Religion of peace

Sisyphus wrote:

Aren't religions great?

"2017.03.06 India Roorkee 1 0 A 23-year-old woman is strangled by her own mother and sisters on suspicion of sexual activity."

Jesus fucking christ. No, fuck religion.

"Turkish President Recep Erdogan has urged all Turks living in Europe to have at least five children, saying they are the future of the continent and that it would be the best response to the “injustices” imposed on expatriates there.
“Go live in better neighborhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses. Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe. That will be the best response to the injustices against you,” Erdogan said in the city of Eskisehir on Friday, according to AP.

The comments were made while the Turkish president was campaigning for a ‘yes’ vote in an upcoming constitutional referendum that would grant him sweeping new powers.

It is the latest in an ongoing string of comments aimed at Europe after Turkish ministers were prevented from holding campaign rallies there.

The Netherlands has bore the brunt of the criticisms, after it prevented the ministers from addressing a crowd in Rotterdam on Sunday, and later used water cannons to disperse Turkish demonstrators in the city.

Since then, Erdogan has hurled a string of insults at the European country, including accusing it of state terrorism, acting like “Nazi remnants,” and having a “rotten” character.

However, the president is not the only government official who has made his distaste for the Dutch known.

The country’s interior minister, Suleyman Soylu, said late Thursday that the EU is “playing games” to prevent Ankara from becoming strong, suggesting that Turkey could send 15,000 refugees a month to Europe to “blow its mind.” The minister singled out both the Netherlands and Germany, as three German states previously cancelled scheduled rallies.

Also on Thursday, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu warned that Europe is headed for “wars of religion,” claiming Dutch politicians are taking the continent “to a cliff.”

In an effort to achieve a ‘yes’ vote in the referendum, Erdogan is heavily relying on support from the 5.5 million Turkish citizens living abroad.

If the legislation goes ahead, it would give the president the power to issue decrees, declare emergency rule, appoint ministers and state officials, and dissolve parliament.

Critics of the move say the success of the referendum would abolish the country’s system of checks and balances."

http://archive.is/rYyJk#selection-815.0-891.112

Thrasymachus wrote:

Thousands of cases of illegal child abuse in UK at the hands of Muslims, and no prosecutions or arrests.

Yep, sounds about right.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/08/nhs-england-records-5500-cases-fgm-2016-no-prosecutions/

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0


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Quote :

The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”

How do you wrap hour mind around that.?

Hey Arc, nice to see you back.

Yes, that whole Afghanistan war seems entirely to revolve around pocketing the poppy field yields and about keeping the 'right' Afghans friendly to that end.

Here's an interesting view on Breitbart from a Saudi muslim on how Islam has to reform like Christianity has done.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/03/26/saudi-writer-arab-world-doomed-to-fail-if-its-culture-not-held-up-to-critical-light/

Quote :

TEL AVIV – The Arab and Muslim world will remain in the dark ages unless it confronts the reason for its culture of hate, a Saudi columnist wrote in Al Arabiya last week, and claimed that the rise of what he termed the “extremist right-wing” in the West is a reaction to Islamic extremism.

The Saudi columnist, Mohammed Al-Shaikh, previously has espoused views supportive of President Donald Trump.

In his latest column, Al-Shaikh begins by noting that had Europeans not subjected their medieval beliefs and attitudes to critical analysis, “They would still be repeating priestly statements that call for violence and base them on sectarian and religious pillars.”

According to Al-Shaikh, the Arab and Muslim world is still stuck at the juncture the West left behind during the Enlightenment, with a belief system based on emotion and not on logic, reason and facts.

“I am completely convinced that as Arabs and Muslims we will not exit the whirlpool we are living in and will continue to suffer unless we adopt the same critical approach,” he writes.

“Yes, we will eliminate ISIS and al-Qaeda, and perhaps also the Muslim Brotherhood. However, parts of our legacy, which led to the rise of these terrorist groups, is greatly capable of producing another ISIS, al-Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood.”

“I know giving up emotions is very difficult, especially if the matter is intertwined with identity, but it is critical that we do so,” Al-Shaik adds. “There is no cure to the underdevelopment which bred terrorism unless through this painful confrontation.”

Al-Shaik adds that the problem is further compounded by “traders” who thrive on keeping the Arabs in the dark ages to suit their own ends.

Al-Shaikh claimed that there is a correlation between the rise of what he called the “extremist right-wing” in the West and Islamic extremism, which focused on “importing past concepts and culture and imposing it via violence and the power of weapons.”

This made the West and East fear us and our cultural heritage. They began to think of ways to protect their people from this lurking beast called “Islamic terrorism” and this is what pushed communities, particularly in the West, to gather around right-wing politicians whose rhetoric is based on hostility toward foreigners and on restraining immigrants, particularly those from Muslim countries.

I am of a firm belief that if we do not address our situation, renew our true cultural beliefs and tackle the reasons that resulted in this culture of hate, the future of Arabs and Muslims will remain dark.

Al-Shaikh ends with a call to differentiate between that which is truly sacred and untouchable, such as the Koran, and those things that are malleable to adaptation. Without finding the middle road to exist in harmony with the modern world, writes Al Shaikh, the Arab world is doomed to collapse.

