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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Feb 07, 2018 7:01 am

I am so fucking done with these deathwhores. Fuck them all.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Feb 07, 2018 7:05 am

"All the fake news cameras in the back... that's the good thing about doing this live, they can't cut you... what happened to those four sentences they cut out, where are those four sentences?"


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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeSun Feb 18, 2018 4:09 pm

Trump is too smart to fall for the fake news FBI and their “report” that 13 or whatever number of Russians tried to sow discord in the American political process. He is just playing games now. Because he thinks it works to his advantage.

I advise caution to Trump: the fake news FBI and deep state know what they are doing. This fake news against Russia is designed to do a few things, to return credibility to the deep state, to distract from FBI corruption and failures (school shooting), and to bring Trump fans back into the mainstream fold. Also to distract from the 2 year slog of fake Russia news. If the Trumpians fall for it then they will be convinced to give the fake news Russia narrative nonsense a free pass.

Trump, don’t let them get away with it.

Why would Russia want to destabilize the US? We aren’t in a Cold War anymore, Russia is not communist. The US as its people and as a free rational state is about the best ally Russia has against the tyrannical globalists who are trying to destroy both Russia and the US.

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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeSun Mar 11, 2018 7:24 pm

Trump better not sign any gun control into law. He better be playing 1000D chess right now. And even if he is, the endgame better be more than simply failure to get a gun control bill passed in congress, the endgame must be something more like a public reaffirmation of the fundamental importance of not violating the second amendment.

Because I swear if he fucking does this shit, not only will he not get my vote but he will lose millions of other votes too. Then it won’t even matter if he wins re-election or not because his base will be decimated, and along with it any mandate to govern.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeSun Mar 11, 2018 7:29 pm

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Trump better not sign any gun control into law. He better be playing 1000D chess right now. And even if he is, the endgame better be more than simply failure to get a gun control bill passed in congress, the endgame must be something more like a public reaffirmation of the fundamental importance of not violating the second amendment.

Because I swear if he fucking does this shit, not only will he not get my vote but he will lose millions of other votes too. Then it won’t even matter if he wins re-election or not because his base will be decimated, and along with it any mandate to govern.


He already has one serious strike against him as far as I am concerned: he allowed ISPs to sell user's internet data. So now not only is it like UPS legally opening up every package you ship and recording what is inside, but then UPS gets to sell that information to whomever they want.

Total violation of the 4th Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." There is absolutely no reason why ISPs need to open the packets of data they ship for us from point A to point B, and there needs to be a new law or Constitutional amendment prohibiting that. Trump not only did not advocate any such thing, he allowed that private information to be violated with "unreasonable search" and then able to be sold for who the hell knows what reason.

He has made a few small mistakes, but this was the big one. Now, if he actually is serious about this gun control bullshit, I am absolutely done with him.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 2:17 am

Better not mess with Americans and their guns, Trump. This is a fundamental right and we take it seriously.

We are not cattle.

Back the fuck off this issue or you will not get re-elected.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 9:28 am

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Better not mess with Americans and their guns, Trump. This is a fundamental right and we take it seriously.

We are not cattle.

Back the fuck off this issue or you will not get re-elected.

Not only will he not get re elected if he does, America may well descend into chaos alike civil war to protect its only means to protect itself from government. Or at least I would expect nothing less.

If the US gives up the 2nd Amendment it becomes like any other western state, a cattle house, as you say.

It is perfectly obvious that most of these mass shootings occur only to put gun control on the agenda. 
There is of course a worry that some sickly liberal combo a la Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders will be elected, the result ot which is completely non-transparent, the changes would be too big and dangerous. But if Trump, and the US in general, doesn't do what you say, I don't really see a way to avoid the collapse of order.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 9:39 am

For the past two centuries America has proven that man is able to walk erect, without the help of a nanny.
The idea that the government must have a monopoly on violence to secure civilization is of course perfectly identical to the idea that mankind is merely a kind of slave, or beast. 

If the US concedes that mankind is indeed what its most horrible exponents have enjoyed making it into, then there is nothing to tie mankind together, all nations will splinter, and there will be perfect disorder on the planet for I imagine some thousands of years.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States is in fact the basic standard of humanity. 
The only thing that commands respect in nature is the capacity for violence, and the only form of respect in nature is to have that capacity but also the will to keep arms sheathed. 
This is civilization itself. There is nothing else about it. 

