'Mortal as I am, I know that I am born for a day. But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the earth.'
 
HomeCalendarFAQSearchMemberlistRegisterLog in

Share | 
 

 Economy and War

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Fixed Cross
Tower
Tower
avatar

Posts : 3708
Join date : 2011-11-09

PostSubject: Economy and War   Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:53 pm

I arrived at an insight during this recording. Which, for a change, is recorded with a clear mic.


 

___________
" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "
- Thucydides
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sisyphus
Archer
Archer


Posts : 1170
Join date : 2016-08-06
Location : Florida

PostSubject: Re: Economy and War   Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:49 pm

Well, I will agree that wars are the father of technological advances. But this does not help the economy in general for many years afterwards. The immediate effect of wars is to destroy economic systems. All balance and harmony are lost.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Thrasymachus
Tower
Tower
avatar

Posts : 2967
Join date : 2011-11-03
Location : Hell

PostSubject: Re: Economy and War   Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:37 pm

Very nice.

War as values-resolution, and some values resolve in physical combat while others resolve in the combat of ideas or emotions. "Marx turned economy into war -- class warfare is now economy" as you said, that's a great point. I want to combine this with your point about the necessity for wars to end in order for there to be any uplift or creation of values; Marx turned economy into a perpetual war, a war without an end. How could it ever end, when according to Marx we have these weird entities, 'classes', that are eternally in conflict? The definition of various classes is left ambiguous precisely because there is no way to define what one class or another is, where one class begins and another class ends. This is the same problem with abortion, incidentally, and why I think the pro-abortion people tend to be Marxists. This vagueness of thinking is necessary to will into being these false constructs of "class" or "right to kill a developing human being", and these false constructs are then used to prop up the machinery of something that pretends to be thinking but isn't thinking.

Marx, what a fucker, he did all this. What a piece of shit. But well also it may have been inevitable that this deep psychological error in human society and civilization was exposed and allowed to win for a while; it will win until it is defeated, maybe that is the point that we must defeat it. No truth until the error opposite that truth has been contested and slain.

That is the honor of war, the supremacy and courage-nobility. Fighting for something, which always means for one's own values, one's self-valuing, which also means therefore to fight for truth even if only at minimum for the truth of one's own self-valuing.

...


Another thought I had about your video, that war is as Parodites describes the result when the exportability of surplus capital across borders becomes impossible or breaks down. I still do not quite understand this point, I think I understand it about 75% or so... economics is war by other means, sure, and the reverse is true too as you said; any nation-state, any culture or people, needs to acquire, create and trade resources in order to flourish and survive, just like our cells and our bodies needs to consume nutrition and trade materials amongst others of their own types to do that. A whole economy sprouts up for this very purpose of trading necessities and making sure things get where they need to go. When this breaks down the health of the respective entities would suffer.

If nations stop trading economically, ideational, emotionally, then what happens? They stop communicating, they begin to devalue each other while paradoxically at the same time begin to covet each other's resources or even just the idea of what the other might have. Open trade at least means there is a medium by which exchanges are occurring, making the psychological realization that acquiring values from the other is possible; when this breaks down, then whatever the other side has becomes a monolithic Other, a kind of terror that feeds intensities of desire that become irrational and probably fantastical. So when surplus cannot be exported you have a stagnation of surplus where it is created, a lack of efficiency of economic production, which will lead to lower wages and less goods and services, less jobs, and less money in that society (remember that money is just another word for values, for a kind of symbolic tangible and tradable representation of values); then on top of that you add the growing psychological distress and irrational desire-lust fetishizing of the Other with whom you are losing human contact, and you get a growing pressure toward open conflict, war.

Molyneux mentioned that traditionally wars have been largely about taking over the tax system of another state, thus being able to fund yourself with the taxes of these others whom you have just conquered. I know this is part of how Isis has been getting so much of its money from territories it has conquered. This can be linked directly to socialism too: socialism does the things mentioned above, it turns economy into [perpetual] war, it creates more poverty, it breeds distrust and inhumanizing, it fetishizes the Other, and thus it creates a trend toward open violence to resolve the internal values-conflicts that are going on but cannot be resolve rationally or in thought or conversation, because socialism/Marxism has basically removed those as options.

If economy is perpetual war, then economy is the perpetual prevention of any values-resolutions. Individual values can be resolved and are resolved in the economy, but only certain kinds of values; monetary values, which product is superior in what contexts and for what reasons, what marketing campaign is superior, all that sort of thing. But real values, human thought and ideas, the struggle for truths, fundamental valuing is not something that is able to be resolved economically anymore. Capitalism has therefore been cut off at the source, and what we have nowadays is just the shadow of capitalism, something resembling capitalism in shape and form and movement but without any center, with no heart, with no real values-competition. This is most obvious now with all the censorship efforts going on in Youtube and elsewhere, or like that video I just posted about how Facebook and all the other social media are working in tandem with nations like Pakistan to target 'thought criminals' (free thinkers) for those corrupt theocratic states. What a fucking joke, those companies and their products and services do not therefore represent anything like true capitalism or a true economy of values... at best they are a severe value-limiting and pruning, keeping valuing at the surface where it can be controlled and pushed into channels that do not really change anything.

 

___________
"We must, now armed with such a language, realize the “transcendental unity of ideas,” through a new morality that aims, not to hypostasize experience and grasp in positive knowledge a series of particular virtues and vices, but rather to fully explicate this continuity; where philosophy exists to represent this transcendental order, morality most exist to mediate the two spheres, the spheres of experience and ideality." --Parodites

"Between this sky and the faces turned toward it there is nothing on which to hang a mythology, a literature, an ethic, or a religion—only stones, flesh, stars, and those truths the hand can touch." --Camus
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sisyphus
Archer
Archer


Posts : 1170
Join date : 2016-08-06
Location : Florida

PostSubject: Re: Economy and War   Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:39 am

Thrasymachus wrote:


Marx, what a fucker, he did all this. What a piece of shit.

It's nice to know that we are in agreement regarding this.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Economy and War   

Back to top Go down
 
Economy and War
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Before The Light :: Tree :: The World-
Jump to: