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PostSubject: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:26 pm

This guy is a joke, I've been listening to his confirmation hearings. He refuses to state any of his values as pertains to cases or situations he is asked about, and constantly evades questions with "well, that is an act of this congress, not for me to legislate" or similar rubbish.

This is how you spot a bullshitter: they keep repeating what you already know, and what they already know you know, never answering the actual question. He has obviously been coached too, because his responses are almost always verbatim, "Senator, (pause), with all due respect, that is a matter for this legislative body." Yeah no shit, thanks for the civics 101 lesson, the legislature makes the laws. Wow. Amazing. I had no idea. I just wanted your opinion and view on the law and related issues and implications, the values associated that would help determine how you would approach such a case as a justice, but oh fucking well I guess you have no values or ideas on anything.



 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:40 pm

You got to admit he totally nails it here.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/im-not-god-gorsuch-tells-franken-that-he-cant-fix-confirmation-process/

It would absolutely be inappropriate for a judge to speak out on behalf of the executive branch. Id be getting pissed but thats why he is a judge, he doesnt. The end is beautifully humiliating.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:03 pm

As much as I don't like Frankenstein, he has a point here, and Gorsuch refuses to even touch it. A 10 million dollar spend for Gorsuch by secret money and the GOP indeed talking about Gorsuch in the way they did-- Frankenstein wasn't wrong, they aren't lying when they talk about him that way. He has a history of incredibly pro-corporate, anti-individual rulings.

Gorsuch simply turns off and runs on sleep mode, repeats the same evasion, won't say what his values are. Yes sometime it would not be appropriate for him to comment on specifics, however the entire point of the confirmation process is to get a look at how and what the judge thinks, with respect to specifics. Gorsuch himself is making a mockery of this process.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:25 pm

Point taken. However, the question is so suggestive, that it really doesn't leave him much choice. He can hardly say "yes, I believe they had this agenda when they appointed me." A judge has to keep up at least the pretense of impartiality, it's like the gills in a fish.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:52 pm

If he won't talk about his thoughts and values-judgments pertaining to specific legal cases, then what the fuck is the point of these confirmation hearings? To watch him sit there saying "Senator with all due respect, that's your job" for 30 hours? Fucking hell. What a piece of shit.

He seems like a neoliberal to me, certainly not a conservative. I would say neocon except for his particular style of smug lying-evasion, which quite reminds me of Shillery.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:45 am

But remember, he is a judge. He is supposed to be without opinion. He is being asked for opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:45 am

Sisyphus wrote:
But remember, he is a judge.  He is supposed to be without opinion.  He is being asked for opinions.

He's not supposed to be without values and ideas. Being a judge doesn't mean you are some kind of impersonal robot, objectively applying the law. Law is rarely that clear and straight-forward, in particular at the appellate and supreme court levels.

Applying the law is all about interpretations, very nuanced concerns and value-hierarchizing regarding competing interests, vague levels of certainty, assessing and weighing intentions, motivations and consequences, and reconciling contrasting statutes by determining that one trumps another for various reasons.

The ENTIRE POINT of a judicial confirmation process is to get an idea of how that person does all that. Gorsuch refuses to let anyone do that. He is acting like a Shillery clone, and if you look at his decisions he likes to side with large corporations against the interest of individual people who have been wronged by those corporations. Go ahead and check for yourself.

I can't believe Trump picked this fucking drone. He isn't conservative in any real sense, as far as I can see. But feel free to prove me wrong and highlight one or two things about him that indicate he is in fact a reasonable, conservative, rational, small-government, individual rights-focused Constitutionalist.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:46 am

The fault is at least for 80 percent with the moronic interlocutor who apparently has no idea what a judge is or that there is such a thing as separation of powers. What a tool. Who is that guy, where did they dig that moron up? He needs a course in law.

Dont ask a judge questions which for him to answer would amount to compromise of the state. Jesus Christ, what is this, Uzbekistan?

 

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PostSubject: Re: Gorsuch, the complete tool   Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:17 am

Thrasymachus wrote:

He's not supposed to be without values and ideas. Being a judge doesn't mean you are some kind of impersonal robot, objectively applying the law. Law is rarely that clear and straight-forward, in particular at the appellate and supreme court levels.

Applying the law is all about interpretations, very nuanced concerns and value-hierarchizing regarding competing interests, vague levels of certainty, assessing and weighing intentions, motivations and consequences, and reconciling contrasting statutes by determining that one trumps another for various reasons.

The ENTIRE POINT of a judicial confirmation process is to get an idea of how that person does all that. Gorsuch refuses to let anyone do that. He is acting like a Shillery clone, and if you look at his decisions he likes to side with large corporations against the interest of individual people who have been wronged by those corporations. Go ahead and check for yourself.

I can't believe Trump picked this fucking drone. He isn't conservative in any real sense, as far as I can see. But feel free to prove me wrong and highlight one or two things about him that indicate he is in fact a reasonable, conservative, rational, small-government, individual rights-focused Constitutionalist.

I can't argue your points right now as I have been keeping up with it enough to be able to make statements. I do agree with you regarding applying the law based on fact (not opinion).

We'll see how things go for him today.

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