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PostSubject: Re: in group preference    in group preference  - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 01, 2018 7:05 pm

One of your grandfathers wrote about the outcast, can't remember the proper term. Is Trump not their hero?
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My sister, the Taurean, is a leftist. Why? Powerful people seek powerful tools. I'm just trying to make her see that it's not worth it.

For instance, she's a hardline feminist in theory. In practice she is womanly in her power. Now feminism addresses real questions, questions about the power of wome  which has been surpressed for a long time.

But it's like trying to repair a wooden bench by burning it down.

Yeah I suppose this si the core of the problem, that feminism is of course completely relevant to all women who have seen or endured the fragility of female position.

What she needs to do is acknowledge the fragility is not absence of power.
What feminism, or yours sis, need to do.

A right wing feminism is just an assertive woman who doesnt like male bitches and also scorns the criminal. She's got to be an independent feminist wearing yoga pants playing tennis.

 

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PostSubject: Re: in group preference    in group preference  - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 01, 2018 7:10 pm

Lol, she'll find her path. The longer it takes the more the promise. I do believe only women can figure it out, or a Dionisian priest, but it hasn't been done yet.

The youngest one, also absurdly ambitious, is more reasonable. I have already set her on an inevitably powerful womanly path. It's beautiful.

Even the girl I called a witch, that I showed you the chart, is now more powercul for my having demanded womanly power of her. She expects it also of herself now, I opened the gates.


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One of your grandfathers wrote about the outcast, can't remember the proper term. Is Trump not their hero?

Right, the Praise of Unadaptedness.

I think he fucked around with Hegel and came up with a better idea.
His own brand of the brew, with an emphasis of how the unadapted person becomes a standard, from what I gather form the first chapter -- I havent dared to read it yet. It will influence me way too much.

So instead of master slave and capital proletariat we get norm and antinorm.
thats a pretty damn good explanation of how Communism mutated actually.

 

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All of Nietzsche is a praise of unadaptedness.
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Lol, she'll find her path. The longer it takes the more the promise. I do believe only women can figure it out, or a Dionisian priest, but it hasn't been done yet.

The youngest one, also absurdly ambitious, is more reasonable. I have already set her on an inevitably powerful womanly path. It's beautiful.

Even the girl I called a witch, that I showed you the chart, is now more powercul for my having demanded womanly power of her. She expects it also of herself now, I opened the gates.

If you want a VO narrative content its this, even Trumps victory is - the self-valuing power unleashed since the human recognition of the principle, probably symptoms of the same evolutional pressures rather than casually related, is unmistakably world-altering. By analogy, what we behave like is the Achaioi, the tribe whose story disappears into the mist behind Homer.

 

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Pezer wrote:
All of Nietzsche is a praise of unadaptedness.

And naturally, all of my grandfather is wil to power.

 

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All of everything is will to power.
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PostSubject: Re: in group preference    in group preference  - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 01, 2018 7:18 pm

This all leads neatly to my longstanding description of VO as a snapshot of will to power in time.
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PostSubject: Re: in group preference    in group preference  - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 01, 2018 7:26 pm

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This all leads neatly to my longstanding description of VO as a snapshot of will to power in time.

Yes - but aso as a 4d model of the whole monster, and of all kinds of sub-monsters; lives. The self-valuing logic applies beautifully to the life-arc/span too.

In the snapshot, what serves is the ability it offers us to discern the exact way in which will to power works as a particular; how (or for amateurs, "why") power is communicated and consummated.

Self-Valuing logic is a snapshot of the theoretical point exactly between the cause and the effect of Newtonean physics. In that moment resides the will to power, and we can identify it only as our most efficient experience, the most vigorous and exhaustive.

 

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some people care more about power than truth.

i have words for such people, but i will be polite and keep them to myself.
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didnt mean to kill the conversation there. obviously i am speaking for myself and no one else. certainly nor for anyone I dont actually know.

but it is my line in the sand, the flag I plant and define territory by. love of power vs love of truth. power is good, very good, but it must be subservient to truth, always. the love of power that is greater than or outside of a love of truth is ...well there isn't really even a good word for it. language is too honest for that.
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it isn’t one thing or another, good or bad, or neither. it is a tool created by truth and set into the world first in nature and then in humanity (human+nature). it’s like a knife, just a truth and a tool. interesting and very divergent things develop into existence deriving from the existence of good tools. heidegger and all that.

i don’t know about th left anymore, i know enough about it but it’s also complex and morphing before our eyes. which makes me suspect that the left really isn’t a substance, it isn’t s coherent thing at all but just some secondary process and after effect of other things that are actually real and substantial.

hard earthy conservatism on the other hand never really changes.
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Left is the outcasts of conservatism who crumbled under the pressure, they were in it more for the romance than the experience.
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I can readily accept and seem to u derstand your exposition of VO as Will to Power as seen from the outside, the essence of physics.

But there will always be more power from the inside, for it is there that physics and all things spring from.
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PostSubject: Re: in group preference    in group preference  - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 01, 2018 8:42 pm

yes and i do not see VO as a power lens, i see it as a truth lens. hence its... power.
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I meant the power to truth as well.
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the power of truth, the truth of power, and then the intersection of those two.

yes i’ve written about this in CS.
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No, the power to truth.
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Let's say power=capacity+energy
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yes i caught that but i upgraded it
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I caught that too but it's just a feedback loop. The power to it is always appears behind the curtaine.
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truth has no curtains
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Truth pierces curtains.
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yep that’s what i said
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