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PostSubject: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Feb 23, 2018 5:42 am

Might as well start up a place for dialogues. This one was decent, I got a nice rage quit out of it at the end, lol. And I got to demonstrate the vapidity and inanity that secretly or not-so-secretly motivates leftist "thinking".




You both like philosophy.
Stranger: Hey.
You: hi
You: how are you?
Stranger: What up?
You: just finished an essay
You: yourself?
Stranger: Having a few drinks.
You: nice, same here
Stranger: You study?
You: on my own, yes
You: not in school
Stranger: But you write essays? lol
You: for myself, to organize my thoughts
Stranger: Fucking weird.
Stranger: I study sociology.
You: ok
You: you would be a good target audience for my essay, then
Stranger: Cool, hit me up.
You: since my essay deals with homosexuality and gender identity issues
Stranger: Nice, I have quite a bit of experience in that.
You: i bet
Stranger: Seriously, though, copy-paste me, bro.
You: my conclusion on homosexuality is that it is a degradation and damage to the sexual instinctive hormonal process at the biological and/or psychological levels, to the point where the normal sexual response (attractiveness feeling) ends up being paired with the wrong stimulus, and/or the normal sexual response (attractiveness feeling) fails to appear in the presence of the correct stimulus
You: well that is just a summary of the section on homosexuality, among the conclusions i draw
Stranger: Hmm.
Stranger: So where did you prove heterosexuality is the default sexual response?
You: by reference to evolution and natural selection
You: and the biological necessity of reproduction
Stranger: We do many things that aren't default to survive.
Stranger: And evolutionary psychology is bunk.
Stranger: Like-- literally bullshit.
You: im not taking about "doing things", just about the biological an psychological processes behind sexual instinctive and hormone processes
Stranger: OK, but none of those actually promote any sexuality as the "default" sexuality.
You: the fact that i use my fingers to type on this keyboard, and that keyboards did not exist in the evolutionary past, has nothing to do with anything
Stranger: But the fact is that just because not having a keyboard or knowing how to use it was "normal" once upon a time, it didn't imprint non-keyboard use in your brain to the point that keyboard use became a perversion.
You: well there is a default sexuality simply because sexuality serves one basic function: to arouse attractiveness feelings and lead to orgasm
Stranger: I disagree with that.
You: So you just ask, what is the purpose of orgasm and attractiveness feeling?
You: how so?
Stranger: Sexuality as we know the symbol is about way more than just attraction and orgasm.
You: I am talking about its most basic function and purpose
Stranger: It's a marker of our own identity and social roles in comparison to eachother.
You: Not about any extended reasons or ends to which we might put it
Stranger: OK, but I'm saying you can't.
You: the ONLY reason we have a sexual instinct at all, is because it is necessary for reproduction of the next generation, and reproduction of the next generation is how natural selection works
You: but now that it exists, youre right we can use it in new ways
You: im not saying homosexuality is wrong
Stranger: No.
Stranger: No, no no.
You: just that it is a destruction or damage to the normal sexual process
Stranger: Hold on.
Stranger: It's not a "new way."
You: i mean new ways in general
Stranger: Sexuality itself has always been a complicated social issue.
You: like fucking virtual reality dolls or robots or whatever else
Stranger: Just because reproduction requires heterosexual penetration and orgasm doesn't actually define sexuality or sex.
You: the complex social nature of sexuality has nothing to do with what i am talking about, the basic biological purpose of sexual instinct itself
You: it defines it at the most basic level
Stranger: But biology doesn't have purpose!
You: of course it does
Stranger: Random things randomly work out.
You: every biological process has a purpose, or several
Stranger: Deterministically.
Stranger: No, no, no.
You: random mutations occur, yes
You: the purpose of my stomach is to digest food
You: etc
Stranger: No.
Stranger: Your stomach digests food, because your ancestors had stomachs.
You: right
Stranger: And theirs something like one, etc etc etc.
You: because that is what a stomach does
Stranger: No.
Stranger: Because that's what carried over.
You: it does not digest glass, for good reason
Stranger: No, for no good reason!
You: there is no nutritive content in glass that is accessible to me
You: of course for good reason
Stranger: No!
You: the reason is that glass has no nurtiorn that my body can use
You: *nutrition
Stranger: There is no reason to nature!
