Trump and Metaphysics: A Continuing Thought-stream

We still have remnants of Puritanism here, indeed American women are often "hysterical" as you said. It's a kind of cocoon for emotional valuing, just as sexuality itself is interestingly always a real negotiation between modesty and immodesty..

Just a question here, out of pure curiosity, see if there is a possible answer or angle.

What part of the world has the least hysterical, most self-real women?

Fixed Cross wrote:

Just a question here, out of pure curiosity, see if there is a possible answer or angle.

What part of the world has the least hysterical, most self-real women?

I'm not sure, I wonder if France could be a contender here? Or Russia?

Capable wrote:

Fixed Cross wrote:

Just a question here, out of pure curiosity, see if there is a possible answer or angle.

What part of the world has the least hysterical, most self-real women?

I'm not sure, I wonder if France could be a contender here? Or Russia?

Or maybe look at some of the African countries?

Soros has billions of dollars and instead of fucking off to his golden toilet like a normal person, he has to manipulate currencies and crash the economies of foreign nations to destabilize their government, so that a new, more... left leaning political order can be instituted there, one more sympathetic to his utopian messianic complex, to his globalist idealogy.  He's funding the anti-Trump protests. To the same purpose: balkanization. He funded the BLM protests too. Balkanization is all this is, the organized and concerted effort to destabilize a country by breaking its population down into a bunch of mutually hostile subgroups, on racial lines, gender lines, etc. So when these douches call for coming together and tolerance and love and all of this, and then turn around an hour after the election and start burning their cities down and calling for race wars, it's because, even if they don't know it, the people who they are being led by want exactly the opposite of peace. Peace, from the perspective of the global corporate elite, is stagnation. There is more opportunity... in war. You can more easily manipulate a population that is at war with itself.

Yes, because "peace" can only mean an active condition, not a passive one.

Peace is a false concept because it obscures the distinction between passive and active states of satisfied/predictable expectations. This includes satisfaction of basic material wants and desires, which are only means and never ends.

Passive peace, the modern Jesus-ified God-worshipping braindead "liberal" (in the modern meaning), posits that these basic conditions are the ends of life, and therefore seeks for the destruction of consciousness in order animal-ify people into cows. But real humans are never satisfied with basic wants and needs, at least not unless they also have higher values posited over and above those wants and needs. Right now the battle is between the dying mind (epitomized as a set of eyeballs staring into a Facebook screen) that is the necessary consequence of the non-concept of peace as passivity, and true consciousness which simply is what "life" is and has always meant.

Ironically all these liberal values today aren't even means or ends, they are just a symptom, a kind of spasming of the dying mind that is still nonetheless trying semi-consciously to posit at least a minimal threshold of active meaning for itself.

Active peace, which means real peace, is won every second of every day, just as is the Mind.

Capable wrote:

Fixed Cross wrote:

Just a question here, out of pure curiosity, see if there is a possible answer or angle.

What part of the world has the least hysterical, most self-real women?

I'm not sure, I wonder if France could be a contender here? Or Russia?

Marion Le Pen is a French lady that has a lot of independence. Yes, French independent ladies are many.
Italians however are much more fiery and clear about their values. I'd say Italian women are the strongest on the planet.

Russians are immensely beautiful, but I wouldnt trust them. They are too much bred in survival of deep misery, I couldnt expect them ever to truly relax.

African women, Ive known a few from Ghana, they are fierce. And honest, it seems.
I also knew a South African girl who was very powerful, but unreliable as hell.

Colombian women seem free spirited. They are often shaped unrealistically voluptuous, truly a bit much. But in as far as Ive known them, they were incredibly funny and clever.

When I was with my Austrian girl she was making a lot of Scandinavian girlfriends. One from Sweden and one from Iceland were impressive. Highly independent and physical and still very feminine. Still the Italian women have an authority that only functions to give the man more self-respect, so that he can be worthy of her. The Italian woman knows perfectly well what her power is, and she has been cultivated to use i tin the most fertile way.

Italy still produces by far the most valuable products. The world could luxuriously live on Italian products.

Japan, Italy and the US together can make everything.

Is it time for this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqfpkTTy2w

There's so many different layers to what is happening:


A new political order is dawing; Russia and US will leverage their nuclear arsenals against the globalist hordes and pursue economic independence. Our government spends billions upon billions funding the military and defenses of foreign nations in order to preserve the "friendships" that allow this globalist structure, the world-economy to endure, which the corporate elite uses to infiltrate our political machinery and sets upon like vampires so as to drain the population of its wealth.

