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PostSubject: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:35 am

It'll be very risky for Trump to ditch Steve Bannon. I doubt he's capable by himself of recognizing the character of the powers around him. Bannon is a specialist in recognizing the characters of powers.

It's more than evident that Trump will lose all of his "grassroot" support if he too overtly bends to Kushner and the forces behind him. We dont have to doubt that his son in law has been important behind the scenes all along, seeing as he holds such sway now. Even seeing as he married Ivanka, it's clear he is well connected.

Problem for Trump here is he has no allies in the left. If he makes enemies out of the right, Im not sure he'll be able to last very long. These are hectic times and people are on edge. He should try to keep a fraction of his base intact. It would be wise.

Bannon was the one whose mind grasps the realities that affect individuals. In Bannons face now we can see the deeply human disappointment and sorrow over seeing the fight slip from his and America's hands.

Trump is a trickster, a Gemini by Sun, able to walk different paths at once, and quick to change direction. Bannon, a Sagittarius by Sun, is a man of the long term and of principle. May this serve as metaphor:
Without Bannon, Trumps presidency has no direction, is fundamentally susceptible. And thats dangerous in all sorts of way.

Trump would do well to understand Steve Bannon as an anchor, even if he has given up on him for now as a compass. If he cuts the chord with Bannon, he's adrift, and will very likely not end his term in a safe harbor.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:11 am

Not sure if my analysis was correct. Trump is showing incredible quality in his international maneuvering.
Plus Im growing disenchanted with the alt right over their isolationalism, for which it is a bit late, around 14 years in the most carefree assessment.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:08 am

It isn't isolationism, it is simply a resistance to what is obviously neocon manipulations, lies, and further attempts to assert US imperial hegemony for basically no reason other than the neocon goals that we already know about... 1) secure oil, 2) secure water, 3) secure gold holdings, 4) establish BIS central banks (remove national central banks such as was done in Libya), 5) remove leaders who do not conform to globalist hegemonic control, 6) curtail and limit, and provoke, Russia, 7) increase spending on the military industrial complex, 8 ) destabilize nation-states thereby delegitimizing nationalism and increasing internationalist dependency across the world, 9) increase human misery and death, leading to increase in "terrorists" and refugees, 10) use war to distract from other real problems and issues.

Hm, wonder if I missed anything. EDIT: I forgot the world arms trade and narcotics trade, from which the globalists make insane amounts of money and further push their insane goals.

You need to remember, war is a racket, war is business. We elected Trump to stop this sort of thing, but now we are being told we should just accept more of the same... fuck no.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:39 am

Let's recap:

- Most of the tomahawk missiles missed. Where did they land? Probably on top of civilians. Does Trump care? Doesn't seem like it.  

- There is very, very little believable motivation from Assad or Russia to provoke any kind of response from the US in Syria (which can basically be summed up by what that retard Bill said in that Molyneux debate I posted, that "Assad was told invasion was off the table, so he basically just said "yippee, I can do what I want... gas attack!", which is a fucking idiotic and totally simple-minded thing to believe about someone's motivations), so why would either one of them use chemical weapons? On the contrary, there is very, very believable motivation for a chemical attack to be staged either by the US or by rebel groups or ISIS in order to inspire US involvement.

- Trump went on stage and talked about the horrific chemical attack, trying to pull on our emotions with his whole "dead babies" thing rather than talking about getting to the facts of the matter or how we can provably know what actually occurred. Manipulations like this are very suspicious.

- We already know there has been a plan in the works for decades to invade Syria, just as there were plans to invade Iraq, Libya and Iran. Most of those dominoes have already fallen, due to lies to cover the real motives for the invasions. Now we see Syria in the sights.

- McMasters is a CFR member and thus entirely not to be trusted, since we already know he is a globalist insider neocon.

- US involvement has been the cause for regional instability and civil war. The US has funded, trained and staffed these "rebel" groups. So let's think about this logically: if the US is the cause of these problems going on over there right now, how is further US involvement going to fix the problem? Specifically, ISIS and the globalists both want to overthrow Assad; so why now does Trump or at least some of his supporters also want to overthrow Assad, where is this coming from? It is a subtle narrative that is being developed, just as we saw with Iraq (Libya was less subtle).