Stranger: It's just whatever happens to be able to survive in the exact iteration of the universe at that moment.
You: do you mean the natural world?
Stranger: I mean nature.
You: yes, whatever happens to survive happens also to create the next generation
You: but you have to ask what survival means and entails
Stranger: Not necessarily.
You: survival is not simply random and without meaning
Stranger: Survival isn't random-random. It's determined-- everything is determined--but there's no meaning.
Stranger: Just like there's no meaning to life.
You: everything is determined, yes
You: i agree with that
You: of course there is meaning in life
Stranger: lol How?
You: at the most basic level, the meaning of life generally is to find things that are meaningful to that life specifically, to the individual him/herself
You: but each person has many different meanings
Stranger: You're assuming the framework of meaning.
You: of course, because meaning is the case
You: we never do anything without meaning
Stranger: There is no meaning, because meaning is absurd.
You: can you even imagine doing something without meaning?
Stranger: I go to work all the time.
You: that has meaning
You: you get money
You: or experience
Stranger: lol Doesn't get me money.
You: your job gets your labor energy
Stranger: Gets my boss money, and he pays me as little as he legally can.
You: whatever reason you do it, that is part of its meaing
You: but also more part of its meaning is the experiences you have there
You: these are meaningful to you in some way
You: positively or negatively
Stranger: So my meaning is eating peanut butter and jelly sandwich?
You: that is just one very small aspect yes
Stranger: No, that's bullshit.
Stranger: It's a total perversion of existential thought.
You: how so?
You: existentialism is all about meaning
You: nietzsche is my homie, lol
Stranger: Meaning isn't about past experiences adding up to a total, but the total aiming to the future.
You: it is about both
Stranger: Nietzsche is an antagonist to Sartre existentialism that's usually recognized.
Stranger: OK, it may be /both/ in use, but only one applies to existentialism.
You: yes, but nietzsche is infinitelybetter than sartre
Stranger: Yeah, but he's a nihilist.
Stranger: And I think Sartre is better.
You: if you like sartre i can see why you are sort of depressive "life has no meaning" sort of approach
Stranger: I'm not depressed. lmao
You: nietzsche is an anti-nihilist
You: i said depressive, not depressed
You: there is a distinction
Stranger: It's not depressive.
You: ok then, my mistake
You: basic nihilist then
Stranger: I'm not a nihilist.
You: you just implied there is no such thing as meaning
You: that is the classic definition of nihilism
Stranger: The category of meaning to life is absurd.
You: why?
Stranger: That's difference than saying life has no meaning.
You: wait, i dont see the distinction there
Stranger: Why would you ever think life has meaning? We're random building blocks of carbon with biological comptuers.
You: what does the category of meaning to life is absurd, mean?
You: (no pun intended)
You: no, we are not just those random computers and stuff
Stranger: Yes, we literally are. lmao
You: there is a base layer of randomness when it comes to genetic mutation
You: and to experiential factors to a degree
You: but beyond that, things are organized logically and meaningful
You: *ly
Stranger: lmao In a determinist fashion.
You: you just need to ask yourself WHY something is the case
You: i am a hard determinist myself
Stranger: If I kick the dust outside my door and it all flies up, each piece of dust doesn't have a meaning.
You: principle of sufficient reason is my go to
Stranger: They're all DETERMINED to move that way, but there's no MEANING in their movements.
You: the action of kicking the dust may have a meaning, or maybe it was unintended or a random muscle spasm
Stranger: No.
Stranger: Listen.
Stranger: The dust doesn't have meaning.
Stranger: We're dust.
You: in the case of the dust, the meaning would depend on a dust mite having access to meaning, which it doesnt
You: because it is not alive
You: we are not dust
Stranger: Why does it matter if they're alive? lmao
You: there is a large degree and kind of difference between living and nonliving beings
You: although, interestingly, that difference reduces into a common logical framework
Stranger: Dude, you don't get more meaning just because you are capable of seeing and processing stimuli.
You: of course you do
Stranger: How?
You: you get access to actually being able to have meaning in the first place, which a rock doesnt
You: meaning is simply "being motivated by, understanding, reacting"
Stranger: No.
Stranger: No, it is not.
You: an internalization of the external force or fact
Stranger: That is literally not at all the meaning of meaning in existentialism.
Stranger: You need to read a fucking book.
Stranger has disconnected.