The analogues of this new order popping up all across the world, ie. Brexit.

The left-right paradigm is eroding and the two party system has done what was imagined impossible at least in the US: collapsed. There is no democratic party anymore, they didn't just lose. They lost the presidency, the house, the senate, and the supreme court. The sources of corporate funding for the DNC both within the US and abroad have cut them off after Clinton's pathetic failure, because they no longer can trust the polling firms or anything else that they were using to place their bets in an age in which posting memes on the internet can more effectively shift the balance of international power than a billion dollar campaign or the most organized activism. With Trump, the democratic strategy to exploit immigration in order to shift the electoral map will be stopped; they have no strategy for winning future elections. Public trust in the media has completely collapsed after their smear campaign and fake polls were are proven conclusively bullshit, after all the leaks; so the propaganda machine, the state-run media operating on behalf of the Democratic party has been destroyed, which was one of their most powerful tools. All the heads of the DNC are currently melting down and attacking one another. Their bench has been emptied of potential candidates for the future because Clinton manipulated them into putting all their eggs into her basket. And the republicans are gone too, they only survive in name; now there is only the Trump "party" and the anti-Trump "party."  All the anti-trump neocons- the conventional "republicans" will be slowly removed as Trump gets to work. Trump destroyed the Republican party from within; the democratic party was destroyed from the outside.


Then we've got the draining the swamp angle, removing all these corrupt political elites from Washington. The continued balkanization by those still holding on to the false utopia like Soros.

I have been thinking that liberalism is a consequence of population density, a necessary consequence because of how people will compensate in interesting ways when forced into such confined spaces with each other. Why are urban areas so liberal? It isn't due to the often repeated "better education in cities than rural areas", since education in cities and especially in the most densely populated urban areas is, for the most part, complete shit. The real reason is that when you force so many people to live in confined spaces with each other, the proper structure of the self and its external relations begins to break down; we become closer to animals, in a weird but literal way, almost approaching an unconscious pack mentality.

The mind is an independent, free thing and it naturally craves space. Whether in physical space, mental or emotional space, financial space, we all natural need space and we are driven toward it, like we were a dense high pressure front looking to relax itself into a low pressure zone. This is why Americans naturally moved west. But we also need to live among others, and social norms dictate how this will take place; the problem is that according to these social norms, too, spaces are needed, and once space is constricted beyond a certain point even the social natural norms begin to break down.

Liberalism as we see it today, which is basically just radical political correctness (and thus the opposite of "natural social norms" such as standards of common decency (I like how Zizek, who is so opposed to political correctness, draws the distinction between PC which we must be absolutely opposed to, and common standards of decency which we must be absolutely in favor of)) is really the symptom of this collapsing of the natural social norms due to the constriction of the spaces between people. What happens is that in urban areas, people are forced together and this causes psychological discomfort and self-valuing violations at the conscious and unconscious levels -- these violations cannot be mitigated, because they result from the environment itself and in such a way as that environment cannot be changed to alleviate the violations. Liberalism is about the collapse of the structures of the mind, which temporarily relieves some values into direct and open expression, namely those values become the outward basis on which subjective acts will occur in so far as other aspects of the subjective (the mental, and the wider emotional-sane) are de-cohering. This temporary relief of values is the orgy of shallow emotionalism and reactionary unthinking black or white judgments: the values seem to be being followed and upheld, but in reality it is only the image of those values that is being clung to, and since it is not possible to cling to a mere image of a value the "clinging-to" itself becomes the sole driving psychological force, namely there is always an immediate and irresistible pressure to judge something either good or bad, either with or against oneself; anything that doesn't challenge the dominance of the image of the value is accepted as good, while anything that does pose a challenge to that image is deemed bad and resisted at the emotional, pre-conceptual level.

The other obvious function of liberalism vis a vis urbanization is to smooth the interactions between people, to minimize the overt discomfort of 'sharp' self-valuing interactions. This is basically just leveling the field of possible discourse to a set of statements and feelings that would not provoke another person by posing a challenge to the other person's image of their own values. Namely, this is the causal root of political correctness, and precisely why it goes so much further than either basic standards of common decency or natural social norms. The function of standards of decency is to uphold the possibility of higher interactions of a civilized nature, to push animal sociality up into the cognitive and mental, toward meaning and wider significance, by rejecting those sort of interactions that would simply tear down the metaphysical bases of civilization as such, while the function of natural social norms is to smooth social interactions of their "sharp" edges only so far as to seek the optimum balance between one's own self-valuing and that of another person, yet without recourse to the kind of deeply damaged and pre-cognitive suffering that defines the clinging-to the mere image of value that characterizes the liberal.