Without an armed populace there can be no honourable civilization. Where individuals are forced to relinquish their valuing immediacy, which relies on their power to act directly in the face of existential threats and to function as agents of civilization rather than merely as consumers of it, wat is left is a handful of tyrants kicking around a ball of slave-goo as in Middle Eastern countries, or a situation where the only armed parties, government and criminals, form a quite formal pact to exclude the citizenry from power and profit off them by keeping the means of production in the supra-national realm of mass-scheming that precedes all postcolonial politics.

Humanity can still come to some sort of life, in a way, but culturally it is clear - only societies with armed citizenry produce narrative art to speak of. 20th Century Hollywood is about a people owning its guns. Stories of human accountability, morals. Morals without leverage are slave-morals. Sad and boring cultures of fated obedience. Still waters breeding pestilence.

Removing the right to bear arms in the US would be like removing the tensions between the parts of an atom, meaning you get a nuclear meltdown.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 5:57 pm

Precisely.

I’m deeply offended that other nations have not enshrined these same rights as the Bill of Rights affords. I would never live anywhere that such fundamental freedoms are not recognized at the level of pre-governmental rights of man.

One possibility I see is that America will dissolve, but like old Rome it will seed itself throughout the world in doing so, and as you say in another couple thousand years civilization will again be possible. I only hope it doesn’t take such a long time, but eh, no other nation has adopted these fundamental human freedoms as Given Rights, so I’m not optimistic.

Earthy Americans kick ass. Not sure what the other 93% of humanity is up to but I really don’t give a fuck.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 5:59 pm

Nietzsche writes in Anti-Education about his times with university friends shooting guns in the wilderness for sport and for fun. Fuck what the hell happened to German States... a unified Germany post-Prussian Empire is a joke beyond all joking.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 7:58 pm

I was thinking yesterday that it wouldn't be completely irrational to make some form of course mandatory for buying a weapon, getting some sort of licence - just like a drivers license makes sense even though a horse carriage licence didn't. No psychological tests, but just a basic understanding of the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. So what kind of test would be sensible? What kind of "traffic rules" apply here? Well, I figured first, the Constitution. Force someone to learn the Constitution by heart before allowing them to own firearms. But thats very tough, and contains a lot of stuff no ordinary citizen needs to know - so I thought perhaps the Declaration of Independence is actually a better idea for this sort of thing. The point here is to do something to make it clear that weapons aren't toys or consumer materials, but a sacred right that comes with responsibility. 

One advantage here is that people that are truly disinclined to take their nation and fellow man seriously will be impeded - and another is that guns will become more sacred things, and rather than violence, what is inspired by these old texts is vigilance. 

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After all the Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms for a specific reason. If that reason isn't known and heeded, the right loses its symmetry with the other rights. 
Of course someone would argue that memorizing a piece of text isn't going to have an effect - but that would be a moron. There is nothing more formative and cultivating, disciplining and binding than the collective knowledge of a foundational text.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeTue Mar 13, 2018 8:28 pm

Power must reside in the People, that is the entire idea of culture. Government serves the people, not the other way around.

I don’t need to memorize the Constitution to derive my right to freedom of speech. Same for my right to self defense. The better armed the people the less likely tyranny. And yeah some idiots will get guns, so what. That is reality.

There is a philosophical reason America is awesome. I won’t accept any a priori restrictions to basic human freedoms. But obviously more people should grasp the Constitution. I agree on that.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 7:33 am

I just realize that if people don't care to have a fucking clue about the power invested in them, about the setup, about the creation of their freedom, then fuck them, I dont care about them and they can be chained up and tossed into a dungeon for all I care.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 8:11 am

Thats a bit harsh, but I think if Americans don't know the Constitution and Declaration, then they aren't able to pass along their freedoms to the next generation, nor able to be agents of that freedom.

American freedom is an invention, not a basic natural right, as such rights don't exist.

The People is only discernible from terrorist babymurdering goo if they are being shaped according to some higher values. Primitive societies do not have rights. Rights are rooted in complex philosophical constructions. From such complexities, The People arose, and by relinquishing such complexities, The People will unquestionably find its end.



It is not my favourite thing to do to condition freedoms, but I can see that this situation is going to deteriorate indefinitely (having to arm teachers is insanity, a complete failure of the state to do its marginal job, I would never show up in school if my teacher was armed, fuck that, they're abusive enough with their power as it is and usually extremely unstable people, least of all I would feel protected) if no one points to the root of the issue, which is the reason for the right to own guns, which is to protect oneself from ones government and for specific reasons.

