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'Mortal as I am, I know that I am born for a day. But when I follow at my pleasure the serried multitude of the stars in their circular course, my feet no longer touch the earth.'
Unreal, this article spends paragraph after paragraph insulting Trump and saying he was wrong about what he said regarding dairy tariffs, and then... says he was right.
HAHAHA
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:06 am
“Economists debunk Trump trade “facts”... by agreeing with him”.
It’s just too funny and tragic to even believe to be real. Yet it is.
Many people really, really are this fuckin garbagestupid.
Hopefully this will allow him to turn his powerful gaze to South América now.
On that note, what will he be able to do, change there?
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:55 pm
What he's been doing so far. Draw clear lines regarding America's interests. Choke 'en out until they dissossiate from terrorist, both muslim and mexican. Disrupt comunista activity by striking it in non-obviously related spots, like alliances that communists don't own up to.
Like all peoples in touch with the real world, we respect people that fiercely protect their own interests. No games.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:15 pm
The internal politics of SA are such an intricate web of corrupción and clientelismo that he can't hope to take proper sides. That was the republicans' mistake in the past. Favoring this guy over that guy, getting up a dictator. I mean we're not the Middle East, we don't go berzerk so there's no need for militar y dictatorships. They are fragile anyway and work against liberty.
A much more effective change would be to simply face down the US's enemies who have all set up camp there. Seeking to harm the US, they just moved in with their money and their networks and just trashed the whole neighbourhood. They are the US's problemas and should be dealt with by the US. And it would take a big burden off of our developpment, but that's neither here nir there for Trump. He just has to disallow his enemies having a prescence on his continent.
If he tries to nation build, he fucks up. But I don't think he will."Take the oil!" We can work with that mentality. We're hustlers.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:25 pm
Colombia is a big exception there. They just elected a guy who is pretty clean, very clean from a SA perspective. They joined NATO. That gives the US some liscence to conducta counterterrorist ops from there.
Colombians have always been the least comfortable with corruption and informality. They went pretty dark with that for a while, some social cleansing happened. But they're more sober now, they had to mature a lot to overcome the power of the cartels. They still are a major international drug por, but everybody is kept in line, neither fascista not commies are accepted. This combinación of anti corruption, a formalista legalist mentality and a newly discovered love for capitalism proper has made them very American. I accept them as an American embassy. And everyone else will too, all the more so because they won't have a choice.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:38 pm
China will have do be handled effectively. They can prop up idiots and assholes if they open up to chinese investment, but they'd just as happily prop up sane men. And we could use some of tha China money. Just do the same as with NK, prohibit recklessness and allow the chinese to make economic inroads within those parameters.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:40 pm
The enemy in China is the imperialist authoritarianism propped up by communistish rhetoric.
Right now, that and the economic genious of China have gone hand in hand. But a tiny gap exists which can be widened with time.
What he's been doing so far. Draw clear lines regarding America's interests. Choke 'en out until they dissossiate from terrorist, both muslim and mexican. Disrupt comunista activity by striking it in non-obviously related spots, like alliances that communists don't own up to.
Cool. At what point and to what extent do you want to allow a physical presence? Before, you explained how hard it is to win the oil, how crude it is - do you mean for Trump to become involved in this, in enabling the industry with the means of Corporate America?
I would imagine a proper financial bridge like that, if coupled with the ideological initiatives you mention, almost guarantees a renaissance of the continent in the long run. But to create the proper inroads and domestic justifications would be a massive task.
But it makes sense, in terms of Kissinger and Nixon. Where they bloated up China, they sabotaged South America. If I take your earlier juxtaposition Trump would be in the position to undo the magic this earlier duo pulled on the continent, and through that road trace back and roll back all the commie/contra dread.
Technically, Venezuela can become an inroad to Trumpism through becoming the most prosperous nation of the southern Americas. But to make that happen, 20th century politics have to be defeated there as well.
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Like all peoples in touch with the real world, we respect people that fiercely protect their own interests. No games.
The internal politics of SA are such an intricate web of corrupción and clientelismo that he can't hope to take proper sides. That was the republicans' mistake in the past. Favoring this guy over that guy, getting up a dictator. I mean we're not the Middle East, we don't go berzerk so there's no need for militar y dictatorships. They are fragile anyway and work against liberty.