- Russia is being manipulated into a position where it will be required to defend itself against these incursions into its allies' territories or basically lose face and credibility entirely. This was supposed to happen in Ukraine, but Putin is far saner than this and simply did his whole Crimea thing, and basically gave up Ukraine. But the US knows Putin is trying to avoid open conflict that would lead to world war III, and therefore are using this against him to push and provoke over and over until eventually something gets through and open conflict begins. Remember too that these 'globalists' military industrial complex neocons and neolibs want world war III.


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Now, what are the views from the opposite side, namely that this missile strike isn't any of those things above?

- Trump is asserting US "leadership" (Orwellian double-think term, incidentally, in how it is being used now)

- Trump is sending a message that chemical attacks will not be tolerated (then why do we tolerate them when the rebels do it?)

- Trump is playing "4D chess" (an idiotic thing to say, since it would actually be 3D chess... 4D chess would mean you are moving back and forth in time. Obviously the people who use these sort of statements don't think about what they really are saying), and has some super awesome amazing strategic grandmaster plan whereby everything is orchestrated perfectly to suit is wonderful benevolent and wise ends.... yeah, I don't buy it.

- The US has the right and responsibility to police the world, and therefore should invade Syria because "Assad is bad" and because "we made this mess, so we need to clean it up". This idea presupposes that we can actually make a positive impact over in Syria and the region generally, which has obviously historically not been the case, but rather the exact opposite has been the case. So why would we keep doing the same thing that has been not working, from the perspective of bringing peace and stability and an end to war in the region? Seriously, what would a ground invasion accomplish? Dead civilians and soldiers in Syria, dead US soldiers too, more destabilization, more humanitarian crisis, more increase in terrorism and radical ideologies among Muslims living there, more trillions of dollars in debt, and probably severe tensions with Russia and/or Iran that could easily, very easily result in open conflict between the US and either Russian and/or Iranian forces.



So I think the upsides and downsides here are quite clear.

On another note, I am never going to come down on the side of globalist warmongering neocons/neolibs, and I am intelligent enough to see through these sort of actions and plans for military involvement, and see through the stupid propaganda about "chemical attack kills kids". Give me a fucking break, I wasn't born yesterday. How is any of this not by now crystal clear what is really going on? Just research what happened in Iraq and Libya, the real reasons for why the US et al went in there. This isn't hard to figure out.

We have Shillery laughing on TV about Gadaffi's murder, well we know the real reasons why the US, UK and France went in there. Shillery knows these reasons too, so for her to sit there and laugh about it, knowing full well what actually happened, is fucking sadistic shit. And I don't care to support any of that same paradigm and group of cabal neocon/neolib "elites" who control Shillery and controlled Bush before her. Fuck that. I am not going to sit here and spin webs of justification and wishful thinking to try and make Trump into some kind of special saint with perfect strategy and moral vision, when he is basically doing exactly what they people before him did.

Have drone strikes stopped under Trump? No, they have increased.
Has military spending declined under Trump? No, it is increasing to historic proportions.
Has Trump indicated he will not make the US the world police force? No, he is indicating that the US is indeed the world police force.
Has Trump drained the swamp? No, he staffed up his team with the swamp.
Did Trump call for time and sane investigation into what happened in the chemical attack, without jumping to conclusions? No, he did the opposite.
Did Trump avoid petty emotional manipulation and sophistic cries for sympathy when he talked about the chemical attack, as a sane person would do? No, he used those sophist tactics to try and manipulate rather than elucidate.

And now I am supposed to just sit here and sing his praises, and not "abandon" him because the president of China fucking smiled at him? Fuck that. As of this moment I see no real difference between Trump and Bush/Obama. The difference was all on the campaign trail, just as it was for Obama.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:49 am

Basically, we have all been played.