I would say this about sums it up, "Stranger: Why does it matter if they're alive? lmao".

 

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Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? ...
I am your labyrinth ...”.  -N

“A man is not great if he is not small, and he is not small if he is not great. Concepts flirt with the loss of their significance in the oscillation between ambiguous states, and this is in part the function and purpose of concepts.” -Primer on Meaning
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 3:24 pm

"Base nihilist then."

I laughed several times reading this.

"I bet."
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 3:49 pm

"The category of meaning to life is absurd."

insane in a very creepy way

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 3:51 pm

Damn this nihilism of them is structured in the same way as -- --.
a mysticism of terms through which the mind -- ew
I was describing it but it literally makes me -


thats le --

yeah this.
how you're supposed to re-

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so really what real with you today


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-what is real today?
-the category of meaning to life is absurd.


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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 4:13 pm

The categorical absurdity of categories
the absurd category
the absurdity that overlaps itself beyond the scope of separate things.
It
Stephens Kings baseball experiences

Crucifixion and black mass. The meanings of such things is to reduce the scope of meaning to meaningful proportions and get on with the life as a baker, janitor, supervisor or data-entryman.

But meaning creeps thicker than itself. Kekqed!

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 4:17 pm

Meaning of no meaning, whats real is real.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 8:09 pm

i just hate idiots. it really is that simple. i cannot psychologically tolerate them. when i am subjected to them without a means of immediate control, like disconnecting from a chat, i start imagining plunging a large knife into the side of my head. such thoughts do help, when you cannot escape insanity.

 

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I am your labyrinth ...”.  -N

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 9:26 pm

What's real about that?
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 10:06 pm

are you suggesting people are not, as a general rule, insane idiots? because that would be interesting.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 10:45 pm

I'm just aksin
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 28, 2018 11:00 pm

dude i do not care. people are shit.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 29, 2018 7:05 am

"This thing about adding 'Real' as an immediate criterion and supplemental term, is excellent. "

The search goes on, I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 29, 2018 12:00 pm

Stranger: But you write essays? lol
You: for myself, to organize my thoughts
Stranger: Fucking weird.



??????????????????????????????

what kind of inferior animal is this???

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 29, 2018 12:20 pm

Real is patient.

Capables realness is harshly evident in his refusal to accept that others are unreal, the pain he is willing endure from the unreal just to give them a chance to prove the they are real. He bleeds like a wolf...  

C I now you wel enough to know that you constantly viscerally weigh the price you re wiling to pay for not actually giving up on humanity as a whole like you know would be justified - I think you might never give up, in which case, there is no other path than to assume leadership in their realm of their supposed  codes - the ones they lost. In the coming years Ill still have to do a lot of work to prepare for the transit into the age of the immediate mind, and I know you need to work as well like a well that needs to overflow.

Realize the codes of the left. If anyone can do that it is definitely you, clear from the first major signs of this paradigm war, medio 2013 or so - things I would never be able to speak on without clarifying constantly that I am heavily partial and liking that - a set of relatively stable conceptions that people can work with as if they are absolutes. So far youve been trying to explain to people head on what you are experiencing - that is like an incoming freight train "levelling" with a bunch of crates piled up on the tracks.

But since this world of American academics is still your given environment, you should might become what Jordan Peterson can not. Neither of us is good at being a right wing person, you're even worse than I am - were both very much empathic and trusting. I think when you write from this empathy for mankind your magnificence is always apparent, as how a dome of star would speak through its reflection in the water to some animals drinking at an oasis.

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 29, 2018 2:15 pm

I agree.

You represent something essencial of and for the human species. Something that has been belittled most of all by right wingers, who consider empathy a weakness.

An intelligence that has been wanting to burst out for... probably millenia. You have the jewel. So trust it! Let it have its power. Don't have empathy for cowards and much less fear it will not achieve all the power it wants, which is more than it can imagine and will be determined by the reaction of the real world to it (not your images).
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Jun 29, 2018 2:17 pm

"I think when you write from this empathy for mankind your magnificence is always apparent, as how a dome of star would speak through its reflection in the water to some animals drinking at an oasis."

No better words for how I see it.
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeSat Jul 28, 2018 3:39 pm

To reiterate the hierarchy

real - best, aristos
cool - good
hate - not good
lie - bad.

Lie cool, cool hate, real hate, real cool,  thats possible, but not real lie.

Moral: One must often lie, but make it a cool lie rather than a hate lie.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeSat Jul 28, 2018 3:41 pm

Cool liars and real haters -
thats interesting juxtaposition.
At first glance you'd say the cool liars have the upper hand.
But if lying is all they are about, then the haters will in the end overcome and overwhelm.

I guess Trumps following Obama was the real haters overcoming the cool liars.
Real hate, hate of what is hateful.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeSat Jul 28, 2018 3:43 pm

fake hate, thats whats going on.

Hate lie, lie hate.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeSat Jul 28, 2018 4:24 pm

truth supersedes all lies and all hate. effortlessly.

truth is funny as fuck like that. ain’t nothin more badass in this existence.

even liars and haters become amusing to truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Dialogues    Dialogues  Icon_minitimeFri Aug 10, 2018 1:50 pm

its funny how words work -
truth for me never managed to take ont he meaning it has for you -
in my mind truth must alway be about something.
Many occultists do see truth as a universal supreme... self-valuing I suppose.

Maybe I had to invent VO because of not being able to see what others see.

I do understand what real is, better than truth - and I do understand truthful.

But Truth, as such - very interesting no-go area in my brain.
Maybe I have simply realized that it is of no use to this about it long humans.
Maybe Ive just only internalized it and never show it directly except when I soulcrush someone.

Or make some music. Yeah - this is true. I do relate to truth in music.

 

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