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PostSubject: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:55 am

Yeah Im backing this guy for 2020 and 2024 presidential campaigns. Probably beyond. He has a way to go.

I ve since I heard him first felt him the most profound musician of our age. Now he's become a political philosopher.

Excess, as Capable said. If Trump has shown anything it's that the unlikely is more likely than the slothfully expected. That is in general a law of capitalism, and perhaps of evolution.

Here's his philosophy, basically his philosophy is: truth is power for the oppressed. That was a bit too clear, so the pharma-gestapo took him. I guess it's on now, I hope so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC65KFtfp-A

Ive been saying it goddamn it, the black aristocracy that is building. I named West and Z with their spouses as original princely houses, patron-dons. Now they have a veritable feud, with Z fencing for the Caretwerkersguard and West for the west.... this might actually become something.

Of course Im supporting Trump for the full 8 years, but West needs to start running as soon as possible.

Am I joking? No, though I see clearly the way it is totally crazy, I  know West will "fix inner cities" - that is to say, he is a man that can inspire a national identity for inner city Americans, something Obama failed to do. he is erratic but deeply wise and intelligent beyond any entertainer surely.,
He can be elected once Trump has restored global hegemony and set in place a set of laws to perpetuate that hegemony.

Let's see how the man is going to move forward -- surely the intimidations are unbearable and Trump should put some special forces on his wifes security.... I think if he stands up for West he wins over a lot of the groups that now see him as the demon they were taught to see.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:54 am

If you listen to him, he isn't psychotic at all. He is calm and rational and expressing clear ideas. Same with if you watch him at the Sacremento concert. 

But we're supposed to believe he is "psychotic" and require some involuntarily hospitalization in a psych ward. Yeah right. He was clearly assaulted, they took away the rest of his tour, now he is improsoned and probably full of drugs and who the hell knows what else. 

Unbelievable. This is the power that Trump is channeling, this is what Kanye found too, and "they", the Hilary's types, the lying manipulating corporate globalist drones, are so afraid of it they will shut down Kanye like this just for saying Trump isn't that bad. 

Kanye said we were lied to about Hillary was going to win; true.
Kanye said we were lied to about how Trump said all these racist things; true.
Kanye said we are so divided people can't even support each other's right to like whatever candidate they like; true.
Kanye said radio keeps good new music out by repeating the same several songs forever; true.
Kanye said Jay Z has hit squads working for him; can't confirm that of course. 
Kanye said he was risking his life and career to tell us the truth; true.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:20 am

If you listen to his music, you can see a progression to where he is now at the point of actually breaking through the substance of modern mind-slave conformity, lies and death-culture that is imposed on black people and most youth today. He understands that rap used to be about power to the people, about freedom and self-determination as an individual and as a nation, whereas now it's all about keeping a status quo of dumbed down drug-high mass consumers whose only real fantasy is to break into this same system of oppression to get some cash for themselves and get their dick sucked. The fantasy-image is now one of simply hoping for the chances to sell out.

Just studying these recent albums and in their order, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Yeezus, and The Life of Pablo, Kanye is deconstructing the black and youth cultural mythos today which infects people's valuing and inserts new value-codes in place of their authentic drives and emotions. Emotions and drives center around values-assertations, which is pre-conscious for most people; modern hip hop, rap and music generslly could be said to be infecting this pre-conscious with a concentrated dose of consumer-drug-worship ideality and heavy fantasy-need-- Kanye over the course of those three albums I mentioned is exploring this, pushing it to its logical height, and so the listener can experience his own self-infections and thus gain critical objectivity over them, a kind of philosophical purview. His music is philosophy disguised as real satire disguised as fake satire and presented as pure will to power. This is true motherfucking art right here. 

The Life of Pablo is a culmination of sorts for this process; the myths are still there but have been so exposed and deconstructed that they are basically nothing more than disconnected isolated images and fragments, cast about in no order at all, for indeed there is no true underlying order to them at all. This album is the triumph of a mind that is displaying its trophy for all to see: the headless bodies of his enemies, the inner organs of how the enemy works, and the shining sword that was used to defeat them. The Life of Pablo is a picture of the battlefield, a cultural battlefield of ideas, affects, desires and values. Through the corpses and blood we can discern the faint stirring possibilities of something new, a kind of authenticity and revitalizing of the living human soul, but a revitalizing that is only possible after we have passed through hell itself, which hell is what we too have become, and Kanye reveals this. 

If they hadn't gotten to him, his next album would have been a testament to a pure philosophy of the life-depths, something that can finally afford to value and self-value openly an equal which makes culture-values out of its own pure strength-excess. Honesty is only ever an excess of strength, which must be earned by facing the inner demons of the heart. Or in this case, of Hollywood.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:35 am

In these albums he is also deconstructing the musical form of modern hip hop and rap, in addition to deconstructing its content. That is fucking cool. 

And I haven't lost hope for him, but I have a vague sense of what he is up against now. I'm almost afraid to see what he is going to be like when he emerges (if he emerges) from the "hospital". But we must absolutely hold out hope.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:47 am

"We all self-conscious. I'm just the first to admit it."