If people are too dim to want to have comprehension of this, too prideless for it, then they are nothing to me.



No one else is able to bridge the two sides at all, no one heer has been, I know im the only one who gets to the root of such issues, I look beyond rights, beyond People, to philosophical creation, which is the ground and justification of all rights and all People.

Without philosophy, people are less than animals.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 8:29 am

So to be clear, if there is going to be any conditioning of the 2nd Amendment, it will be a conditioning to its purpose, which is the guarantee of the American nation against its government. Without the Constitution and Declaration there is no USA.

A lot of countries have heavily armed populations. But only in the US does that have any cultivating effect. That is because of the character of the 2nd amendment, it being part of a philosophical proposition.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 8:34 am

Yes we must focus on the reasons for the right to gun ownership. But I do not want to limit that right same as I don’t want to limit free speech and press. Some idiots will use free speech and press badly, that doesn’t mean I’m going to curtail the right for everyone; same with gun rights in my view. Due to the danger of guns I would offer gun safety classes for free with every gun purchase, that could easily be paid for, just as we should offer classes about the reasons for these rights and the history and importance. Schools should also teach all those, including how to handle a firearm safely. Everyone should at least know the basics.

I don’t care if a person with conceal and carry brings their gun to their work to protect those around them, in fact I feel better if that happens. In schools you have hundreds of children just sitting there in a “gun free zone”, perfect targets. Having no adults around who are able if needed to defend those kids is madness to me. No teacher should be forced to be armed but if a teacher has a gun already and wants to carry it concealed just in case, I see no reason why not. There are crazy teachers and then can use a knife or chair or just their fists to hurt and kill kids already, I see nothing so different with guns. Just because someone has a temper or is somewhat mentally unstable doesn’t mean they are going to start murdering people. In fact the elevation of consequences for using guns to harm others is enough of a deterrent right there.

I think guns force added necessity of self responsibility and self control.

And it is a crime to use a gun or anything else to harm someone. I don’t believe in criminalizing people for crimes done by others. Right to own a gun is basic and should not be infringed. No waiting periods, no mandatory gun safety classes (but offer these and encourage them definitely), no gun free zones. This would elevate the necessity of responsibility and self control tremendously. If someone is so much of an irresponsible idiot as to to get a gun and not know how to use it then one of several things will occur: either they will draw so much criticism from people around them that they are made to take a safety class out of social pressure, or they will decide to take one on their own, or they will use their gun irresponsibly and go to prison if they harm someone with it. I’m fine with all of that, it’s how it should be. Responsibility will tier upward tremendously if this is how we looked at the issue.

I also think schools should have at least one security officer, just a dude to patrol around outside and be a presence. Fire one shit teacher or administrator in every school to pay for it, easy and done.
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PostSubject: Re: Trump World   Trump World - Page 10 Icon_minitimeWed Mar 14, 2018 8:41 am

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Yes we must focus on the reasons for the right to gun ownership. But I do not want to limit that right same as I don’t want to limit free speech and press. Some idiots will use free speech and press badly, that doesn’t mean I’m going to curtail the right for everyone; same with gun rights in my view. Due to the danger of guns I would offer gun safety classes for free with every gun purchase, that could easily be paid for, just as we should offer classes about the reasons for these rights and the history and importance. Schools should also teach all those, including how to handle a firearm safely. Everyone should at least know the basics.

Thats already more than I dared to propose. Yes.

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I don’t care if a person with conceal and carry brings their gun to their work to protect those around them, in fact I feel better if that happens. In schools you have hundreds of children just sitting there in a “gun free zone”, perfect targets. Having no adults around who are able if needed to defend those kids is madness to me. No teacher should be forced to be armed but if a teacher has a gun already and wants to carry it concealed just in case, I see no reason why not. There are crazy teachers and then can use a knife or chair or just their fists to hurt and kill kids already, I see nothing so different with guns. Just because someone has a temper or is somewhat mentally unstable doesn’t mean they are going to start murdering people. In fact the elevation of consequences for using guns to harm others is enough of a deterrent right there.

I think guns force added necessity of self responsibility and self control.

Id agree to all this. My issue with the teachers is that they should not be forced to carry guns. Most teachers will not be fit for this. It will become an added liability.