And if this is true, and I think it is, then we can expect full invasion of Syria very soon, and probably the beginning of open military combat between US/NATO forces and Russian/Iranian forces. That military conflict will be downplayed at first as just a small regional skirmish sort of thing, but make no mistake, it will quickly spiral out of control and engulf the entire planet.

With this state visit with the Chinese president, Trump was probably trying to get China on the US/NATO side against Russia-Iran. China is the wild card in all of this, I can't confirm if they are firmly allied to either side, most likely they are playing the middle. Their total control of information, their huge size and their police state ensures that the western globalists will not be able to penetrate and control them so easily, so they have an advantage there. It would make sense for China to align with Russia, Syria and Iran in the coming world war, but again we will have to see. Trump is obviously making overtures to them already, probably offering them spoils of war when Russia falls.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:17 am

Actually if you think about it, the coming war isn't going to be so much like WWII was, with open conflict occurring around most of the planet. Because the enemy of the west is now itself, the festering wounds of globalism that are cutting into and infecting the US and Europe. The US and Europe are drowning in debt, and are trying to do anything to stave off the eventual day of reckoning. Also, there aren't nearly as many military powers lined up against the US/Allies as there were in WWII, basically now it is just Russia and Iran who really count. Sure, North Korea could pose a little problem, but they are so tiny that a few quick strikes would basically disable them back to the stone-age. And China is the wild card, if China allies with Russia and Iran (and maybe Pakistan?) then we will have a true WWII-type situation. If not, if China stays neutral or even supports the westerners, then the battle will mostly be the west against its own people and civilian populations, with a few line skirmishes out east against Russia.

Of course there is this idea that nuclear weapons make overt military land and air war impossible... I don't buy that. Nukes make these kinds of traditional war very unlikely, but certainly not impossible. There are tactical battlefield nukes and EMP nukes that would be used rather than the massive thermonukes, simply because using the huge ones is unrealistic because the area would then be unavailable to the victor also, at least for several years. But you would get a very quick escalation in that case: first you have tanks and soldiers and planes battling out along line fronts in eastern europe and the ME and north Asia, then you have one side uses a tactical nuke to clear away an enemy stronghold, something that limits radiation and can be used for more surgical strategic effect... so then the other side decides to use the same strategy, and soon you have battlefield nukes going off all along the line.

Of course there will at first be an unspoken agreement that the big nukes don't get used; why? Because, obviously, if we pull those out then everyone loses (ostensibly anyway; both the western globalists and the Russians have extensive underground cities and bunkers). So you will see this fast escalation from traditional war to tactical and EMP nukes to larger nukes to finally all bets are off and each side tries to get its strongest nukes into the home country of its enemy fastest, almost a mad scramble of airpower and air defense. The US will probably win that war with our B2s for example, but who knows what the Russians have. And whoever is about to lose is simply going to open up the stockpiles of ICBMs to try and wipe out the other side anyway... very bad news.

We really want to be avoiding going down this path at all.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:49 pm

Obviously this is all speculation, and also obviously I hope I'm wrong about all this. I hope Trump isn't just a Trojan horse, I hope he will restrain the neocon-neolibs from their endless march to war, I hope Trump will fulfill his promises and change the paradigm. I maintain my hope even in the face of my observations and suspicions to the contrary.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:23 pm

Just saw this - actually uploaded a video that addresses some of this. It's a response to a video by Styx where he has the gall to suggest that Assad will "liberate his own people". For someone who has seen what Assad is capable of in detail, that is literally sickening. I nearly threw up and then decided to cut the chord with the fucking Alt Right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqP4wI-SX4M

That guy he is is knowledgeable about the US, and yet such a dimwit when it concerns Germany, or Holland, or Syria, or basically I guess every other nation but his own. And that in turn means he doesn't actually understand fuck all about the US either.

When Trump conscripted Tillerson and Matthis, did Styx really expect him to be a conservative, isolationalist president??? Lol!!
Really.
Too much.

These people need to take a work study to Europe or the Middle East. Their ignorance is spectacular.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:28 pm

https://www.rt.com/news/384493-putin-meets-tillerson-moscow/

Everything is going according to plan.
Were' not going to war with Russia. Not on this course.

