The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law

Truth will triumph either way, it is just a matter of how far the attempt to circumvent it is stretched, and thus how much will be destroyed in the path towards it.

Truth is local.
Any attempts to organize the world as a whole are insane - there is no "the world", except indeed as a monster of energy.

There are realms.

The US is a portal-realm, a beginner-stage, but it is an advanced realm, an endgame as well. It is not much in between.

As a superior nation isolated on its own continent, the US can reign for thousands, and determine nature for millions of years. It is the first global hegemon, and if it plays its cards right (which means to stop bluffing (acting superior to ones position) against weaker enemies, who grow stronger and stronger, but simply "call it" before they catch up), then the world belongs to the US simply by its superior human self-valuing stronghold. Trump is the archetypical American. Americans are known to be blunt, bold, sexual, unapologetic, straightforward and effective. They are also known to be weak minded, cruel, self-ignorant, sanctimonious, backwards about the rest of the world, hypocritical and inhuman. All nations have strengths and weaknesses. Russia has been looking more human than the US for a decade now - electing Clinton will tilt the scales for good, as the US will have lost its bluff, shown a much weaker hand than we all figured it to have.

Electing Trump is simply cutting your losses.  They're big, but not bigger than your gains. Clinton would be turning all gains finally into loss - initiating the stage of global, fully unaccountable "Capital" (deadly force - lets drop the deeply receded semantic euphemism) - and thus, anarchy, and rise of totalitarian nations, predominantly China, which will not hesitate to start killing all muslims, taking some Pakistani missiles for granted, I reckon.

The US and France created its current form, and the British empire protected Islam for the longest time, but the Chinese and Indians perceive them as vermin. In China, a muslim uprising is shot down to the last man. No beheadings, you dont torture vermin. (these views arent my own)

Our culture has set off a lot of shit in Asia, and China aint taking kindly. If you look at what they are capable of doing to themselves, then really, just imagine what they would do if the west didnt stand in the way, to purify their continent of Abrahamistic and Alexandrine perversions of the true state of Being as they figured it out under the Yellow Emperor. The Russians will be all too glad to help them, as will the Indians.

This is fact: Chinese engineers and politicans speak of their project as 'ah, around in a thousand years, this will begin to produce its intended rendement.'

A Somali generals son who lived in a house we shared with the Zen painters zon, who taught me a part of what I know about Islam and related cultures, told me this prophecy: when the men with the narrow eyes in the east will grow stronger, the end of times is upon us.

I naturally approach this within the framework of the ontological status of perspective alone; the end of times for a certain Realm.

We best not stand in the way of that end too much, unless we want to be reincarnated  muslim girls... kek. But really, if valuing coherence could perpetuate in spin configurations alone, I could see it work quite like that. Value-consequence, 'karma', is pretty obvious always, if all systems are dropped - the greatest art to me is to think directly, to See True Relation.

What this requires is the absolute absence of neutrality - it requires a veritable self, to be valued into being. Which, since it is a fiction, I had to construct - and I am among fellow marblesmiths. We need a Pericles now with Athenian sophists around him but a Trump with a staffer who occasionally does a clever search online will do.

Trump is preferable even for this reason alone: he will listen to us, if it happens to be opportune for him.  All true leaders look directly to the ground. If I look at his daughters pure adoring and at the same time perfectly reality-grounded loyalty, I see a leader of some capacity.

And from the get-go it was ridiculous of the US media establishment to ridicule Trump for his a reality tv program -  at least he ran his own show! You need a president like that, who runs the show he's in charge of. Not one who just turns grey as the machine reaps his years in human blood.

I continued posting in another thread -
https://beforethelight.forumotion.com/t732-marx

To clarify this

" the end of times for a certain Realm.

We best not stand in the way of that end too much"

I continued:

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"Genocide of muslims is not implied here- just the fact that Socialism would long have absorbed Islam if it hadnt been for the West.

