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PostSubject: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 6:56 am

I've dedicated my life to understanding and befriending jaded people. Because they have extremely good taste as a rule and are objectively the coolest people.

But there is nothing I myself am less.

This has probably led many to see me as jaded or, more likely, trying to act like I'm jaded, and this in turn has led them to abuse me unwittingly. People seem to think my hopes and dreams and plans are a kind of cynical gesture.

The ones already on my side, the cool kids. The ones I try to recruit just see me as childishly and unrealistically overeager. Maybe they both see me like that. Maybe that's all wrong. Maybe those who know a certain side of me see the unrealistic overeager child and those who know me a certain other way see the jaded cynic.

But I promise you, I would have been nothing less than a general in Sparta.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 7:09 am

Jade in Sparta


A Hollmer Heimling movie.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 7:14 am

But that does explain our differences, my frustration with you -
I live to frustrate the jaded by confronting them with my unattainable vigour, and that of, I imagine, my friends. I can't stand jaded people - and it is indeed, when you turn Jade-like that I lose the idea that you're actually there, as Pezer.

I know you as someone who has a pretty good un-jaded side.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 8:31 am

The world all of it is mine. Why should the jaded not be?
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 9:07 am

lol
phaer enough

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 9:18 am

I wonder if the Sun says that to the Moon. Such arrogance.

In many cultures the Moon is a male entity.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 9:41 am


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In many cultures the Moon is a male entity.

I know it of the Germans, Der Mond, Die Sonne.
Few things are more telling.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:04 pm

Or the guys the Incas had to overcome to become ultimate rulers. Appearently they were quite gay tho, maybe it's all right that they were defeated. Not againstit but there is an even cooler manmoon.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:20 pm

Interesting connection to the gay
Of course the nazis were gay as hell, for their subtle parts.
Athens turned gay when it began leaning toward fascism.
Plate is the triumph of the gay - the all too polished, the genderless - and he certainly did not know the female moon.
I doubt he knew the male one though.

What he did was hide all the Greeks had attained and been.

His notion of the Form and the Ideal stems from older notions of self-revealing, self-disclosing, aletheia -
an aesthetic order intangible to the latter less healthy Atheneians, the old "ideal forms" didn't use to be beings that have a place in an order, but becomings that take a place in a ordering that is thereby advanced and slanted to their character.

Ordering with a seal of chaos -
Chaos forms the trenches filled with water and spikes around a being, creativity is alway required, thus great nonsense coupled with brilliant pragmatism, to cross such a divide.

We beings are protected from each other by chaos, because chaos is not only giving birth and destroying but also preserving.

The Olympian most closely resembling Chaos within our paradigm, the West : Poseidon.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:49 pm

The West is defined by a tragic attraction to Truth.
Truth apprehended must always be an illusion, and a very destructive one at that -
the attraction to truth therefore gives birth to a higher impulse, the war within the truth-ravaged soul, which is Art.

I would say western art starts with the Sphinx. 25 centuries before Christ, as Napoleon realized when he marched his army underneath it.
The nature of the Sphinx, and in a more subtle way the Pyramids, are question-like.
It was in the media a few days ago that the great Pyramid ha been demonstrated now, with the recent discovery of another chamber, to be able to generate an electromagnetic fields. Thats not art, that is mere craft.

At continues with the Jews, with Homer and the Tragedies, the cynical sex poetry of the Romans, and then Christianity, a great perverting piece of art, under de malspices of which the Renaissance took place spawning the violence of the Opera, Shakespeare, the overwhelming scientific genius of the 19th/20th centuries, also weapons against truth attained in the lust for truth;

Truth if it weren't necessarily an illusion to perspectival beings would mean that we would all be one and the same thing. This is to the case, because truth is weaker than the being over which it presides.

Truth presides, but it can not be known, though it can be seen and its existence can be conveyed, which is our violent and sadistic joy, Capable probably the most extreme.

A lesson to be learned though is the to build something, Truth must yield to a primordial blindness to it, a perspectival vigour that we call self-valuing, or will to power; the truths about which can be thought, but not known;

as C says, such insights always recede immediately, because the world is made precisely out of their negation.
It makes us very happy to be able to access truth as minimally illusory, but we deep down know how to value this power in terms of our self-valuings most resilient stable core as well as its most riveting chaos at the fringes, meaning that we too make truth our own and thereby "break it" - fragment it - but then, the dance.

Within the Orn Broken cave truth was being reconstructed from its fragmentary being in the knowledge of wise men into a "the whole of beings". A needle in the hide of the fat cow, just enough to get her moving.

Truth is most assuredly chaotic, much more so than any being can endure, truth will always become something radically different as a consequence of itself; and not in a ping pong form, it shaves off possibility like a laser from a diamond, the whole point of being is that it can never correspond to itself. Only 0 corresponds to itself. Not infinity, not 1, not x, not A, not "this" or "here", ever.
A=A is an illusion to keep us from that truth; but Art endures truth and simply trumps it, shows it to be impotent vs truth and untruth in in passionate entanglement.

Being gives off truth and this gift becomes its horizon. Beyond the horizon are the stars, which give off facts, not truths. Truth is the pure white light, fact is the whole spectrum. Truth may be supreme, but it always dies. Like Odin.

Odin is Truth.
word is bond
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:49 pm

Lol.

Just now, just this moment, was the first time I heard some real Greek shit and didn't envy-no-want it.

Good for Greece! And thank you for the philosophy!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:56 pm

I am of the fzzuture now, but still... no present...

Saturn as a maid rather than a the thing is equally boring, more taunting and just fucking annoying.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:57 pm

This shit ass motherfucker world.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 1:59 pm

(Be cool dog! Be fucking cool!)

Ahem. So. What's next on the agenda?
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:13 pm

And by the way, fuck Egypt, and the Sphinxes, and the pyramids.

Give me Sumeria and their arcane temples to the Sun.

When Sumeria reached the Sea, everything was born. Specially when they met the expelled ones from Egypt.

Egypt just resisted until it crumbled and then became the refuge for the malcontent.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:22 pm

Sumeria is cool but too easy going to produce any art worth taking home.

Art as the West understands it is Apollonian, and through that hardest of all lenses the Dionysian is born.

Dionysos of Sumer was just a hairy monster that none of us would find appealing.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Your opinion is of no concern to the West.
But your hateful contempt of the world, is.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:27 pm

Then they shoulda sent a motherfucker with some balls to get shit done with me.

I coulda been a shooting star for the West, enbringing joy to its children.

But they couldn't come up with one single motherfucker.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:28 pm

You cannot have one D without the other. Sorry Apollo!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:33 pm

Also, I am convinced I know the West much better than you do, and I am far better at dealing with its weakness, at loving it good times or bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:41 pm

"Then they shoulda sent a motherfucker with some balls to get shit done with me."

To compensate for your own lack of them?

Haha.

Fuck you dork.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:42 pm

Yeah whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 2:45 pm

No not whatever.

But also not like you want it.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 4:24 pm

I meant to say, I can make myself annoying and irrelevant too.
Its a modern skill.

 

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PostSubject: Re: Jaded   Jaded Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2018 4:25 pm

But all the while Im chiseling pillars and not because it stands so strong but because I love the marble and want to show what I love about it. That ends up standing strong, my valuing. Truth is the bees that make the wax which I use to carve the subtleties of the curve.

 

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