Only people wanting to live under Assad, and willing to take steps to actually fall under his regime, have the right to argue in favor of keeping Assad on. Thats the only real test of honesty and knowledge here.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:33 pm

Also alt right media have gotten their panties up in a bunch because what they call "a Russian leader" has called for attacks on the US. If they had any knowledge at all, they would have recognized the name Zhirinowski as belonging to the most radical fringe type maniac the Russian parliament can pride itself on, and that he has been raving and ranting about war domestic and abroad for three decades, and that everyone who matters in Russia ignores him.

How hard is it really for people like Alex Jones, Roger Stone or Styxhexenhammer666 to do some research on their topics? This is the weakness of America - filthy fucking ignorance.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:35 pm

The whole point, though, is that it isn't up to the US whether or not the people of Syria live under Assad or anyone else. That is up to the people of Syria, and they accepted more or less Assad, and they were in the midst of reasonable reforms and democratic process before the whole US-globalist-led shitstorm broke out.

I despise this moralism of "Assad did bad things so the neocons are justified to declare war on Syria", that is so utterly one-dimensional and non-philosophical it baffles me this seems to be your argument here. Assad was a western puppet regime from the beginning, of course he is an evil bitch, all of these puppets are... as are those who set them into power and keep them empowered. Don't you see there is a larger game here?

Yeah the west set up Assad, and the Syrian people basically agreed to that because they had no real choices. The whole scenario is fucked. How about this as an option: the US and European nations stop setting up puppet regimes and manipulating the national politics of other nations? I'd like to see you agree to that as a foundational principle here.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:56 pm

I don't consider the ceasing of resistance because of torture real agreement. Besides, most Syrians kept fighting against him despite the torture. Well and because of it - to avenge those that refused to agree. And to be able to imagine a future with an actual human as leader.

You break, you buy.
For the US to just walk out now would be insane, not only qua intellectual integrity, but also strategically. Obviously the whole drama would repeat itself indefinitely if the one who started it just leaves when the destruction is in its most totally explicated phase.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:01 pm

Yes, it is only up to the US, as the only one able to put pressure on Russia, if they live under Assad or someone else. Thats how proxy-dictatorships work. The people are annihilated and tortured into not being able to be decisive. Thats how all proxy states operate.

If it was up to the people there, then they would not be a proxy state.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:34 pm

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Yes, it is only up to the US, as the only one able to put pressure on Russia, if they live under Assad or someone else. Thats how proxy-dictatorships work. The people are annihilated and tortured into not being able to be decisive. Thats how all proxy states operate.

If it was up to the people there, then they would not be a proxy state.

Right, which is why I want the situation of their proxy state status to end. How is a ground invasion by the US, threatening world war with Russia no less, going to further the goal of returning Syria to Syrians?

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:41 pm

We invaded Iraq and Libya, how did that work out? How are these "nation building" exercises justified? Also the US doesn't care about these people or nations, they just want to further those neocon agenda items I mentioned, and am still hoping you will respond to.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:42 pm

Being opposed to the neocon globalist agenda doesn't mean being isolationist. I honestly have no idea how that conflation could be maintained.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:57 pm

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Yes, it is only up to the US, as the only one able to put pressure on Russia, if they live under Assad or someone else. Thats how proxy-dictatorships work. The people are annihilated and tortured into not being able to be decisive. Thats how all proxy states operate.

If it was up to the people there, then they would not be a proxy state.

Right, which is why I want the situation of their proxy state status to end. How is a ground invasion by the US, threatening world war with Russia no less, going to further the goal of returning Syria to Syrians?

It depends what kind of leadership they envision.
Behind closed doors they are now trying to get the Russians, Turks and Israelis in a room to decide the fate of Iran with the emphasis that it has to be removed as Syria's steward.

Where we disagree is you think one can annihilate a military political engagement at any given moment, I think one can't ever except by resolving it. Trump may want to keep out but he knows that that desire is precisely why we have isis, as it came into being as the US pulled its troops out of Iraq. So yes, we need an army again to stand there for a while, possibly. Its not a given, the threat of it may suffice, as it does with China, but to keep the option open is realistic and noble, clean, deliberate, powerful, honest.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:59 pm

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Being opposed to the neocon globalist agenda doesn't mean being isolationist. I honestly have no idea how that conflation could be maintained.

I never called you an isolationalist. I called people that who are, in my opinion, deserving of that name.

Youre effectively calling Trump a neocon here, I dont see him as one at all. He simply shares a part of one of their particular aims, and that is am aim I share along with he majority of Syrians. All the armed Syrian sunni resistance joined isis or some of these other rebel groups. That is how they fight.

You cant eliminate them and then expect the Syrians to naturally resolve anything. You cant kill all their fighters and then leave them with a dictator, and then be surprised if an even worse form erupts. Maybe the US would be able to stay out of it physically but Europe may eventually entirely disintegrate.

If Trump is merely spreading chaos, then I will take the consequences, but so far has is doing exceedingly well in results. What he has done in China, no one has accomplished since the English created Hong Kong. Trump is probably mostly an international president, where he just arranges the world so that America finally comes out on the actual top of it, so that it can then sanely take care of itself.

You have to be rich to live like Americans like to live and Trump is going to make that happen, and I bet without causing a terrible war. Because everyone knows he won't hesitate to start one. Nations will hesitate now to claim more than they can defend.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:18 pm

James Mattis is probably the most brilliant value driven military operative of this time. He is the antithesis of Assad. In the sense of how a lion is the antithesis to a pestilent rat.

Any thing Matthis does in Syria is better than anything Assad does.
Putin has immense respect for Mattis. You can see it by how they only criticized it by claiming many tomahawks didnt hit their targets.

All this is a showdown of military capacity, and that was about time. Now that it's all still new, everyone can think sharply, has little time to scheme, and is most likely to do whats best for his long term prospects - stay on the side of peace with respect the the US with some juicy benefits of Trumps noble offering.
If it isnt done now, WWIII will erupt in 2018.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:45 pm

We will see if Trump further escalates or not. I've already laid out my reasons for suspecting that he is compromised. So far I've seen no refutation of those points, so I'll accept them as true for the time being.

Do you really think Trump or anyone else in the US cares about how bad Assad is? They fucking don't give a shit. Why did we go into Iraq, was it because Saddam was a bad dude? No, Saddam tried to switch to the petroeuro, so fuck him he had to go. Gaddafi? Was it because he was a bad dude? Nope, he tried to create his own pan-African gold standard currency, so fuck him he had to go.

Do you seriously think the President of the US is motivated by some foreign dickhead being a bad dude? Are you aware there have been plans to invade Syria for decades? You seem to be thinking very short-term here, as if Trump is acting in a vacuum or something... he isn't. Maybe Mattis is prettt cool, I don't know, but I know that Trump has done far from drain the swamp, he has staffed up on it. So what the fuck does that tell me? You think I can sit here and accept Trump as some benevolent super-genius strategist living in a vacuum? I don't think that is at all realistic.

Tell me why the US would REALLY want to invade Syria...? Why have these plans been in the works for decades?

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:54 pm

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We will see if Trump further escalates or not. I've already laid out my reasons for suspecting that he is compromised. So far I've seen no refutation of those points, so I'll accept them as true for the time being.

Do you really think Trump or anyone else in the US cares about how bad Assad is? They fucking don't give a shit. Why did we go into Iraq, was it because Saddam was a bad dude? No, Saddam tried to switch to the petroeuro, so fuck him he had to go. Gaddafi? Was it because he was a bad dude? Nope, he tried to create his own pan-African gold standard currency, so fuck him he had to go.

Do you seriously think the President of the US is motivated by some foreign dickhead being a bad dude? Are you aware there have been plans to invade Syria for decades? You seem to be thinking very short-term here, as if Trump is acting in a vacuum or something... he isn't. Maybe Mattis is prettt cool, I don't know, but I know that Trump has done far from drain the swamp, he has staffed up on it. So what the fuck does that tell me? You think I can sit here and accept Trump as some benevolent super-genius strategist living in a vacuum? I don't think that is at all realistic.