"My music isn’t just music — it’s medicine."


"I was never really good at anything except for the ability to learn."


"They say you can rap about anything except for Jesus, that means guns, sex, lies, video tapes, but if I talk about God my record won't get played. Huh?"



--Kanye West

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:29 pm

I agree with most of that though  think from day one that he started out independent of his moguls, basically when he decided that he could rap too and not just make beats, his lyrics have transcended the paradigm.



Seeing the aloofness and laughter in which Kanyes capture was received, its very disturbing to see fascism so far more alive in the US than it ever was in Germany. You dont even need to torture people for them to silently comply with the most atrocious derangement of humanity. Theyre completely gone. No longer a trace of a heart.



 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:27 pm

I agree, the quite literally mindless drug-high of youth "culture" today is beyond even anything we could reasonably be disgusted with... pathos of distance doesn't even meaningfully apply, one does not "feel oneself above" a clod of dirt, for example. 

But remember that this vast wasteland and flattening is also a field of potential, for it represents the realization of a kind of excess in its own right. This is why truth is so dangerous to the untruthful, that they will resist it to the end (seen for example in those crowds) while also being transformed into the negative images of that which they unconsciously resist, to this degree therefore all implicitly held values will be made to bear something of the weight of "being a self"...

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:00 pm

It is indeed a field of potential, but it isnt clear to me yet in what kind of direction that field can be potentiated... because with brainwashed humans made up of indifference and sadism, its really hard for me to see them as better than, at best, rot.

Ive seen people respond to Kanye's abduction with 'oh hes just crazy' - those people are full blown value-rot. Every single last one of these dumbass goons, cattle on the pharma farm, is bad news for any other human they touch the lives of. They are literally just diseases. I dont value them as entities, though Ive tried. They have no power to respond based off themselves, their human, conscious valuing is entirely aborted.

Or do you suppose it is still retrievable?

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:33 pm

Good tough valuecatfight. The moment its titled after is actually brutal.


 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:52 pm

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It is indeed a field of potential, but it isnt clear to me yet in what kind of direction that field can be potentiated... because with brainwashed humans made up of indifference and sadism, its really hard for me to see them as better than, at best, rot.

Ive seen people respond to Kanye's abduction with 'oh hes just crazy' - those people are full blown value-rot. Every single last one of these dumbass goons, cattle on the pharma farm, is bad news for any other human they touch the lives of. They are literally just diseases. I dont value them as entities, though Ive tried. They have no power to respond based off themselves, their human, conscious valuing is entirely aborted.

Or do you suppose it is still retrievable?

I think only retrievable in a theoretical sense, they would need to be subject to a stark reality principle with no further easy emotional benefit to be gained by persisting in facile nonsense. Obviously in 99.9%  of cases those conditions are absent.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:08 pm

Mellowed down a little, Im setting hopes for 80 percent, so 20 percent retrievable, which means I have to explicitly, or 'exoterically' aim for the majority. We have to spread the feeling that the goons are indeed goons and thus doomed -- not as terrorism but because it is the case. I am quite distraught thinking of the immensity of ignorance. How do we spread, quickly, a virus of knowledge?

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:20 am

In my experience knowledge must be desired, sought actively. If they aren't at the point of curious arousal before truth as such, I don't know if anything can force growth upon them. 

I'm working on trying to reach a Nietzschean height for myself in terms of writing in the age I am in between centering thought in writing forward into the future. Still too "theoretical" myself, I need to push theory into life. Give birth to thoughts in time. Unapologetic power. 

You could focus on films and memes. Spread that shit all over YouTube.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:55 am

I need a format.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:57 am

Help me out here, give me some aesthetics, Post some power, anime, music, captions, topics, feed me raw materials Ill make a series of new videos.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:01 am

I propose we use this thread as a vehicle for all this.
I invite everyone to post some political & cultural excesses and Ill post back the videos here. Ill want harsh reviews, as I need to move beyond my <100 viewcounts.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:04 am

I used to get thousands easily, in total I am close to a million across my accounts with a max of 80000... what Ive seen work is stuff about other stuff.

its entirely Deleuzian.



 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:09 am

Yeah knowledge must be desired... and the desire can in some cases be awakened, in those, I d say, who have been floating half alive in the pool of mud that entitlementculture is, born in there perhaps, but possibly with righteous constitutions -we could spread the scent of purity, of the will to knowledge and the pride of context, which they lack - the thrill of tectonic transgression, the realization of truth as a phenomenon, a daemon, a firestorm one may find a way to embody, it is likely that among unfortunate peons of last manhood there are those who can be made to smell the blood on the thorn of life, or the honey in the claw of the bear, etc.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:13 am

You should write a fictive autobiography of a young guy born into this culture and who has found a glimpse of life, and writes a manifesto "Born into Death".

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:16 am

Good idea about a fictional story. 

