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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Thu May 04, 2017 6:57 am

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I disagree that this entirely changes Paris.
Look at its history. It's the most insanely mob-violent city at the least of the West, if not of the whole world.
This is pretty fitting. Im perfectly honest when I say Id enjoy my espresso on the corner with the chaos as a spectacle. The value-war starts in Paris.
This is one of those situations where it has to get worse before it gets better. Paris has suffered several of such situation, and somewhat gladly, it seems. Everything for a bit of romance... sigh.

I suppose I could agree with you in a face-to-face conversation. The roots of Paris culture have not yet been destroyed so there remains the possibility for the French people to realize how far out of alignment they have gone (specifically their politicians) and a lot of work has to be done in order to regain the balance Paris once had.

I'm sure Camus would be sadden at the state of Paris today.

Maybe France needs bring back the Knights Templar?

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Thu May 04, 2017 8:18 am

Now youre talking. Haha.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Thu May 04, 2017 9:42 am

This is hilarious. Financial Times reports:

"Éric Ciotti, a centre-right MP, said that after the debate the “only clarity we have is that [President François] Hollande will have a successor even more mediocre than himself!”"

FT wrote:
Emmanuel Macron was the clear winner in a televised debate against his far-right rival for the French presidency, Marine Le Pen, on Wednesday evening in a broadcast that was richer in insults than policy discussions, according to a snap poll.

Just days ahead of Sunday’s election, commentators said Mr Macron was able to keep his calm in a face of a barrage of attacks and mocking smirks from Ms Le Pen in the crucial final clash between the candidates that was watched by 16.5m people.

Well behind in the polls, and with little to lose, Ms Le Pen went straight for the jugular, calling Mr Macron an elitist supporter of “savage globalisation” with a “soft spot” for radical Islam who planned to shut down factories and hospitals.

But a snap survey of 1,314 likely voters by polling firm Elabe showed that 63 per cent of respondents rated Mr Macron as the winner, with 34 per cent picking Ms Le Pen, as commentators said he looked more presidential.

“Arguments vs insults; policy vs hate; stature vs disorder, solutions vs destruction,” Ségolène Royal, environment minister and former Socialist presidential candidate, said on Thursday morning. “I am voting Macron”
Marine Le Pen presented an angry voice against the establishment, globalisation and immigrants © AFP

Mr Macron also managed to defy fears that the elite-educated former economy minister would get lost in long technical explanations, giving as good as he got, calling his rival the “high priestess of fearmongering” and a “parasite” on the French electoral system.

Liberation, the leftwing daily newspaper, said Mr Macron managed to “play the card of reason” to combat the “multiple attacks” of Ms Le Pen. It said he had a “professional tone” but was also able to the call “nonsense” on some of his opponents claims.

One of his toughest moments was when Ms Le Pen, who wants France to leave the euro, said she wanted a new European Currency Unit to coexist with the franc. Mr Macron said: “Companies will pay in ECU? Seriously? . . . Stop saying stupid things.”

Much of the French press on Thursday was also focused on the numerous factual mistakes made by Ms Le Pen during the debate, for example when she mixed up SFR, a mobile phone operator, and Alstom, the equipment maker bought by General Electric.
Macron v Le Pen: policy comparisons

Thierry Solère, a centre-right Republican MP, said: “Good work from Marine Le Pen who, through her lack of dignity, will have left people wanting to vote Macron.”

But others said the debate, a gruelling two-and-a-half hours of blows and counterblows that was light on policy issues, failed to address the fundamental questions afflicting France and was unlikely to have convinced viewers either way.

Le Monde, the centre-left daily, likened it to a “brutal”, “disorderly” and “no holds barred” boxing match, where no one was able to knock out their opponent and the only real consequence was the “bitter taste in the throat of viewers”.

Éric Ciotti, a centre-right MP, said that after the debate the “only clarity we have is that [President François] Hollande will have a successor even more mediocre than himself!”

Many on social media said the debate only confirmed their reluctance not to vote in Sunday’s election. “It’s clear why people are sick of this whole circus,” tweeted Marion DuPond, using the popular hashtag #SansMoiLe7Mai (Without me on May 7).

Elsewhere online, some supporters of Ms Le Pen claimed victory. “Marine Le Pen destroys her opponent Macron during the debate,” tweeted the account Voice of Europe.

Florian Philippot, National Front vice-president, told CNews television on Thursday that Ms Le Pen “dominated the debate because she let him [Macron] show himself for who he really is” and how “totally different” their two programmes are.