It is true that both common decency standards and natural social norms do also restrict the sphere of possible communications and meaning, and one healthy outlet for dealing with this and mediating it is comedy. Another is philosophy. Another is friendship and love, where it becomes possible to say things that one would not otherwise be able to say in the company of others. All of these kind of outlets mediate the detrimental restrictive nature of decency standards and social norms to make them more useful and less damaging, to open up spaces of exteriority against those restrictions and thus justify the standards and the norms even further; but there is no corresponding healthy outlet or mediating mechanism for the basis of liberalism qua radical political correctness, because PC doesn't follow the logic of decency standards of social norms, it doesn't exist for the same reasons: common standards of decency and natural social norms exist because of an overflow and excess of life, of consciousness, of self-valuing, while political correctness exists because of a stifling and absence of life, consciousness and self-valuing. Common standards of decency and natural social norms exist to open up life, consciousness and self-valuing to larger possibilities in their own terms, while PC exists to narrow down these possibilities for the sake of preventing any intrusions that could be felt as any kind of pain.

Fear of pain... that is really the basis of liberal political correctness. What is the reason for this fear?

The basis is simply that these people have been hurt too much. They have been traumatized in certain ways, namely not allowed to formulate in childhood the experiences that would later inform the production of an independent mind and its will to freedom and self-honest strength before pain, but also more generally the constant background trauma of the urbanized environment. Packing that many people together into a single space will not immediately traumatize, at first it can uplift and enliven us and expand our experience and our freedoms, but over time the situation wears upon self-valuing and does not allow self-valuing adequate space or time to manage its own construction, activity and shape. Continuous noise and light pollution, the never-ending pressing-upon of the presence of other minds, the thousand little laws and restrictions to which one must conform, as if one were living inside an integrated circuit and had to follow only a set of pre-determined paths here or there, all of this exerts a certain kind of pressure on human conscious self-valuing that, over time, deforms it, or at least makes it much more sensitive to certain kind of pains. Thus this over-sensitivity is the root of political correctness in so far as political correctness exists to impossibilize encounters with pains.

This is why the obvious insight, often stated, is so true: that liberals are children. In an emotional sense they are still hyper-sensitive to certain kinds of pain, thus they resist the reality principle's impositions; thus they resist Trump and what he stands for, but also because they are not able to get enough accurate data and cognitively parse it to realize that their judgments of Trump and what he stands for are inadequate and inaccurate... these people rely on the mainstream news outlets and Twitter/Facebook for their data-gathering, so when you combine that with their natural aversion to cognitive work that would produce results acting as an imposing reality principle and limit, you can easily see at the psychological and philosophical level why they act the way they do.

But all of this is just a kind of mechanism, and doesn't actually speak to their values. It is their deeper values that more define them, not the operations of this shitty and shallow mechanism. And it is on a basis of values and shared values that it is possible for liberals and conservatives to interact with each other and find common ground. The conservative needs to frame the values in non-threatening ways so the liberal can tolerate them, and the liberal needs to frame the values in ways that identify or express, if only a little, the imposition of a reality principle; in this way they can get together and communicate about values. Both liberals and conservatives have damaged psyches that make it very hard to raise conversation to anything approaching a philosophical standard.

And I agree, the political parties are dissolving right now into pro-Trump and anti-Trump. The anti-Trump people are basically angry that he said "pussy" and that he rejects political correctness, since political correctness is their own cradle and safety blanket, while the pro-Trump people are basically fed up with with being subjected to the psychological mechanism of the anti-Trump people.

The really irresponsible ones, in terms of honesty and the fragility of civilization and civilized discourse, has been Clinton and Kaine. They kept repeating "Trump called Mexicans rapists" despite this isn't at all what Trump said or meant. The liberals intentionally distort the meaning of what Trump said, and they go even further and actually distort the words themselves, in order to make the liberal side seem argumentatively easier and morally superior. Obviously anyone who would say "Mexicans are rapists" would be easy to oppose. But Trump never said that, he didn't even say anything close to that. The Clinton-Kaine team knew this, the main media news also knew it, but they all went along with the lie anyway because they are a bunch of pathologically dishonest shitheads obsessed with their little orgy of self-righteousness.