Tell me why the US would REALLY want to invade Syria...? Why have these plans been in the works for decades?

https://www.infowars.com/libya-and-syria-the-neocon-plan-to-attack-seven-countries-in-five-years/


    "I said, “Are we still going to invade Iraq?” “Yes, Sir,” he said, “but it’s worse than that.” I said, “How do you mean?” He held up this piece of paper. He said, “I just got this memo today or yesterday from the office of the Secretary of Defense upstairs. It’s a… five-year plan. We’re going to take down seven countries in five years. We’re going to start with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, then Libya, Somalia, Sudan, we’re going to come back and get Iran in five years. I said, “Is that classified, that paper?” He said, “Yes Sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me, because I want to be able to talk about it.”

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:57 pm

Decades? Millennia. The question is whether or not a solution that the Syrians can live with will be reached.
Yes, I am aware of the idea that this is all one big scheme, but this is a futile thought, as world politics has never seen a single period without scheming. I am truly a Nietzschean, it seems you really do not accept that the world is will to power. Selfvaluing is willing to power.

I am constantly saying simply that withdrawing isn't technically possible without collapsing. You take a moral approach to this, as if it is objectively wrong to be involved in the ME. I see no morals at all at play in this. I see acts and consequences, and I have desires and morals. But I dont project the into politics. I simply observe how close we are to getting there, and weigh in where i can.

I wrote the above after your last (or perhaps second or more to last) post and the following before it.

Here's a metaphor, the clearest way I can put my thoughts in words:

Syria and Iraq are a patient under narcosis open for surgery, only the surgeon has left the room and thrown in invested meats.

So you can see how I do not see how leaving the patient to his devices is an option.

Russia may profit from the situation by keeping Assad (if it's not US intervention it's Russian, if it's not Russian it's Saudi and Israeli, French and English) but the patient isnt getting healed.

If this still does not count for an ethical reason to consider this differently from purely a neocon scheme, i.e. to not think this through as such but to place it merely in a category, as if A really does equal A even where it concerns moments in time, then I can not reconcile my standards with that. I am truly only interested in what's real here and now, and I have brought philosophy down to that with a principle of actuality.

The Quest as it has been for ages is to find a way for the Middle East to actually exist. It may take an American to do that.
I'm serious, perfectly serious that self-valuing for this troubled region is not possible without the actual chosen people: the self-chosen people.

Israel will be a great card in this game, but since Trump is proactive, it will not dominate with its extreme yang overload so as to render the whole thing unearthly and brittle, futile. The Israelis have to learn from this, as well. They have something hanging over their heads, I can't see what. Maybe they just need to realize that the masculine virtue of their tree of life isn't severity, but the opposite. And that the two pillars are always active both at once, so as to evoke the pillar of consciousness, and with that the throne king and the Kingdom.

The aims of Israel are entirely logistic. All their strategies can be derived from that. It is all pragmatism of thousands of years aimed at a single goal, and that is a safe haven with a heart. They mean no race especially ill, they are just vengeful to the extreme to the service of this one aim, and since the will has prevailed for thousands of years, and produced where fruits fell off the religious tree such offspring as the subconscious and the atomic secrets, we can count on it not dying down snow so close to its resolution.

Ive noticed this narrative is being ignored in your writing and I doubt not this is a sign of wisdom. I will also leave it at this, as the people that need to know this already know this, and Trump noticed how inevitable and scourge like this will is during his inauguration. There was a kek moment for Jews there. Trump wtf'd for a few seconds there. It's not that Jews mean to be impolite, it's simply that theyve been bred to not care abut anything but their species singular goal which is their selfvaluing.

But do they rule him? No way. No actual way is Trump ever ruled. He is the trickster, the magician, and he has pieces in place everyone wonders of where the fuck they are.
You have to think he's planned running for at least 30 years as noted on record. At the same time as gathering wealth and property in new York and in the world it financially commands, he will surely have prepared his leverages.