Most commentators agreed that the debate most of all showed how far apart the two candidates — and France — were in their vision of the world.

Ms Le Pen presented an angry voice against the establishment, globalisation and immigrants. Mr Macron made a plea for further European integration, free trade and moderate reforms to the tax and labour code.

“It was a dialogue of the deaf, because the two candidates did not address the same audiences,” wrote Le Télégramme, a regional newspaper in Brittany. “In the end, it was very similar to the campaign: incoherent and anarchic.”

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Thu May 04, 2017 9:55 am

Whoa, what the fuck? Is Macron taking his meds at all?

Breitbart wrote:
In a moment resembling Hillary Clinton’s infamous “deplorables” comment, Mr. Macron — who currently leads Front National leader Marine Le Pen in the polls — took to the stage at a 10,000-strong rally in Paris to dub Front National the “anti-France party”, branding their supporters “fearmongerers” and “extreme”.

“They’re here. It’s they. It’s they who are our true enemies,” declared Mr. Macron.

“Powerful, organized, skillful, determined,” he said: “You pass them in the streets, in the countryside or on the web, most often well hidden. As hateful as they are cowardly. You know them. The party of the agents of the disaster, the fearmongerers. The French far-right. It’s here”.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Thu May 04, 2017 11:15 am

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Whoa, what the fuck? Is Macron taking his meds at all?

Breitbart wrote:
In a moment resembling Hillary Clinton’s infamous “deplorables” comment, Mr. Macron — who currently leads Front National leader Marine Le Pen in the polls — took to the stage at a 10,000-strong rally in Paris to dub Front National the “anti-France party”, branding their supporters “fearmongerers” and “extreme”.

“They’re here. It’s they. It’s they who are our true enemies,” declared Mr. Macron.

“Powerful, organized, skillful, determined,” he said: “You pass them in the streets, in the countryside or on the web, most often well hidden. As hateful as they are cowardly. You know them. The party of the agents of the disaster, the fearmongerers. The French far-right. It’s here”.

I think he's a stooge for the power elite, the neoliberal globalist class. Just like Shillery. Just another shill.

You don't attack the very people in your country who care about protecting your country and its culture and values... also Trump did the same thing when he attacked the Freedom Caucus and sided with Ryan. I'm still very suspicious because of that.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 3:14 pm

So he wins.
Im not mournful. Ive watched the debate between him and Le Pen yesterday, and I must say I can't stand Le Pens superiority. It actually reminds a bit of Clontoink, when she smirks contemptuously at a point she's not able to verbally counter with sufficient emotional satisfaction.

Macron has going for him that he remains extremely calm and to himself. I also somehow find it quite interesting that he has a wife of 20 years older, whom he met when he was a schoolboy. This again does speak to his Frenchness.

The main reason Le Pen never really stood a chance (she lost by a huge margin) is her aggressive superiority which comes not in the form of value statements but of attacks like "Pah - you think the machine will listen to you?" or "it is clear you are just a puppet". Comprehensible as thoughts, ineffective as communication. There is no value to these statements, no power in them.

I do maintain, based on a few separate observations, that Macron is better than Hollande and Sarkozy -even by the mere fact that he has the power to compel with speech - he has ideas. Ideas exist in his mind. Not so with the last 2 presidents.

Fact is that Le Pen and her movement, which are so feebly rooted in the truly banal figure of her father, are absolutely no match for their adversaries. We need much stronger figureheads and value-explications to consolidate Europe to its past virtues. It's not yet time. We're moving into a very interesting phase now. Possibilities will be revealed the coming years.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 3:19 pm

R.I.P. France

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 3:27 pm

Haha, she's a tough old lady. She's been through deeper hells than this one.

Consider that this is the founding doctrine of its secular form:

   "The peaceful enjoyment of liberty and equality; the reign of that eternal justice whose laws are written, not on marble or stone, but in the hearts of all men, even in that of the slave who forgets them and of the tyrant who denies them (…)

   If the basis of popular government in peacetime is virtue, the basis of popular government during a revolution is both virtue and terror; virtue, without which terror is baneful; terror, without which virtue is powerless. Terror is nothing more than speedy, severe and inflexible justice; it is thus an emanation of virtue; it is less a principle in itself, than a consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing needs of the patrie." - Robespierre


 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 3:48 pm

It'll be worth the wait.


