About the other place

The horoscope of the site suggests such a duality – a Mars-Pluto conjunction, which suggests much the force and ‘illegality’ which Gobbo is protesting, as well as the reality of the will to power which I am forever investigating – is tied to a conjunction of Saturn and Venus, which immediately evokes the idea of the suppression of values and valuing capacity. Perhaps more accurately it restricts the valuing capacity to the purely Saturnian, austere, ‘bitter’.

Perhaps what must become evident first on that platform is its nihilism. Capables post on Kitaro can not even be properly read there as it could be here. The question is whether this clinical environment can be used to some kind of advantage. At this point no one wants to come within a hundred yards of the site – it is quarantined.

What can bring, what can mean a world, a natural order?



" This world-order, the same of all, no god nor man did create, but it ever was and is and will be: everliving fire, kindling in measures and being quenched in measures. "

" We must recognize that war is common and strife is justice, and all things happen according to strife and necessity. "

" War is the father of all and king of all, who manifested some as gods and some as men, who made some slaves and some freemen. "

would atheists happen to be governed by saturn and venus or the opposite?

I don't know if that's a question that can be answered, but religion is tied to Jupiter and Neptune, and both these planets make harmonic aspects with the Venus/Saturn block... so for the sake of argument I'd say the atheist is more tied to the Pluto/Mars block. Or rather, less to the Venus/Saturn one.

well i tripped balls last night... and part of that trip was seeing that it happens to be atheists that are in control of the powers that be at the moment... as such it would make since to me that after such a realization would come a sign that there will be a growth of the opposite...

There will certainly be a growth of religious feelings the coming decade if I look at Neptune. But this also means an increased susceptibility, a tendency to believe stories if they sound good, if they make one feel exalted.