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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:49 am

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Hey Now

this was about the only chick on dutch media whose voice I could stand
apparently shes gone into politics.



I would vote for her.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:01 pm

So will I.

Meantime, some Dutch people have actually gotten somewhat offended by Erdogan calling all Dutchmen remnants of nazis because he cant send his minions to campaign for his coup.

http://m.telegraaf.nl/article/27780443/erdogan-noemt-ons-nazi-overblijfselen-en-fascisten

So do e people are crying oh no mean Erdie, while Erdie is already sending several ministers illegally into our country and threatens to crash Dutch planes.

But that is normal, he isnt white. He deserves to be really angry that poor ma.. Sorry, that is sexist, that poor... thing.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:29 pm

HAHa, yeah Erdie can propose bombing planes and that's acceptable, but if a native Dutch proposes being able to have freedom of speech that is not acceptable.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:59 pm

Ive misrepresented, the PM has actually diverted the Turkish ministers plane, preventing him from landing.
https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/conflict-tussen-nederland-en-turkije-escaleert-volledig~a58009a7/
He had originally said that the minister would not receive a formal welcome, and would be pressured to stay at home. Then finally he actually ordered the plane to not land.

"The heaviest means I have at my disposal" he said.

This is Mark Rutte, who may very well again win the elections. He is a right wing centrist.
With my blueprint for the European Future, I will need the Netherlands to not only remain n the EU but also take a more opportunistic position to come out on top - and Mark Rutte is the type of slippery guy that can 'glide' us into that position.  

US power is based not on freedom, but on will to power, which led to freedoms. All that can save Europe now is that individual parts start to exert their self-valuing will to power - the aim of the European Alliance should be that all will try by peaceful means to be its rulers.

Things starting to take shape.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:06 pm

As I figured from her character, Ancilla van de Leest, as that beauty is called, is leading the Pirate Party. That happens to be the party I voted for in the last 2 elections, so that's solid.

No prospects of power, but at least a standard can be addressed.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:11 pm

Pirate Party, wow. I feel immense joy at just the idea of that being a real thing.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:13 pm

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Pirate Party, wow. I feel immense joy at just the idea of that being a real thing.

Maybe write a manifesto for them. Surely they can use some help.  And these are real people, like Trump, that listen to other real people, with minds and so on.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:11 pm

I cant make up my mind truly on what I think is the best case scenario for Holland.

So i was having all these thoughts yesterday and before about it theoretically being able to become the center tot he EU, given France leaves. But a lot of other givens need to be in place, which I realize arent actually at all given.

Such as, if VVD wins, the party that controls government now, they would have to actually have intelligence in their craniums to pull something like this off. Which they dont.

Thus, if this best case dream of mine cant happen, well ---
*Pezer type laugh*

Let's first see how the elections go.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:03 pm

lol




 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:17 am

Damnation, theyre really going at it with Ryancare. What a massive sabotage. Ryan now saying itll be a bloodbath if his bill isnt supported, yeah, ok thats how democracy works. You propose something and unleash hell if it isnt voted for. Great, great thinking on the part of Ryan. Exciting to see all this. Leaders in their field.

You'd never think Nietzsche would end up being the one rolling around in his grave and potentially generating energy for millions of households.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:26 am

Plus threats to the White House that it isnt safe and a 40 man commando could easily take it, that will make Trump feel very calm.

It's weird to be in open war where everyone is too scared of his own shadow to admit that it is war.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:31 am

Ah I get it.
I think this is the singularity.
Which doesnt exist. It's the thing that happened instead.

2 things:
completion of the apocalyptic surveillance web including turning cars into weapons to be controlled by anyone whatsoever
loss of monopoly by the leading party because of the nature of the completed web.
That was unanticipated. It simply made itself irrelevant, and all it can do now is go down and make the world hell in its pathetic departure.

