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PostSubject: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeMon Apr 03, 2017 11:26 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeWed Apr 05, 2017 6:15 pm

A passing note: In the news yesterday there was an article stating that Tesla's net worth is now greater than is Ford's.

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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeWed Apr 05, 2017 11:03 pm

Yes, this hasn't escaped me.  It's the reason I mention the risks.
I can't say how far they'll manage to push it, but it reduces the value of the automobile as a tool for greater self-determination to below zero, as all these apparatuses can be overtaken by any hacker, let alone the government, so eventually the value of real cars will go up, even if that isn't measured in market capitalization.



Here's a more positive note on technology.


(on a more positive note on self driving cars: ultimately we will have vehicles with digital orientation and mechanical override. A hybrid is inevitable, where man controls machines ability to control. A car must have an 'off' button (or rather lever) for the circuitry that reduces the it to a purely mechanical machine. A car can digitally become closer to being an active self-valuing, but then it is no longer at the service of the owner. It is independent, in that it can be overtaken by anyone. Your car becomes your public transportation. Convenient for many women. But to ask of man that he moves into the paradigm entirely is the same as asking him to give up physical musical instruments for synthesizers. The market will grow, but not overtake its origin)
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeWed Apr 05, 2017 11:27 pm

Self-driving cars is a really stupid idea, unless one wishes to increase one's slavery and dependency quotient, in which case I'm sure it seems like a great idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeWed Apr 05, 2017 11:30 pm

Also the name is misleading, let's call them "government computer-controlled, remote takeover vehicles" or GCCRTV's. Not very catchy I'll admit.

I'm open to ideas.
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Interesting, I never knew that about AMD.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeThu Apr 06, 2017 6:23 am

Thrasymachus wrote:
Self-driving cars is a really stupid idea, unless one wishes to increase one's slavery and dependency quotient, in which case I'm sure it seems like a great idea.

I would never buy a self-driving car. I don't even like back-seat drivers.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeThu Apr 06, 2017 11:43 am

I think we all agree that self driving cars are for inferior beings. Not really for beings at all.
I'll be forced to consider the vehicle the entity, and the human the baggage, luggage, expendable crap.

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Fixed Cross wrote:
I think we all agree that self driving cars are for inferior beings. Not really for beings at all.
I'll be forced to consider the vehicle the entity, and the human the baggage, luggage, expendable crap.


Haha yes precisely.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeThu Apr 06, 2017 12:25 pm

Yeah, Im actually goingto tell people that to their faces.
I look forward to it.

Here's a bit of a better edit of the last episode. Shorter and with a bit less color correction.

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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 7:54 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
I think we all agree that self driving cars are for inferior beings. Not really for beings at all.
I'll be forced to consider the vehicle the entity, and the human the baggage, luggage, expendable crap.


Yeah, I would have to agree. But having no active part in the action allows you to take no responsibility for anything that happens. Blame your faults on the car.

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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 8:41 am

Accurate. Theyve been working to give robots and selfdriving cars legal accountability.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 8:48 am

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Accurate. Theyve been working to give robots and selfdriving cars legal accountability.

I actually did see an article regarding that. The car was legally at fault. More work for lawyers.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 10:39 am

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Accurate. Theyve been working to give robots and selfdriving cars legal accountability.

I actually did see an article regarding that.  The car was legally at fault.  More work for lawyers.

It also becomes remarkably easy to kill people with impunity.
I wonder if guns will also be given legal accountability.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:

It also becomes remarkably easy to kill people with impunity.

That is such a weird but valid thought. "I didn't kill him, the car did."

I wonder if guns will also be given legal accountability.

There have been attempts at this. But it has always ended up with "the gun didn't kill, the person who squeezed the trigger did."

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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeFri Apr 07, 2017 6:53 pm

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It also becomes remarkably easy to kill people with impunity.

That is such a weird but valid thought.  "I didn't kill him, the car did."


The car will then have to pay a fine, or work his time in prison.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeSat Apr 08, 2017 2:41 am

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It also becomes remarkably easy to kill people with impunity.

That is such a weird but valid thought.  "I didn't kill him, the car did."


The car will then have to pay a fine, or work his time in prison.

Funny. But yes, it could get really weird.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeSat Apr 08, 2017 8:38 am

It is simply insane. Having remote takeover vehicles (RTVs) that you sit in without actually driving... this isn't analogous to airplanes, which are somewhat automatic but also have human and very well trained pilots, because airplanes aren't skirting around by the thousands within inches of each other. And yes, political assassinations will become effortless with RTVs.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeSat Apr 08, 2017 9:35 am

Styx astutely observed that any hacker could just take over a whole street of cars at any time.
These European truck assaults also lend themselves for turrrusts to fantasize of remote controlling these Volvo freight trucks that have automatic driving.
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PostSubject: Re: Value on the Move   Value on the Move Icon_minitimeSat Apr 08, 2017 9:42 am

Fixed Cross wrote:
Styx astutely observed that any hacker could just take over a whole street of cars at any time.
These European truck assaults also lend themselves for turrrusts to fantasize of remote controlling these Volvo freight trucks that have automatic driving.

Yes, that will be a problem right off the bat. The hackers do it because they can.
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