There is no comparison between the desert and the jungle. There is desert in the US but no jungle. You can't top-down govern SA, you need simply to insert economic logics and infrastructure, and leave the politics to follow the prosperity.
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A much more effective change would be to simply face down the US's enemies who have all set up camp there. Seeking to harm the US, they just moved in with their money and their networks and just trashed the whole neighbourhood. They are the US's problemas and should be dealt with by the US. And it would take a big burden off of our developpment, but that's neither here nir there for Trump. He just has to disallow his enemies having a prescence on his continent.
Right, okay its that way. Thankfully we now have Pompeo then, Tillerson could hardly be asked to perform the sort of intelligence missions required here, lol. Im not even going to ask you to list these enemies, I can gather, and an ugly picture is forming. Because in their own world these forces stand opposed - ugly enough - if they combine jut to wreak havoc, sickening. I start to understand the urgency.
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If he tries to nation build, he fucks up. But I don't think he will."Take the oil!" We can work with that mentality. We're hustlers.
With desirable product. Unlike most other nations of the continent, so it makes sense that this whole thing starts with Venezuela. It is the nation most eminently in need of restructuring, and the nation with the best capacity to reign financially. Once a world is shown a transformation from despair to primacy in its midst, it awakens to a new health.
Scenario; 2023 Venezuela; a star is born.
Could be the spearhead. Could very well be the thing to do for philosophy.
Colombia is a big exception there. They just elected a guy who is pretty clean, very clean from a SA perspective. They joined NATO. That gives the US some liscence to conducta counterterrorist ops from there.
I didn't even fucking know that. What the hell, that makes NATO a hell of a lot more useful. I see they joined right when Europe was most suffering of the organizations schemes, so I would not have registered it as a good thing.
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Colombians have always been the least comfortable with corruption and informality. They went pretty dark with that for a while, some social cleansing happened. But they're more sober now, they had to mature a lot to overcome the power of the cartels. They still are a major international drug por, but everybody is kept in line, neither fascista not commies are accepted. This combinación of anti corruption, a formalista legalist mentality and a newly discovered love for capitalism proper has made them very American. I accept them as an American embassy. And everyone else will too, all the more so because they won't have a choice.
Good old Colombia. Cant help to associate it with my childhood and my friend from there with whom I always played football in the street after dinner until it got too dark to see the ball. We broke a lot of windows together. He went back ultimately, found his mother.
Im glad to have lost my interest in Brazil - Im back to the two crown nations.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:41 pm
Yeah, SAns on the whole are not strategists but just crazy. Beautiful bastards. But they're reasonable. Jungle and sea combined to make them exceptionally good humored.
That said, things aren't so simple with Venezuela. There are some damned complicated histórical dynamics at work, but suffice to say that right now it is far closer to NK than Colombia. There can be no wishful thinking here. Some may be tempted by the current collapse to think that the time is ripe for some American sanity, but nothing there got resolved. Again, getting up a gvt made up of current opposition would not hold up. The creativity requires is so complicated that it is best left to the Gods. All Trump can do to help is eliminate his own enemies there.
For now, Colombia and very possibly Brazil will be The guiding lights. China will be necessary as a counterbalance in favor of sanity, specially in Venezuela.
Hungary recently called for 21st century democracia ot capitalism or something. We came up with that. Chavez's famous 21st century socialism. And it was true. We did move past 20th century politics, just in a very dark, chaotic, as yet inscrutable direction.
Prudence dictates minimum necessary action.
To be clear, I'd love to see massive western investment into Venezuelan oil. We need the work. Ditto for many transnacionales. Our collapsed currency would offer great advantages for industrial developpment.
But, as with NK, the future is veiled.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:11 pm
As a side note,
Even Europeans that migrate to SA get sucked into the crazy reasonable ethos. Granted, they are mostly Spanish, Portuguese and Italiana, who are already a little better humores, less strategic and more crazy than their peers, but the reasonable parte they get here.
The only large European inmigrantes group that seems to be inmune are the germans. All premillenial germans seem to be earnest fascists at heart. With the possible exeption of Rammstein. Who can also possible be credited with the liberation of the following generations.
Yeah, SAns on the whole are not strategists but just crazy. Beautiful bastards. But they're reasonable. Jungle and sea combined to make them exceptionally good humored.