His claim that it was an emotional decision for him to launch the missiles sends an excellent message. And who knows. I won't be the one to question his reputation.
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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:03 pm

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We will see if Trump further escalates or not. I've already laid out my reasons for suspecting that he is compromised. So far I've seen no refutation of those points, so I'll accept them as true for the time being.

Do you really think Trump or anyone else in the US cares about how bad Assad is? They fucking don't give a shit. Why did we go into Iraq, was it because Saddam was a bad dude? No, Saddam tried to switch to the petroeuro, so fuck him he had to go. Gaddafi? Was it because he was a bad dude? Nope, he tried to create his own pan-African gold standard currency, so fuck him he had to go.

Do you seriously think the President of the US is motivated by some foreign dickhead being a bad dude? Are you aware there have been plans to invade Syria for decades? You seem to be thinking very short-term here, as if Trump is acting in a vacuum or something... he isn't. Maybe Mattis is prettt cool, I don't know, but I know that Trump has done far from drain the swamp, he has staffed up on it. So what the fuck does that tell me? You think I can sit here and accept Trump as some benevolent super-genius strategist living in a vacuum? I don't think that is at all realistic.

Tell me why the US would REALLY want to invade Syria...? Why have these plans been in the works for decades?

https://www.infowars.com/libya-and-syria-the-neocon-plan-to-attack-seven-countries-in-five-years/



    "I said, “Are we still going to invade Iraq?” “Yes, Sir,” he said, “but it’s worse than that.” I said, “How do you mean?” He held up this piece of paper. He said, “I just got this memo today or yesterday from the office of the Secretary of Defense upstairs. It’s a… five-year plan. We’re going to take down seven countries in five years. We’re going to start with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, then Libya, Somalia, Sudan, we’re going to come back and get Iran in five years. I said, “Is that classified, that paper?” He said, “Yes Sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me, because I want to be able to talk about it.”


Im aware of concepts like black goo, let alone of such things. Ive been aware of this view this since I heard it in 2002 in Beirut. I probably know all conspiracy stuff out there and then some, probably 80 percent of what I know isnt even fathomed by Alex Jones or David Icke. I make orgonite for christsakes.

You need to see my posts on Israel in an occult light. Everything I write is occult. VO is totally occult, a logic of livingcoherence is even announced in the Theosophical writings as something that would be developed. This shit can't be stopped. It's what Hegel had a faint whiff of but botched entirely and caused Marx, who caused the unleashing of demonic paradigm. Of course the conspiracy goes that Marx was a Luciferian Mason and so was Lenin, etc. I know the theory, I dont know the facts.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:11 pm

It's not at all driven by merely human interests at this point in time. It's been arranged step by step by unwitting humans who did their best for this or that purpose to enhance themselves within the paradigm of the Hebrew magic tempered by the Hellenes and ennobled by the Romans. It's all a story. We all live out this story, it's not Hebrew in origin but Egyptian before that, and it goes ever into strangeness, and I adore that strangeness, and out of that love came my mind that floats like a boat on the river of strangeness. And from this perspective everything always makes sense, except what people expect.

The Jews will go for their temple by all means. The Americans will not yield the ME to Russia or the next bidder. The Syrians will not accept a leader who likes butchering, they will butcher back. The dollar will not fall. But what will happen? That is uncertain. And that is why we have Trump. The human uncertainty principle that has to be addressed as possibility, or all understanding of it will collapse and be left behind the thing in motion, the actual. Which always hovers above the chaos, void, dark bitter sea where the unfortunate dwell in blindness, i.e. structural absence of power... hell. Literally.

 

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PostSubject: Re: If Trump ditches Bannon, he's lost.   Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:17 pm

I don't judge any of these agents as good. I see them as consistencies, tendencies, structural historical integrities (things that structurally and powerfully deem themselves good) - things that are going to keep happening unless the entire fabric of humanity collapses.

People as a species tend to give up on their aims. But where they don't and are followed in that refusal by culture and progeny,  something historically stronger than an individual starts to arise. Historical Necessity in fact - but not of an outcome, but of a struggle for a particular outcome. Not a struggle of class over class, but of narrative over death, and chaos.

 

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