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PostSubject: Anarchy, for Sisyphus    Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:59 pm

I think you'll like this podcast: http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/1998/beautiful-freedom

 

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PostSubject: Re: Anarchy, for Sisyphus    Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:09 am

Thanks. Good talk.

And I agree, it doesn't matter because in an open market economy what is needed or wanted will always be provided by those who can provide at an agreed-upon cost.

Of course, freedom from government and religion depend on everyone doing the right thing. The "right thing" is difficult to define in a manner agreeable to all concerned.





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PostSubject: Re: Anarchy, for Sisyphus    Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:23 pm

I'm not entirely on board yet with anarchism. I think a principle of organization is very important and always present, so that eventually governments are always going to form. Even if you made a Constitutional law that said "there will be no government" you need some kind of government-like structure to enforce that.

Courts are a good example of where government-like structure is needed and very important. Standardization and universalization of principles of law and justice, crime and punishment, are essential. How would this look in a place with no government? Well, according to Molyneux we just shouldn't worry about it, but I think that response is naive.

Sure, maybe we don't need to worry too much about how roads will get built and maintained, but we do need to worry about how laws will get written, agreed upon and enforced; how rational principles of justice and freedom will be maintained. I believe in limited, rational government confined by a Constitution, where the role of the Constitution is to enumerate basic universal human rights and freedoms and then beyond that the Constitution simply exists to place limits upon what government can do, reserving all other rights to the people directly.

So minimal, rational and Constitutionally-defined government isn't the same as anarchy, which is why I do not consider myself an anarchist. I think if the US founders had made a few small changes to the US Constitution, things would have turned out a lot better. The US Constitution was the first of its kind, it makes sense that it wouldn't be perfect on the first try. But it is still very good.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Anarchy, for Sisyphus    Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:20 pm

Well, although you may not be on board at least you know where the boat is docked.

I generally don't even get into deep discussions regarding Social Anarchy because I believe it will never work, pretty much based on what you mentioned.

Bottom line, man isn't all that nice an animal. Greed and apathy toward others causes us to do some pretty evil things. Things that are not even seen in the wild.

My Anarchy is individual based. Freedom within acceptable limits of the society we live in. Note I said "acceptable limits". Important to me also is the concept of "fairness". That means that everyone within a society has the same freedoms and protections; and are equally considered in the courts of law.

Perhaps Social Anarchy could work for small, isolated communities. Chapter 80 of the "Tao Te Ching" speaks to this. Also in the Tao Te Ching it is said that the more laws a society has the more criminals that society will have. In this case "more is not better".

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