That said, things aren't so simple with Venezuela. There are some damned complicated histórical dynamics at work, but suffice to say that right now it is far closer to NK than Colombia. There can be no wishful thinking here. Some may be tempted by the current collapse to think that the time is ripe for some American sanity, but nothing there got resolved. Again, getting up a gvt made up of current opposition would not hold up. The creativity requires is so complicated that it is best left to the Gods. All Trump can do to help is eliminate his own enemies there.
Damn I wonder if it isn't time to bring up architecture here. I have these glass domes to begin with, can be made billion products, ideal for wet sunbathed countries, though also or mountains, city-seeding, place-generating. Heideggerian politics - but in real circumstances - i.e. where rather than man it is the circumstance which encroaches. WtP from the outside. That is SA I think. I had the stupidity to test it, and the wits to survive it.
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Because what you need is an initiative, a financial thrust that decontextualizes the whole situation. You need a new beginning, somewhere in the middle of the jungle. A capital investment and what better to invest in the a lasting thing like a city - a Big, big thing. If you invest, invest bigly. And the problem as been with the interawebz that no serious investments in how to build shit were made. The biggest company on the planet should be a construction company.
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For now, Colombia and very possibly Brazil will be The guiding lights. China will be necessary as a counterbalance in favor of sanity, specially in Venezuela.
Brazil is not so happy with itself it seems, a politician just got shot by the police when I was there, could e a sliding scale? What do I know. I should hope not, but they were not optimistic, the people I talked to. Colombia and Venezuela are on the northern hemisphere. I found out that matters. Even the water turns differently, let alone the stars. The sky is a freakin chaos down there.
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Hungary recently called for 21st century democracia ot capitalism or something. We came up with that. Chavez's famous 21st century socialism. And it was true. We did move past 20th century politics, just in a very dark, chaotic, as yet inscrutable direction.
This is all eclipsed by the advent of pure nihilism in 2003, the collapse of the Icon and the birth of true representation. Only now can things happen as planned. No politics escape the shadows of New York, the will to power has been made overt and light an dark became a bewildering pattern and humanity fainted, except for a few who stayed away in a deep trip.
The age of Horus, the avenging of Osiris, the introduction of the feline into our conscience to replace god - ultimately the Great Cat Ra - things are out in the open. The trick of the crime was to make it visible, but so bold that people closed their eyes. In the land of the blind, who's king? Still a question, but it narrows it down.
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Prudence dictates minimum necessary action.
To be clear, I'd love to see massive western investment into Venezuelan oil. We need the work. Ditto for many transnacionales. Our collapsed currency would offer great advantages for industrial developpment.
But, as with NK, the future is veiled.
Its not been made yet. I believe that it is still a blank canvas. The only one in the world.
Whats fixed is that certain things work. Certain things like pleasure and pride in health will work well with monetary value. Maximize the beautiful nature of people in this country, by emphasizing it with architecture of the highest transparency. Just maximize the potential by eliminating the forces you identity as working against the US, which in the case means the free market.
SA is too rich to be exploited as crudely - it needs tailor made excesses. It needs to be the most voluptuous economy of the planet. It has it in itself, but only through politics beyond the chasm - business as usual.
Merge politics into the earth. Build a culture. Put wealth to value beyond use.
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The only large European inmigrantes group that seems to be inmune are the germans. All premillenial germans seem to be earnest fascists at heart. With the possible exeption of Rammstein. Who can also possible be credited with the liberation of the following generations.
Brilliant.
But into what are they liberated....
Into the EU. Into Islam - weird wyrd these guys got.
Bayern, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Austria We were laughing as we were listing them at dinner European powers that will last. Switzerland the oldest standing fortress of these, but Hitler occurred only because Bayern was about the secede. All that is the heritage of what was once the wealth of Rome. The area of Lyon of France could be seen as part of it as well but France just isn't as cold blooded. Bayer just bought Monsanto and stripped it of the name. Now it "doesn't exist". It just lives buried in Southern Germany like Gladio supplies.
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Subject: Re: Trumpf Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:57 pm
Da, da, I hear you.
You have rejected my invitations in the past. What hope do your plans have of breaking into Venezuela or even SA if you can't convince a competent, sympathetic local?
I've lost faith.
But what matters, what really matters, the fertility is now there and for the long run. Trump is the great farmer, correcting the flow of nutrientes and water, weeding the weeds, exterminaron the vermin and parásitos.
We got future. Do you want to be in or out?
As The Oracle told Neo, the decisión is probably already made. All you can do is understand it.
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