We'll all be cyborgs by the end of this. Simply by having learned to defend ourselves and our assets in an omniparasitic cybernetic paradigm.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:28 am

Growing pains are hell.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:14 pm

So Wilders loses, I lost faith at his big lie about Jesus yesterday.... he claimed Jesus doesnt exist in the Koran. That is ridiculous. He should at least know what he is attacking. If it was a deliberate lie it is worse.

But the Erdogan incident played into Ruttes cards. He showed the world he could not be fucked with, essentially. "We recommend that you leave. We'll escort you across the border"... hahaha, it's so German. But the Germans dont have it in them anymore. Holland actually has Germany by the balls now.  Rotterdam harbor is already their main port, now Erdogan is Ruttes bitch whereas Merkel is still Erdogans. Well, symbolically for the moment.
It feels right.

Rotterdam after the Germans "sent a message".



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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:53 am

Elections can be rigged. Maybe this was one of them.

I expect it in France next month too. The public sentiment is clear, these rational national movements are the momentum now; thus the globalists will do anything to stop them. I actually expect any serious rational national candidate to lose now, including Le Pen, precisely because they actually won in their respective electione.

The fact they won, means they lost, because the establishment globalists have learned their lesson with Brexit and Trump. They will not allow it to happen again.

Their new plan is probably going to be: manipulate/fake the elections from now on to try and mindfuck the populace into actually thinking they aren't really a majority rational national movement anymore. I think Russia helped out the US by calling attention to the possibility of election hacking prior to the presidential election, thus making it much harder for the globalists (in this case Shillery) to steal it, as they stole it for Bush Jr for example.

Well that's not technically correct, they didn't care who won, Gore or Bush; but they were scamming so obviously that an entire US national election apparently came down to about 500 votes, haha. Such obvious tampering.

Anyway, fuck these shitstains. It's going to be war.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:14 am

At least PVV picked up some seats and is now the second largest party.



 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:02 am

In funny display of irony, Erdie and various EU globalists call Wilders "fascist". Lol.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:28 am

The story in the Netherlands is far more complex. It certainly never looks rigged, nor was this unexpected or undesirable, as Ive been writing. Rutte is a much more truthful figure.

Wilders used to be much bigger. Then he got into government, and broke his promises the first week. Then that cabinet fell, new elections, his party lost. Now he climbed back somewhat, but it was never going to be within any reach of power, since he has proven unreliable in coalition.

As a philosopher I cant get too enthused over mr. Wilders.
My argument for political order is embedded in the nations actual history and its real culture. Wilders is from Indonesian parents in Limburg, a backland. As Ive said before, he offers no economic politics. Foreign support for him is not generally support of Dutch culture or ethics. Nor is Wilders own so called Judaeo Christian agenda grounded in these powerful secular origins. He just uses catchphrases, he is no Thorbecke.

He lost quite simply because he has little to offer and is a liar, and people like me don't like that. They thought they could rely on him to tell the truth. Thats apparently not the case, as I explained above. Very stupid of him.

He was never going to be any kind of Trump, naturally - he is hardly a self made billionaire with contacts throughout all the worlds most powerful circles, he doesnt even have the outline of an economic plan.

As sad as it is in Europe, its not quite as pathetic as all that. It still a desired goal for most of the worlds population, and Ive disclosed some pretty interesting perspectives on it in recent posts. I may transpose some of them to this thread.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:07 pm

Breitbart is "fake-newsing" now with Holland, claiming there was a collapse of mainstream parties, where the VVD is still bigger than it ever was before this decade, CDA, an old mainstream party, has climbed in seats again, D66, another mainstream party, has climbed and so has Groen Links.

Mainstream parties easily hold 120 of the 150 seats.

With international commentary on the Dutch elections Ive gotten a taste of what it is like to be analyzed in terms of foreign interests and knowledge. These analyses have very little bearing on the realities that cause the actual outcomes.

The Dutch have basically decided they enjoy the power they have. And with Brexit, they have more power at the tip of their fingers than they've had since they sold New Amsterdam to the Brits.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:16 pm

Sure it will continue to rumble between Islam and indigenous values, but that would not be resolved by electing a politician with whom no one is prepared to govern because he breaks his promises, and who makes it very hard for a big layer of the working population to show themselves in the streets. It would not have helped, not one bit, to elect Wilders.

None of this goes for Le Pen - I know as little of her economic plans and her true base as those who dont understand Dutch can know about Wilders. I just know France has a betters shot as an independent nation than Holland has, as we've always been a hub, rather than a self-sufficient locus.

Rutte will be far more capable of working with Trump on a mutually beneficial basis than any other person we have working in politics in the Netherlands.

And here's one thing the nonDutch may not be aware of: Rutte came to power with an agenda of resisting Islam and non-western values. He defeated the traditional party of the Socialists, and has, with Wilders, seen them now reduced to below 10 seats... but there are 2 Socialist parties that can back up that loss - Groen Links, SP - and one centrist party that takes a lot of their votes, D66. But the party that has been defeated, PdvA, is the party that more or less singlehandedly organized all the immigration, and prohibited integration, during the 70's, 80's and 90's.  Theyve been butchered, with their mini-Mussolini, who is so dense and autistic that he doesnt even seem to realize he has had anything to do with his own loss.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:47 pm

What has Wilders lied about? All I know is he is honest about the threat of mass immigration and non-western Muslims becoming a new barbarian horde. He said "the Netherlands does not belong to others, it belongs to us." In the US for example many Hispanic Americans supported Trump, they do not like illegal or mass non-western immigration either.

I don't see Muslim Americans or Muslim Dutch following the same rationale. Muslims vote something like 90% socialist, and they are more or less a religious political bloc as well. Not so for Hispanics for example.

Rutte made some comment about "rejecting populism" now, and all these people are praising a "tolerant society". That is bullshit virtue signaling, mere socialist leftist propaganda. Maybe I don't know enough about Rutte but his opposition to the kind of rational national and anti-Islamic approach that Winders was going for makes me suspect him. What is the difference between Rutte and the globalists? If The Netherlands just wants to be a hub for other nation's wealth and capital flow that's a quite globalistic view that essentially admits that the Dutch themselves have little to offer other than management, as you said. Their stupid coalition government system seems to validate this fall into mere management.

How can a society-culture thrive and survive on that kind of ethos? It's basically being content to be the bitch of other nation's capital, extracting fees for management services. So, total dependency. If that is the case might as well stop calling the Dutch a culture at all.

I'm a firm believer that a nation-state must set its right and self-value firmly as priority, it must produce its own values, own its own capital, experience and enjoy its own strength. The Dutch are more than just a port city, they have a rich history and I'm sure plenty of potential; if that's not the case, then they're not really a nation-state at all.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:53 pm

Ive done a round on social media, and indeed the Dutch privileged Left, they come out today complaining how Wilders has actually won because we're now allowed to speak out for our own interests and against bizarre medieval clowns trying to pretend to be politicians in backward nations.



There is a very distinct difference in the Dutch mainstream between the Socialists and the Liberals. Liberal in Europe means in part the opposite of what it means in the US: it pertains to economic liberalism, but typically holds morally conservative values. A liberal is the antithesis of a Socialist. PvdA and VVD have been archnemeses, who nonetheless governed together in the 90's, when all the final mistakes were made.

Now, the PvdA is dead, or at least totally irrelevant, so the VVD can actually act on its values, which, in terms of islam, will mean this: publically calling out for tolerance, but practically encroaching on anti-western ideologies and making life difficult and painful for their adherents. The VVD are the same families that conquered the world surrounding the Indian Ocean, they know ideology does not exist in politics, and they know truth has no place on tv.



Right wing parties now hold about 100 seats, left wing ones about 50. On the whole, Christian-capitalist-nationalist values have surged, socialist values have receded.


