We can't go back - there must be some continuation of the functionality - i.e. the riches that have been acquired can't be squandered. Too much is lost already - cutting our losses has started with Brexit and is going to happen, sensibly, with France, or otherwise I just don't see the possibility of improvement. But Germany, Austria, Italy, the Netherlands and Sweden could form a deeply functional axis.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:47 pm

This is precisely what I was talking about, no concept of freedom of speech whatsoever. If you can't protect unpopular speech then no speech is safe.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSKBN16L14G

"Germany already has some of the world's toughest hate speech laws covering defamation, slander, public incitement to commit crimes and threats of violence, backed up by prison sentences for Holocaust denial or inciting hatred against minorities. It now aims to update these rules for the social media age.

..."We do not want an internet police or thought control," the council's president, Josef Schuster, said. "But when hatred is stoked, and the legal norms in our democracy threaten to lose their relevance, then we need to intervene."


Wow.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:48 pm

"When hatred is stoked".... translation: when you say something that the ruling establishment doesn't want you to say.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:50 pm

Political correctness is the worst fucking disease imaginable, a true disease of language. Politics-legality is acting as a parasite infesting language; it breeds larva, goo-humans.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:44 pm

Yes, that is fascism.
It shouldn't surprise us really, the Germans never had any other tendencies.


 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:08 pm

ok check out this barbie of the third reich.
Not the guy in the thumbnial, that is Wilders, who knows what it means to have values. His opponent, who is hired for one reason alone: to get muslims to vote for his party. He has alientated most muslims as well as most socialists. Here again, he instantly begins to demonize Wilders in terms even more grotesque than a Calligula speech. This is the sort of man you need to imagine if you want to understand Brussels.



This is Wilders vs Asscher, who has made the soclal democrat party plummet but still manages to be arrogant.
If there is a contest for soul-lessness, he leads the charts in the Netherlands.

Look at him.
Mussolinis favorite pet.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:07 pm




^ Haha, fuck yeah.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:43 am

Polish PM stands firm for truth, despite threats from EU:

"“I hear in Europe very often: do not connect the migration policy with terrorism, but it is impossible not to connect them,” the Polish premier told the TVN24 broadcasting network.

Poland’s governing Law and Justice Party (PiS) is currently locked in a struggle with the EU’s unelected executive, the European Commission, over its refusal to accept 6,200 migrants under a bloc-wide mandatory quota system, which was imposed despite the resistance of much of Central Europe.

“If some of them do not comply,” he warned, “the Commission has the power [and] the tools to convince these countries.”

The bloc wishes to fine member-states €250,000 for every migrant they refuse to receive – a sanction which would cost Poland billions, but be difficult to impose.

Swedish MEP Cecilia Wikström has proposed simply withholding funds from ‘troublesome’ countries – a punishment which would be easier to implement.

Poland has taken a similarly no-nonsense stance after other European terror events, with interior minister Mariusz Błaszczak declaring in no uncertain terms that “well-organised marches” and “painted flowers on the sidewalks” are no solution to Europe’s terror crisis after the Bastille Day truck attack in Nice, France.

“We must reject political correctness and call things by their true names,” he said. “Rather than shedding tears like [European Union High Representative Federica] Mogherini [and] organising marches that solve nothing, authorities should ensure the safety of citizens.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/23/polish-prime-minister-impossible-not-connect-terrorism-migration-policy/

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:53 am

Soros-funded NGOs and EU politicians sneaking in backdoor thought crime legislation in Ireland:

https://vid.me/xqVe

"If you want to know who rules over you, find the people you're not allowed to criticize."

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:48 am

Feminists and women finally waking up to what radical Islamic immigration represents for them:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/31/swedish-feminists-flee-suburbs-due-islamic-fundamentalists/

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:24 am

It is very possible that at one point China will begin methodically eradicating Islam. Coldly, without any human consideration, as one approaches a pest. Islam controls much of the resources they feel entitled to.

I googled around a bit (whats the alternative engine you used, something with duck?) on this subject, to see if anyone has similar thinking as Ive been having since a muslim generals son explained to me a few primordial fears of Islam, and ran into this Christians blog article, which conveys the same sort of idea.

http://shoebat.com/2015/06/30/china-bans-islam-and-says-it-does-not-give-a-darn-to-all-the-cry-babies-who-complain/

China wants world-dominion, not a monopoly, but it knows itself a primacy of the Earth. Eventually Islam, as it grows larger, dumber, uglier and more of a nuisance, will just come to stand in its way. Which is an unfortunate position, to stand in the way of China's idea of progress.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Eurofascism   Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:32 am

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