Parallel to my absolute rejection of Marxism as a valid enterprise-related theory, I have seen it also as the empirical resolution to Islam. Afghanistan is the example, a perfect hippy state until Mr Brzezinski decided to use it to kill the USSR."




and further


"All Russian leaders after Stalin have expressed themselves well about the American people. All they tried to defeat was the banking system. N one ever came closer to defeat Russia than Gorbachev, who of course was just a shadow of Stalin, a conscience. But the bizarre magic of the old land produced Yeltsin as an absolutely irreducible "Always Close Russian" -


this "Always Close Russian" is required on our Eurasian continent. It is the depth that is deep enough to be unfathomable, therefore fearsome to nations like India and China, which dont much give a shit about nukes, much more about the actual proximity of a magical adversary.

Magic just refers to the capacity to do what the other cant, by mechanisms that the other cant see.

The US media's magical mechanism is just pure low-ness; because people are in general decent and quite honest, it is literally impossible for the large majority to imagine the degree of deceit that defines their media - no man ever fully believed a newspaper at face value, but hardly any man would have suspected a paper like the New York Times to be entirely used to spread perfect lies for perfectly vile political ends.

Constitutional Law
Mathematics
Semantic Structure
Game Theory (entities aren't ontically closed off from each other, as more of them take part, identification dynamics change underneath the frozen episteme)
Subatomic Coherency (replacing Quantum Physics and String Theory)
Macro-Probabilistic Mapping  (combining Relativity with Quantum Mechanics)
"Sciences of Sanity" (integrating all western psychological theory, before exploring the East from a solid Occidental vantage point )
Supranational Politics (value ontology of nations and peoples; a lot of the Earths poor or unfortunately mineral-rich regions are still entirely unpolitical, living in arbitrary borders under arbitrary regimes, disconnected from large flocks of their own who live across these arbitrary borders)

etc etc


what I can not see myself doing is intervene in penal law. It's the area I have absolutely no philosophic idea about except the pure  evolutionary logic of being driven to 'punish' someone who causes harm - I have the idea that the standards can not be set here, that this is where excess must find a very clean and direct path, that should not be absorbed for to long by the system. I think the system is never dead - the institution is always as Pezer says up close and personal - and thus that it actually suffers of the misdeeds it is asked to process, and can come up fairly quickly with appropriate punishments if only wrong/right are set in stone, and degree all due to context.

Capable and I used to disagree penal law, and again it is not my strength at all, the best I can do is rationalize my will to leave it locally whereas I know full well that this would lead to lynchings. So, in effect, I am at loss - because once a self-valuing is violated and the state interprets this as a violation of it, of its laws, then both the perpetrator and the victim are absorbed in a 'sinful state' - which then through the theory of law, philosophy, attempts to attone for itself.

There is something to be said for the Iranian model, which is not strictly Islamic, but simply an eye for an eye, when it comes to violent crimes - they allow the victim or the victims kin to execute the payback. I know that it sounds barbaric, but it will at least be infinitely more sensible than what the US has now, where a good part of its most vital population has been legally entrapped at the age of 18-22 into a petty drug deal to be imprisoned simply so the owners of these prisons can take their daily couple of hundred taxdollars for each inmate... capitalism is worse than religion in the illusions it is able to spin - that is precisely its power, probably. And why it now is running seemingly inevitably into an abyss of impossible necessary return. But since it is all a figment of the imagination the worthy of all money (none of it can be eaten or used as a tool, other than a coin as a screwdriver) it will be possible for to whomever the debts are outstanding to just dissolve the whole problem. the economy itself cant really crash, it can just happen that too much misplaced money gets between the wheels and it slows down for a bit, which in turn causes poverty and that may case violence, which in turn has some power to hinder production - but the original cause is simply an idea, which can be let go off quite easily - as I see it, which may be wrong - it's only an idea that occurred just now.