Now you have protesters and millions of liberals in American who literally believe Trump said Mexicans are rapists; or, as some of them believe, they just don't care to distinguish between what Trump said and what the liberal PC hype is saying that he said. For all these people this is all mostly about self-psychological mechanism and intellectual dishonesty in favor of upholding the easiest, most entropically-collapsed form of subjectivity and sociality possible... it is still a little bit about their true values, for example when Trump talks about doing things to women that could possibly, based on the situation of course, constitute sexual assault ("grabbing them by the pussy" and all that), understandably that is going to be offensive to people. But it is as if these people didn't already know that this sort of thing is alway going on, people are always talking like this, and male sexuality is a strange and intense thing, so is male comradery among peers when no women are around. And it isnt as if women don't talk to each other about things that could, taken out of context and literally, constitute "sexual assault" or just plain offensive. Sexual banter and braggadocio is a deep part of human nature; all these upset liberals are just deliberately ignoring this fact, so they can keep the fuel of their anger and self-righteousness going. And besides, it's the liberals right now who are pushing sex contracts at universities and all that bullshit.

Yes, Trump is somewhat of an asshole. Assholes exist. We already knew that. I suspect he may have a very mild form of autism, actually. But he didn't advocate lynching of black people, he didn't call Mexicans rapists, and he didn't say we should be sexually assaulting women. Maybe we can all move on now.

All the big news media and all the liberals only care about is getting their headline "Mexicans are rapists", which they splashed around everywhere next to Trump's name. What a fucking joke, what a fucking waste of space these people are. To have that kind of intellectual dishonesty is stunning. Even back when I disliked Trump very strongly, I was able to realize that these statements about "Trump called Mexicans rapists" such as Clinton and all the rest were saying, was untrue. I mean, how in the fuck does a human being have this level of moral self-dishonesty, to twist someone's words and meaning like that? I cannot fathom the sheer depravity of it.

Once a deliberate lie is told, it's all over. Once your own side of the argument relies on deliberate lies of this sort, no further proof is needed that your own side is wrong. So I guess at an unconscious level, every time one of these people repeated "Trump said Mexicans are rapists" a small part of themselves was forced to admit that their own position here was bullshit, and thus was also forced to admit, even if only by denying the fact, that their own arguments were specious and possibly entirely inaccurate.

This is how honesty forms. From the bowels.

Liberalism and conservatism are connected to 'mental illness' just as ideology is connected to schizophrenia. It has to do with a mismatch between the self and its environment; since the environment is the more immutable, prior and spatially and temporally extensive of the two terms (self and environment), this mismatch is the primary fault of environment and only secondary fault or no fault at all of the self. In other words: the world makes damaged people.

I think this natural tendency toward more liberal society with an increasing population that you describe gets co-opted by the elite class and transformed into radical leftist idealogy like with the work of the Frankfurt school, to produce radical divisions in society and a more easily controllable populace, which is what the elite class, both the corporate-political and academic elite, want above everything else; to produce the BLM guys, the feminists, the communists, doesn't matter they're all basically the same ideology just applied to different subjects, class, race, gender. Left alone, it would seem that this liberal progression would lead to where we want to go; open markets, more stable, more independent societies, relating to each other on a purely voluntary basis, etc. But in that kind of a society, the elites would serve no purpose, they wouldn't exist. So they hijack this process and create what is now coming to a head in the hysterical resistance to Trump:

Yeah I've had to argue with a bunch of people telling me Trump is going to fill his cabinet with the Washington insiders and corrupt elites he is claiming he will purge; the argument is done, for Trump is calling for the entire public to send in resumes to be part of his administration:


https://www.greatagain.gov/serve-america.html

Haha fuck yeah that's great. And even if he does use some insiders, he will be converting the to his side, not the other way around.

@RlyLiberalGuy #BlackChineseTrans are the future!

It's much easier for the environment to change the self than for the self to change the environment. On small scales this isn't the case, but in general and in the significant things it is the case. It is very difficult for an individual person to change the structure of his society, for example, but the kind of society and environmental experiences we have will quiet easily change the individual. It is possible that only two things are responsible for the individual self to to resist changing at the behest of the environment: genetics and philosophy.