Most importantly, Holland has shown Turkey who is the slave and who is the master, who is the savage beggar and who is the generous civilized man.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:09 pm

Good to know, I'm obviously not familiar with Dutch politics in any real way. I just see the broader and philosophical issues here. But the fact Rutte made an enemy of Wilders and his "populist" message pisses me off.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:33 pm

Ive seen a bit of the other side now. There is fake news coming from the right. Rutte campaigned not against populism, but against "the wrong kind of populism" - and that is precisely what Wilders has proven to represent. First of all, Im repeating this several times now, that he has governed, and broke his promises, upon which the cabinet fell. That is the reason Rutte doesnt like him- he crashed Ruttes cabinet which had given him trust.

We've given Wilders the chance. He fucked it up. Since then, he has not improved his politics, he has not introduced a single statement about economy, so it's just not a worthy man to vote for. That alone makes him "the wrong kind of populist" - i.e. not actually a man of the people, not loyal to his electorate.

Besides all this, he is so radically and uncompromisingly hostile about Islam and ignorant of it (see his inconceivably clumsy and offensive lie that Jesus, who is called the Greatest of all prophets in the Koran, does not exist in the Koran) that he could not possibly be effective as a force against it. He's only make all muslims far more radical.

So he lies about his agenda, about his plans, and about his enemy. He has nothing to do with philosophy, and there really wasnt ever any hope radiating from him. It has been tempting to compare him to Trump for people that havent been privy to his actions of the past 20 years or even beyond that when he was in the VVD, but Rutte has more in common with Trump than Wilders does, being both economist and optimist.

No intellectual votes for Wilders, simply because he simplifies too much. It's not aesthetic, or ethical, it's just populism of resentment.
His entire message is: islam is fascist, and the people that brought muslims in have destroyed the country. That is all he has ever said. Even if that would be unambiguously true, which it is not, then it would still not count for 10 percent of a proper program.

 

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law   Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:42 pm

Since has has literally never expressed ideas for practical ways to deal with Islam (his only agenda) we can assume that if he would get a majority by himself, he would be liable to transform Amsterdam into a kind of Aleppo. Because that is what you get when you attack muslim populations with the sole aim of de-islamizing them. They become, obviously and honorably, solidified in their beliefs, as some fucking rat with the police behind him attempts to rob you of your god. Yeah, not going to happen. People love to die fighting that kind of shit.

Wilders had this plan where he bought space on the side of buses and wanted to put up posters saying "stop islam".
Very nice sentiment maybe, but what doy uo think that would in reality accomplish?
Obviously, it would make sure no muslim would ever feel compelled to further assimilate, and in all of them a murderous rage would be awoken. It's an insane plan, it's purely driven my resentment.

Wilders is a national hero in the sense of resistance. He has resisted, and it is good he still has a strong position in the opposition. But he is just not made to take responsibility for a nation. His brain is not equipped for it, he has no notion of diplomacy, compromise - politics, essentially. He only knows ideology, he knows one from the other, and he prefers ideology A over ideology B. But fuck ideology, all of it.

Rutte is a Nationalist ruler, very purely so. In Holland that means you can be an absolute gangster.

When I said Holland is a hub, I refer to its history, which is a trade hub, which does not mean that it has no culture. It means only that our power, in tyhe worldly sense, is in trade, and in connecting powers and values to each other. It wasnt meant derisively, rather the opposite- France is "backward" enough to leave the EU, the Netherlands are too advanced. They can even come to actually benefit, if they manage to take a leadership role.

I'll repeat this again: Holland has already lost whatever it stood to lose from globalization. It reached its depths in 2002 already. It is far less eerie and cold there now than it was in 2008. Where Germany is moving toward an absolute internal crisis, Holland has been through that crisis, and with these elections, and especially by being the first world wide to show Erdogan for the peasant he is, it could be we will begin to grow our indigenous values again - right wing, thus conservative parties hold 2/3 of the parliament. None of these parties is interested in giving Islam more space. What's left of the left is really just a bunch of yuppies wanting to ban cars because they want to not look at traffic when they are walking around with their baby carriages.

Women who push their children in front of moving cars in the hope that they will stop, that's the constituency of the left.

 

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