Okay, so I started to scatter some seeds of political self-valuing among The People of ILP. Im going to water this and see if it takes root. Here is my OP - a zanyness is always required, - or as Parodites would never say: a romantic irony to ward off cynicism and have style become reality-generative meme - let the stars follow their course and the gods scatter along its path, pouring the water of life as the Hades conquers the house of our birth.

trash:

These elections are the first ones of the people. No matter who wins, the people will have elected now. All have been able to see the truth and fraud will be difficult to pull off. Whatever happens is the will of the people. Now we begin to see what that actually means.

the essential question of Nietzsche is what the truth is worth.

The people of America will now decide that among themselves. They will also bear the first consequences, but the results will shape the will to power more than any decision so far since Caesar passed his power along to Octavian.

Please keep in mind that "We the People", at the time of writing, was referring to "landed white men". Little has changed.

Fixed Cross wrote:

the essential question of Nietzsche is what the truth is worth.

The people of America will now decide that among themselves. They will also bear the first consequences, but the results will shape the will to power more than any decision so far since Caesar passed his power along to Octavian.

Yes, this upcoming election is a very important one. Sad that the Republicans could do no better than Trump. But then, Trump may be what my country needs right now.

Truth is the most important asset a person has. I believe Nietzsche tried to express this in his own way.

I also believe that the "will to power" is rooted in the individual's desire to live one's own life the way (s)he sees fit (without violating the same right of others).

We Americans will soon be making a choice. Continue on the same path (most people don't like and can't handle change) or start walking a different path.

I believe n an artist class, emerging.

It may sound strange and petty, but I have grown up with certain artists, many of whom were black, and Ive seen a rise in clean power.

The men and women took for slaves from the first continent were obviously the strongest and most beautiful ones of the ones who did not fight to the death - many of them would have been nobles. As Ive seen some black people arent as capable of pure savagery as other races, even in violence they are somehow kingly, which makes them scary. Also the black woman carries all the colors in her genes, as the only one of our species. So they are superior biologically in important ways; they can endure. And this was proven.

Nietzsche says make conditions harder so as for people to become hard, and learn to know themselves, and select themselves -
he spoke of ideally, danger in the streets and danger in the heart.
The American black man is a man so powerful that he was able to throw off the slave shackles and take over the nation with his spirit - Ive witnessed when Ive read the history of the united states and its central protagonist, the black man or 'african american' who came purely out of merit, (value to others) and not out of self-interest- the spirit of music born of tragedy?

As Public Enemy titled their album, the first cd I owned "It takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back."
I am insulted by Black Lives Matter - you dont say that about the dominant race of the Earth. Especially you dont give cops that shoot them the honor of thinking there are those who think that these lives do not matter.

Clinton is a master in making victims out of protagonists - she is a lawyer after all.

To have a black president, and at the same time an organization called black lives matter - this is pure schizophrenia, far more pure than any individual could suffer it. It is pure hell, for anyone who takes it seriously.

But back to the serious people; I have seen from the first ground roots East and West, the political and the capitalistic, a culture grow that had its rising and slain heroes, and then brought forth ..wait for it... Kanye West.

The most hated black man alive.
He is a Genius. He and Jay Z and their wives now rule symbolically, which is directly, over our planets youth.

We should not be afraid, let alone ashamed, to acknowledge this reality.

This guy isnt.

Just letting you know that I have read the post, that I'm basically in agreement with what you said but have nothing to add at the moment.

Maybe I should add that all my commentary on the US is extremely ironic - all the facts I state are true to my knowledge but the paradigm I sketch is naturally very far from an American psyche.

BUT THAT IS THE POINT.

The US has imposed itself on the world through the selective values that the world is now holding back up to it. It is not hamburger culture, it has no claim to food in such a dramatic way - it is violent sanctimoniousness. The error Freud spoke of, that he feared could bring a great catastrophe upon mankind.

Trump is the least sanctimonious man ever to run for president, and yet the first candidate of which the Americans are ashamed. He is the first one who behaves in a way that is clearly the same as the behavior the US has been selling as cool, and as how it's done. But apparently Americans dont actually believe in what theyve been selling us.

So we I am giving back now some impressions - it is always insulting if ones country is defined by a foreigner, especially one that has some stake in it - I am aware of the ugliness of mistakes precisely if they are rare but structural. But so here it goes.