The world makes shitty people, and makes people do shitty things, but these people did not make the world this way-- it already was, 'the world' precedes the individual. We could say that the world is just those factors which structure subjectivity in time. And ironically the world doesn't really even exist, only individuals exist. But the world as structuring-individual causes the individual to forget his own existence, which forgetfulness is translated as "mental illness" today.

Trump is a correction that reminds people, even in spite of themselves, they are alive.

A KGB propagandist defector explains the psychology behind this hysterical reaction to Trump, even against all reason and evidence:



(Turning to Besmenov):

When the Soviets use the phrase "ideological subversion" what do they mean by it?

YURI ALEXANDROVICH BEZMENOV: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate, overt and open -- you can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do -- all American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes, and they can see. There is no mystery. There's nothing to do with espionage.

I know espionage, intelligence gathering, looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through the advertising, probably. That's why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers.

But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion, and opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either "ideological subversion" or "active measures", активные меры in the language of the KGB, or "psychological warfare".

What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow, and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from fifteen to twenty years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy, exposed to the ideology of the enemy.

In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.

The result? The result you can see.

Most of the people who graduated in the 60s, drop-outs or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power: the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system.

You are stuck with them.

You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern.

You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logical behavior.

In other words, these people -- the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To get rid society of these people you need another 20 or 15 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common-sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.

G. EDWARD GRIFFIN: And yet, these people who have been programmed, and as you say "in place" who are favorable and open to the Soviet concept, these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?

YURI ALEXANDROVICH BEZMENOV: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock, when they will see in future what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice, obviously, they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people. And the Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously, they will join the leagues of dissenters. Dissidents.


The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already. For the last 25 years -- actually, it's over-fulfilled. Because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success.

Most if it is done by Americans to Americans. Thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him.

Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camps, he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls -- THEN he will understand. But not before that. That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

2. The next stage is destabilization.

This time, subverter does not care about your ideas, and the patterns of your consumption. Whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby doesn't matter any more. This time -- and it takes only from 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation -- it's -- what matters is essentials: economy, foreign relations, defence systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some areas, in such sensitive areas as defence and economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic.

I could never believe it, fourteen years ago, when I landed in this part of the world, that the process will go that fast.

3. The next stage, of course is crisis.

It may take only up to six weeks to bring a country to the verge of crisis. You can see it in Central America, now.

4. And, after crisis, with a violent change of power structure and economy, you have so-called a period of "normalization". It may last indefinitely.

Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 1968, Comrade Breznev said: "Now, the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized."

This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these schmucks to bring the country to crisis. To promise people all kinds of goodies, and a paradise on earth. Just to destabilize your economy. To eliminate the principle of free-market competition. And to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise LOTS of things -- never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.

He will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of new generation of Soviet assassins. Never mind. He will create false illusions that the situation is under control. The situation is NOT under control.

The situation is disgustingly OUT of control.

Most of the American politicians, media and educational system trains another generation of people who think that they are living at the peace time. False. United States is in a state of war. Undeclared total war against the basic principles and the foundations of this system.

And the initiator of this war is not Comrade Andropov, of course. It's the system -- however ridiculous it may sound -- the world communist system or the world communist conspiracy. Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. If you are not scared by now, nothing can scare you.

But you don't have to be paranoid about it. What actually happens now, that unlike myself, you have literally several years to live on unless United States wakes up -- the time bomb is ticking. With every second, the disaster is coming closer and closer, and unlike myself, you will have nowhere to defect to.

Unless you want to live in Antarctica with penguins.

This is it. This is the last country of freedom and possibility.

G. EDWARD GRIFFIN: Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American people?

YURI ALEXANDROVICH BEZMENOV: Well, the immediate thing that comes to my mind is of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of real patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain them the real danger of socialist, communist, whatever, welfare state, Big Brother government.

If people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help the United States. You may kiss goodbye to your freedom, including freedoms to homosexuals, to the prison inmates. All this freedom will vanish, evaporated in 5 seconds, including your precious lives.

The second thing -- the moment at least part of the United States' population is convinced that the danger is real, they have to force their government, and I'm not talking about sending letters, signing petitions, and all this beautiful noble activity.

I am talking about forcing United States government to STOP aiding communism.

"the world communist system or the world communist conspiracy"

The equivalent English expression he's looking for is "globalism".