 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 3:52 pm

Now we can focus on winning Europe back ourselves.



I cant use Le Pen or Wilders for that.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 4:06 pm

I mean merely to illustrate the real value war, which isnt between racist boor-clans and bankers, but about the spirit of Europe versus the spirit of Asia.

Nimes is FN central. What they really crave is something more Napoleonic. Le Pen lacks in every sense the greatness that is France. That greatness is going to violently make its claim at one point. But it will not do so in isolation of the rest of Europe - nor will it be primarily of an administrative character.




Future European greatness will not include any people that refer to "sandniggers" as I see on ILP - as long as racism mixes with nationalism the way it does in Europe now, fortune will favor the "sand niggers" - as racists are generally not willing to fight for their values, as these values are entirely negative.

The Alexandrine-Caesaric spirit that can claim Europe commands loyalty from all races.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 4:25 pm

Being anti-mass immigration doesn't make one a racist. Using KT creatures as examples of pro-nationalism isn't accurate. Most pro-nationalist people just want to stop the dissolution of their country and culture.

Macron is an EU puppet, so why would he care? Brussels would be quite happy to see French and German and every other European culture dissolve.

Le Pen isn't racist, I've never seen one thing indicating that she was. But she was falsely branded as a racist by EU politically correct fascism. At least she spoke out against the dangers of importing masses of Muslims from the third world... capitulate "moderate" fucks like Macron can't do because it would be "unpopular" and "mean".

Right now with the world on the brink of instantiating banker-globalism and collapsing the nation-state entirely, I will prefer the candidate who isn't bought and paid for by those same bankers in Brussels, London and Switzerland. I don't care if she isn't perfect, at least she isn't in the pocket of the people who are turning Europe into a non-entity.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 4:49 pm

"Theresa May congratulates Macron on victory as EU breathes sigh of relief"

Yeah, I'd rather not be celebrating with the swamp creatures. But maybe that's just me.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 4:59 pm

Fair enough [Im absolutely not celebrating at all either], we'll have to see what happens - best case scenario France engages England in a provocative but creative way, and gets something going separately of Germany, to basically take power from Germany and get more control of itself. I do not see Macron quite as bleakly as you do, at least not in comparison to Hollande. I think he is far, far more noble than Hollande as an individual. Hollande really was a depth, an absolute lethargy, the opposite of valu, a gaping hole that isnt even black, or really gaping - just a messy dank nothingness where splendor is supposed to reside. I physically cant stand it. Macron has a human spirit in him, he's no zombie. Trump is hypercorporate as well, as long as Macron is not overtly socialistic in his morals, his policies can be justified in terms of precedent - France is Socialist. It is the only first world Socialist country. It has been for a very long time, and I think it works ("works") because of the added element of Frenchness, which allows for true culture, an aristocracy of the soul, an awareness of values as disciplines, of refinement as discipline, that can take over a lot of second world powers due to its superioristic, Socialistic governance, its exalted graces and its loose moral values. Its a mess. France is messy. In the dark ages it harbored the majority of Europeans, which caused the black plague, it had the absurdly grandiose royal houses, the Revolution, Napoleon - it's totally out there, truly. I'm not nearly at the point where I think France is in actual peril. And I think the tradition of violent revolt and nationwide, crippling strikes and roadblocks against which no one ever even thinks of standing up, as there is the risk of defections in the army as well, simply prevents a slick corporatocratic nanogovernment like Merkie Merkl so successfully installed among the worker-bee like Germans.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 5:07 pm

If Le Pen had won I'd have been in a more celebratory mood - after all my good friends are behind her, and it would certainly be a great statement.

All Im saying is I dont feel this is the end of all things for France -
not like if Shillera would have won America.

France is not the apex of power that by a mere glance this or that way moves around all the powers in the world and is thereby always in peril due to its capacity that has no match - France is more embedded in all sorts of conditions, both inside and outside - it is forced to be irrational, because that ultimately leads to a strike that is singular, not reasoned, only willed. The US, as ruler, can not afford to rely on such luxurious madness.

Passion will turn France around - it'll be a great feast when it does -
the greatest feasts in centuries are at risk of breaking out in the next decades.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

All Im saying is that there is a certain chemistry thats come into play, with the reversal of roles.

Only a year ago France was the slow drab dummy state of perpetual strikes and rain and terror, and England was the slick rich banking governator of the EU's important affairs with the world. Now, England is gone, and France has a slick banker, Rothschild no less, the very same family that once took the London stock exchange with faker news on Waterloo at the helm. Its not 'good' - its different.