I'll post anything in here by way ideas material, but I'm not very good at that sort of thing. I avoid social media like the plague, but I do pick up things from time to time. Maybe you can start a topic similar to my America topic-- a pure appreciation for the spirit and logic of something significant, in all sort of media formats.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:22 am

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[Intro - Kanye West:]
Yeah, 9: 08 L.A. time
Back in the lab and shit

[Verse 1 - Kanye West:]
My wife said, I can't say no to nobody
And at this rate we gon both die broke
Got friends that ask me for money knowing I'm in debt
And like my wife said, I still didn't say no
People tryna say I'm going crazy on Twitter
My friends best advice was to stay low
I guess it's hard to decipher all of the bills
Especially when you got family members on payroll
The media said it was outlandish spending
The media said he's way out of control
I just feel like I'm the only one not pretending
I'm not out of control, I'm just not in their control
I know I'm the most influential
That TIME cover was just confirmation
This generation's closest thing to Einstein
So don't worry about me, I'm fine
I can see a thousand years from now in real life
Skate on the paradigm and shift it when I feel like
Grow conventional thought, don't need to question
I know it's antiquated so sometimes I get aggressive
Thank God For Jay Electra, he down with the mission
Did it with with no permission, on our own conditions
Most Blacks with money have been beaten to submission
Yeezy with the big house, did it way different
Never listen to Hollywood producers
Don't stare at money too long, it's Medusa
The ultimate Gemini has survived
I wasn't supposed to make it past 25

[Chorus - Sampha:]
And you're looking at the church in the night sky
Wondering whether God's gonna say hi
I've been looking in the church in the night sky
And you wonder where is God in your nightlife
Yeah, you're looking at the church in the night sky
Father, father, father
Wondering whether God's gonna say hi
The night sky, I feel like I'm home, baby

[Verse 2 - Kanye West:]
I've been waking the spirits of millions more to come
A million illegally downloaded my truth over the drums
I believe in the children, listen to the kids, bro
If the phone ringing, go and get your kids ho
Brother Don Muhammad told the minister about the presentation
He sat back and smiled
Black on black lies is worse than black on black crime
The jews share they truth on how to make a dime
Most black men couldn't balance a checkbook
But buy a new car, talking bout how my neck look?
Well it all looks great
Four hundred years later, we buying our own chains
The light is before us brothers, so the devil working hard
Real family stick together and see through the mirage
The smokescreens, perceptions of false reality
Who the real owner if your boss gets a salary?
I am one with the people
I am one with the people, real
I've been working from enlightened man's dream
Checking Instagram comments to crowdsource my self esteem
Let me not say too much or do too much
Cause if I'm up way too much, I'm out of touch
I'm praying a out-of-body experience will happen
So the people can see my light, now it's not just rapping
God, I have humbled myself before the court
Drop my ego and confidence was my last resort
I know, I know he got a plan, I know I'm on your beams
One set of footsteps, you was carrying me
When I turned on the news and they was burying me
One set of footsteps, you was carrying me
When I was negotiating with Apple, it was Larry and me
Told Tim Cook to call me, I was scary to see
I would've took a hundred million and gave twenty to Hov
I heard it's the way they did it when we only had the stove
But it's better that I stayed at home with my folks
Cause if Jay a billionaire then I'm a never go broke
Only thing I ask is next time I'm on stage we all go
We all go
Not just by myself, looking for niggas like where's Waldo
She got the same shoes as my wife but she copped em at Aldo
Modern day MJ with an off the wall flow

[Bridge - Sampha:]
My life walk all over me
Walk all over me
I'm delivering everything I've ever sent to you, bring
Fly, fly, fly overseas
Fly overseas
Oh, anywhere, everything but in between

[Chorus - Sampha:]
Yeah, you're looking in the church in the night sky
Wondering whether God's gonna say hi
Oh, you're looking in the church in the night sky
And you wonder where is God in your nightlife
Yeah, you're looking in the church in the night sky
Wondering whether God's gonna say hi

[Outro - Sampha:]
Please face me when I speak
Please say to me somethin' before you leave
You've been treatin' me like I'm invisible
Not visible to you
Oh the invisible truths they sold
I can't quite understand the games you play
Understand, understand
Understand I'm standin' under oath
And I promised I, I wouldn't fall anymore
But I'm cryin' at the bar
I'm wishin' that you saw my scars
I'm wishin' that you came down here
And stood by me

And look at me
Like you knew me
But I feel so alone
Like I don't know anyone but the night sky


[Chorus]

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:43 pm

Thats already priceless. I went on to quote it elsewhere.
Hey, fuck social media. I just mean good art.


 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:45 pm

Naturally the video is blocked. Lol. These ants are so zealous.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:17 pm

The only 'will to power' power of ants is to either use what is not theirs, for building that which they do not comprehend, or a deliberate act of banal ignorance and censorship.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:18 pm

Censorship speaks most to that reality which it exists only to deny as lack of strength.

 

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PostSubject: Re: West 2024 [the brutal quest for an American Democratic ticket]   Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:45 pm

Censorship implies that only the controlling agent has the right to an opinion. This is excluding certain words that the controlling agent deems inappropriate and does not use themselves.
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