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And it is a crime to use a gun or anything else to harm someone. I don’t believe in criminalizing people for crimes done by others. Right to own a gun is basic and should not be infringed. No waiting periods, no mandatory gun safety classes (but offer these and encourage them definitely), no gun free zones. This would elevate the necessity of responsibility and self control tremendously. If someone is so much of an irresponsible idiot as to to get a gun and not know how to use it then one of several things will occur: either they will draw so much criticism from people around them that they are made to take a safety class out of social pressure, or they will decide to take one on their own, or they will use their gun irresponsibly and go to prison if they harm someone with it. I’m fine with all of that, it’s how it should be. Responsibility will tier upward tremendously if this is how we looked at the issue.

I also think schools should have at least one security officer, just a dude to patrol around outside and be a presence. Fire one shit teacher or administrator in every school to pay for it, easy and done.

Yes, that is definitely necessary. The problem is that you have these pieces of shit cowards or liars like in the most recent case, that guy that just wouldn't put himself in harms way.
Then again, it was so evidently a government op that I can sort of see why that guy didn't think he could change the outcome. Still, you need some really brave and noble people to be guards. Id say maybe they need rigorous training in what it means to be an American.
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In this recent case I think the officers were told it was a drill and to wait outside. There is a teacher interviewed who said they were told that morning there would be a “red” drill and when he heard shooting later he thought it was the drill. These false flags usually have a drill scheduled for the same day, that’s part of how they work.

I think those police officers were ordered to stand down and now for some reason can’t risk saying this, or are being denied media access, maybe being threatened. I don’t believe that average police would arrive on scene of an active shooter and just sit around not doing anything, that makes less sense than that they were ordered to or following a drill protocol.
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That would make more sense.



On another note, regarding the religious questions, I don't want to go back to ILP now, maybe later, but Im watching a few videos of some guy you tubing in this town, I may have sent you one some months ago. He is Turkish and a ice guy but now he has been focussing on his religion.

Just browse through this video, watch a few short bits, no need to understand (nothing is being said) but only to see and hear the mood and spirit of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmoFSPd_bzk

This is what this country has become, what France, Belgium, Germany and England have become too. There is only one religion of the people, this is Islam, and its moods and codes govern some deep layers of society.
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And in England it is ten times worse.
I think that country may be truly lost.


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I had a realization today.

Islam will only reform and moderate itself by consuming the West.

Rome consumed Greece, Christianity consumed Rome, and then capitalism/western modernity consumed Christianity. Now, Islam will consume capitalism/western modernity, continuing the cycle.

But when something consumes something else like this it changes, incorporates what was eaten. Leftism is therefore just a transition phase, because Muslims are not at all signed to leftist ideology.

But rationality, capitalism, freedom, science, even philosophy, these are what the west will infused into Islam as it consumes the West. At least that is my hope, considering that this process is probably inevitable. In any case Islam is exploding in growth even without western capitulation to it, while Christianity is declining. Now Islam is locked in a difficult struggle between the old and the new, a daemonic tension.
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That is exactly what I was trying to push for with this.



Now I am not so sure anymore that it can absorb these virtues. Wherever it takes hold, these virtues immediately vanish without a trace. It is as if they never existed and the notion of them is met with incredulous scorn. Now I think Islam is only the premonition of events that will deal with the sort of insolence in humans that allows them to follow paths of less resistance than nature. I think that "judgment day" is simply a metaphor built into these religions for the consequence of blind belief in ones own righteousness and others evil, that it is an excess-based accumulated resistance that has been postponed by religious faith and sacrifice of free thinking people.

I guess what I'm saying is that I think that the religion is a bubble. A lot of people will get into it and they will lose everything, their lives and their souls.
Christianity is a remnant of an ancient Egyptian magic, it can be revived in a much more potent form than what has hitherto existed. Islam is no match for it. It is as Vikings shows. Islam puts up a good show but it lacks all profundity, whereas Christianity has something deeply real to it precisely because it is about the ultimate resistance suffered and enacted by Jesus.

And as you may know Islam holds that Jesus was replaced with Judas-with-Jesus-face at the crucifixion, and Jesus was lifted painlessly up into heaven. God wouldn't hurt his people! Otherwise, why would they believe! It is only weakness. Not even opium, just periodic sacrifice of integrity for some temporal warmth, leaving young shells of former humans. Pure entropy thus - and entropy can't survive as a master. Rome has already made it clear that it won't suffer Islam, it has begun to kill wantonly and the migrants are running to Germany, which will soon be figuring out that it has miscalculated, again.
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Holy fuck, that is fascinating analysis. I will think on this.
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