America is a stupid country, it has had stupid sanctimonious barbarians as leaders. Leaders who had no clue as to who they were leading... and who were being led by a large oligarchy of capitalistic interests that were the true benefactors of our age. Your presidents have been arbitrary men, puppets of a clunky evolution that brought about a regime of douchebags utterly unnecessary under the umbrella of free value exchange. Clinton is sort of the decision that douchebaggery now needs to be the iron rule of the planet. It wont co 'click' like the previous times.

Someone actually managed to tell me that it was sort of rational for the NATO to be mobilizing in Ukraine because Russia is. People think that. I realize that most Americans must have no clue that Ukraine borders on Russia. Ugly ugly ugly. And as the world is self-valuing, it truly will very likely come to an end when this motivation comes to be the dominant one.

So fuck it. Im posting some shreds of your constitution with Betty Boop. Pop culture is the highest pronunciation of the US in any case - it is the lightness that did not exist before.

This lightness has gone to its head...


Philosophers are of course not tied to their national ethos and worth, even though they may determine it.

Sisyphus, are you American? If so from which state?

It would be nice if we dont go to war, I still have much to see - as do we all.

Of course there is the Third Possibility we need to be talking about - or not - probably not -
what the establishment will do if Trump wins.

You have to offer them jobs. Maybe you can give them Australia.


Now this is how a Amsterdam kid saw your country in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0TcSrt8os


(to 'understand' ... lol... one must first see part 2, the first part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mgZLTzuVxw )

Fixed Cross wrote:

Sisyphus, are you American? If so from which state?

It would be nice if we dont go to war, I still have much to see - as do we all.

Yes, I am an American. A proud one. I served twenty years in the Army.

I was born/raised in northern Ohio. Retired from the Army to Florida where I still live.

My philosophy while in the Army was to preserve the peace, not to make war.

As the warrior's code states: I will help you if I can; I will kill you if I must.

My country is involved way too much in the affairs of other countries. The new president of the Philippines is the only person recently who has had the balls to talk back to dictates from America when after Obama attempted to counsel him on how to rule his country the newly elected president told Obama to go to hell. I fell he was right and just in doing so.

Fixed Cross wrote:

Of course there is the Third Possibility we need to be talking about - or not - probably not -
what the establishment will do if Trump wins.

You have to offer them jobs. Maybe you can give them Australia.  


Now this is how a Amsterdam kid saw your country in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0TcSrt8os


(to 'understand' ... lol... one must first see part 2, the first part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mgZLTzuVxw )

Yeah, a lot of negative things can be said about America and most of them are likely justified.

However, there are still people who come here on visitor's or education visa and after their visa expires they just stay here in the USA. And there are many who come here to find work and never go back home.

My nation still has great potential for millions of people but big industry, big banking, and my government keeps screwing up the "American Dream".

I have no idea where my country is headed but I don't like the indicators I have seen over the past 50 years.

Trump may be what America needs to get back on track. I don't know. I don't like the idea of Trump being president but that doesn't matter if it would bring positive changes.

Im honored that someone with all that experience find sense in my analyses.

It has always seemed me as well that Eisenhower was the best president of the post war era. I suppose this means that indeed for an imperial nation, generals can very well make good presidents.

De Gaulle was one of Frances best presidents and George Washington was of course a general.
Military men have the knowledge of necessity and sacrifice that no state can do without.

Can you imagine a military coup in the US? The thought never occurred to me before now.
It would require an absolute chaos among the Agencies.

Yes, military people have had to opportunity to view things from the outside and most try to stay out of politics.

Powell was a good General. Too bad he accepted that job with Bush.

McArthur was feared by the politicians and that's why he got fired.

I think a military coup in the US would be almost impossible. The various commands are too separated. Yes, it would require chaos at the top levels of government.

With a knot in my stomach I remember Powells face like I just saw it. As he presented the aerial pics of the supposed facilities, his soul broke.