A deeply significant transvaluation, for better and worse as that goes with transvaluations - lot can happen  now- and a lot will happen.
That is all I am after.... as I dont care for any politics at heart if it isnt my own - and for now my own politics command only the most diligent and gleeful patience.

I see a ball that has come to roll down a mountain. One of several weary World-Sisyphi has given up, right after two others have begun their ascent.

France likes things to get really gory before it decides the time for decisions has come. They understand that flowers grow on shit better than anyone, except maybe the Chinese...and the Jews. Thats how you cultivate on a grand scale. Breed revenge like psychedelic fungi. It will not be swift, it will be an eternity.

What is the world for, if not for fighting for values? By fighting we hone ourselves as valuators, shed our lesser atoms, learn to know integrity from its opposite in every type and context, and eventually find we are equal to the sun, and perceive the shit of the world only with merciless drought, and we hide when the gods below see it fit to shed their waters on that shit - we will light those gods from above.  Do you remember the clouds at dawn from above? I once spent an entire flight to the US at pace with the setting sun hovering just above and then for hours underneath he clouds which opened in great red gaps of lava-fire at intervals. When I arrived there was a snowstorm in New York. Im saying there is a crisis coming and great human weather. There's never been a spectacle like this on Earth, take the myth of the fall of Atlantis and reverse it - in this way myths often work, as mirrors from the future. Atlantis is something we can see as resulting from a philosophical explication of Nato - the Atlantic Alliance. I mean in terms of hundreds, a thousand years - an apex for man to build towards so he can again surpass himself -
Trumps victory created a new law, that makes chaos into something constructive.
This law is of course selfvaluing logic on an international scale.
the world has become infinitely more robust, below the increasingly chaotic surface.
The increasing chaos is only a symptom of the world increased capacity to endure it.
And where it can be endured chaos is the greatest freedom.

Chaos elected Trump, as it once birthed Eros and Earth.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 5:41 pm

All this may be true, but we are fighting a battle of demographics here. It is quite simple in this regard: add up all of the brainwashed leftie-Marxists, and then add to that the number of foreign immigrants (1st or 2nd generation) who have come to your country and can now vote. If that number is greater than the number of "authentically French" people, to use France as an example, then your country and culture is finished. Period.

Erdogan already admitted the plan is for Turks to out-breed the native Europeans. This isn't a conspiracy, this is just a fact. Most immigrants are now coming to Europe without any intention to integrate, they don't give one fuck about our western civilization. They want a lot of free shit that we are too stupid to stop giving them. And yes, they have many more babies than we do, and they are naturally aligned to leftist-Marxist (collectivist authoritarian) ideology since after all they are, for the most part, coming here from third-world shitholes and happen to be practitioners of a medieval from of religion that teaches non-entity-ness and tyranny as values.

So while I understand the position you are outlining, you'll have to forgive me for going a different way. In five more years there might not be much left of France left to save.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 5:51 pm

And that bleakest moment is the sort of moment when Napoleon arose.

In this time that would mean using nukes on Turkey, for example.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 5:55 pm

Lets say thats the most radical example. It would also call for... mild reorganization in Nato.

I mean to indicate the levels of extremity that are conceivable in the end.
Russia would have to side with France as it is fighting the same fight.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 6:10 pm

So thats it for politics for now -
the four major electoral dramas have been concluded - Brexit, Trump, no Wilders and no Le Pen.

I dont see much reason to dwell on it much more now. On to greater things.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 6:25 pm

Yeah, the French people have spoken and they wish to stay the course. I wish them well.

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Sun May 07, 2017 8:47 pm

To my satisfaction I was able to understand the entire discourse. I find him by far the most impressive "eurocrat". The first one that truly has a mandate, too - 65 percent by all democratic logic means indeed that the people have spoken.



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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Mon May 08, 2017 7:13 am

Only time will tell if he will be France's new Napoleon or just the same old thing.

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Mon May 08, 2017 6:40 pm

Ha, well a Napoleon is a bit much to ask. But at the least he has some passion in his soul, that is undeniable.

 

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PostSubject: Re: French Elections   Mon May 08, 2017 6:54 pm

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Ha, well a Napoleon is a bit much to ask. But at the least he has some passion in his soul, that is undeniable.

Yeah, we all need passion in our life and especially in our interactions with others. Too little of the real stuff now-a-days. But lots of drama.
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