I dont know how they coerced him but it may simply have been with dishonorable discharge due to some woman he saw or something.
It seems to be the way leaders are generally being discredited.

You can see my issue with puritanicalism - it doesnt mix well with militarism.

The Roman Mars was an absolute servant to the central state-goddes Venus.
No nation ever rose to power without gods except the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Maoist China.

We must discuss this - because we need to look at consequences, not ideals.

Go visit the Temple of Zeus in Athens (it is not on the Acropolis, but down amidst the dirty traffic), and tell me if you do not understand why I say that gods exist.
Fictions that cause cultures into being, whole sciences, these are existing things.  Even though I feel that Zeus is far more than a fiction, as purely a fiction he already is more real and tangible than most things.

The World is Will to Power, Zeus is an image of power that compels my psyche into ecstatic creative downpouring. Odin is a god that guides my path to beautiful girls. I live with gods since a while, since Ive discovered which ones are both relevant and real enough to me, their presence comes alive through valuing their attributes.

The psyche is more powerful than it strictly needs to be - this is the human problem. It is my experience that to hold on to a supreme but non absolute value, which is to say a great love, is in general the best way of getting things done in the long run. If a god serves such a purpose, then belief is justified ( granted that it does not get into the way of other values, such as science or common sense, that it does not restrict, but only discloses.

Hence - N's question about the value of truth.  
And since it can be questioned at all - if value does not take prevalence -
if value, furthermore is not Truth itself.

And what is a god if not a Value... the truth about truth is its value, which first of all is determined by its pertinence.  And value is per definition pertinent.


Because I dont accept any limits set by authority figures, a god who is totally indifferent to human affairs except when they produce supreme beauties or virtues like the Greeks had their Gods is a perfect catalyst of life, for a forcefully imaginative type like me. Zeus is not an authority, nor is lightning an authority, not that it knows anyway -  it does not even notice us.

I wonder if it is possible for you accept the gods existence to me, as I accept his non existence to you. Not that I care to convince, I just like to explicate - and I psychologically wonder about the thresholds that values put in the human mind.

Truth is great, but it has too many wings to fly.

I can't question beliefs no more than I can question faith or a person's religion.

Those are personal and I have no right to question them.

But I will, on occasion, point out reality to another if appropriate.

A story about the Buddha: it is said that a disciple asked Buddha if the gods answer a person's prayers. Buddha replied that there are no gods but if you pray to them they will answer you prayers.

I did read some Greek mythology during my mid-teens but that was so very long ago. Hardly any recall.

You might like the novel American Gods by Neil Gaiman, Fixed. It's not bad. Odin makes an regular appearance if I remember right.

I will look at it, thanks.


An ILP thread inspired me to a meme.

https://i.imgflip.com/1cps7u.jpg
and another

if theres somethng weird
and it dont look good



I believe he is pretty sharp, when he wants to be anyway.

It would be the first logical post war president. The first Jefferson type position from which to run. But now beyond a lot of inequality before the law. He's fortuitous, as an institution, Trump.

Welcome to reality.

Kentucky was the first state to call its valuing red.
In honor thereof



As far as what the fuck happened tonight in Pennsylvania... I have a pretty strong idea that it was Mike Pence who suddenly caught the hearts of many who wouldn't vote for Trump, but saw the evil of Clinton and especially Kaine. I bet millions made their choice this way. Of all the 4, Mike Pence is the one who is manifestly bona fide. A man who can eat apple pie with his hands and look tough and clean.

There is a deep silence now in the world. It is hard to catch a note.
the New York Times still has the header "Trump on the verge of stunning upset" that it has had for hours, even if its counter is already at 174. They just were unable to formulate the sentence.

The Guardian now acknowledges the nations victory, namely so:

"The United States elects its most dangerous leader yet"

We'll never know the extent of their hollow despair.

We've won. The world now belongs to the West.

Very nice.

I have to say, I haven't felt this calm and peaceful in a long time. Something happened so deep in the tectonics that it can't even be articulated in words. A certain pressure was finally lifted.