“There is no other solution but to renew the legacy and differentiate between what is sacred and untouchable, like the Quran, and what is capable of being developed. We can either take the path to harmony with modern times or wait for the downfall,” he concluded.

In an article in the same paper published in January, Al Shaikh opined that President Donald Trump could “eradicate terrorism by using the same strategy that is used against the drug mafia.”

He added that he was pleased by Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton.

“I am among a large number of those who are heartened by the fall of Hillary Clinton – the female version of the indecisive and timid Obama, and Trump’s triumph,” he wrote.

Very good to see such things being written from within Islam. He is right of course that the Clintons of the world are the ones pushing Islam to remain in the dark ages.

It is very good indeed.
This may be the first such account I've read from within the religion.
Even more remarkable is it's from a Saudi Arabian.

This could herald something... but let's not cheer too loudly too soon.

There was a woman, a Muslim, who said similar things on an NPR interview either just before or just after Trump won. These voices are out there, but are severe minorities. They risk death for speaking out against the Mullahs. Even the NPR host was arguing with her as if he knew what the fuck he was talking about, which he didn't at all.

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A new Pew Research Center survey of Muslims around the globe finds that most adherents of the world’s second-largest religion are deeply committed to their faith and want its teachings to shape not only their personal lives but also their societies and politics. In all but a handful of the 39 countries surveyed, a majority of Muslims say that Islam is the one true faith leading to eternal life in heaven and that belief in God is necessary to be a moral person. Many also think that their religious leaders should have at least some influence over political matters. And many express a desire for sharia – traditional Islamic law – to be recognized as the official law of their country.

The percentage of Muslims who say they want sharia to be “the official law of the land” varies widely around the world, from fewer than one-in-ten in Azerbaijan (8%) to near unanimity in Afghanistan (99%). But solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories."


http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf


"13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam."


"Sharia
Sharia, or Islamic law, offers moral and legal guidance for nearly all aspects of life – from marriage and divorce, to inheritance and contracts, to criminal punishments. Sharia, in its broadest definition, refers to the ethical principles set down in Islam’s holy book (the Quran) and examples of actions by the Prophet Muhammad (sunna). The Islamic jurisprudence that comes out of the human exercise of codifying and interpreting these principles is known as fiqh. Muslim scholars and jurists continue to debate the boundary between sharia and fiqh as well as other aspects of Islamic law."


..."There is considerable disagreement over whether a wife should be able to initiate a divorce and whether a daughter should be able to receive an inheritance equal to a son’s.

Across five of the six major regions included in
the study, majorities of Muslims in most
countries say a woman should be able to decide
for herself whether to wear a veil in public.
Medians of roughly seven-in-ten or more take
this view in Southern and Eastern Europe
(88%), Southeast Asia (79%) and Central Asia
(73%). But fewer say women should have this

right in South Asia (56%) and the Middle East-North Africa region (53%). Sub-Saharan Africa is the only region where a median of less than half (40%) think a woman should be able to decide for herself whether to wear a veil. (For more details on views toward veiling, see page 92.)

Although many Muslims endorse a woman’s right to choose how she appears in public, overwhelming majorities in most regions say a wife should always obey her husband. Medians of more than eight-in-ten Muslims express this view in Southeast Asia (93%), South Asia (88%), and the Middle East and North Africa (87%). Even in Central Asia, a region characterized by relatively low levels of religious observance and strong support for a woman’s right to decide whether to wear a veil, seven-in-ten Muslims agree that a wife should carry out her husband’s wishes."

"United States. A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam. A 2011 poll from Pew showed that 21 percent of Muslims are concerned about extremism among Muslim Americans. 19 percent of American Muslims as of 2011 said they were either favorable toward Al Qaeda or didn’t know.

In short, tens of millions of Muslims all over the world sympathize with the goals or tactics of terrorist groups – or both. That support is stronger outside the West, but it is present even in the West. Islamist extremism is not a passing or fading phenomenon – it is shockingly consistent over time. And the West’s attempts to brush off the ideology of fanaticism has been an overwhelming failure."

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

As tensions, censorship and fear increase in Europe and the US, this percentage of Muslims holding or sympathetic to extremist versions of Islam will only increase, because it will be even harder for moderate Muslims to be courageous and stand for values of tolerance and freedom. In short, extremist thinking is like a virus and tends to propagate itself, especially if the conditions are right.

I've never heard of a Christian who killed someone else because they claimed not to be a Christian, or questioned something about Christianity. Can you even imagine such a thing happening? "You don't believe in Jesus! Death to you!" No, the idea is absurd.

Essentially, modern Islam is going through what Christianity went through 500-800 years ago. That would be fine, except that Islam is soon going to be the world's largest religion, and the Christian/secular western world is not prepared to deal with it. The western world does not have the strength of self-value to rationally and coherently resist this new medievalism in its midst, due to the infection of Marxist ideology that has crippled western thinking-feeling-valuing.

So the dilemma becomes quite clear: Marxism has infected the west, leaving it confused and unable to value or defend itself. Now enter Islam, which is stuck 500-800 years in the past; the fusion of the Marxist-weakened western world with the medievalism of Islam as the soon-to-be largest religion in the world is going to lead to something very bad.

There are four options for how this will turn out:

1) Either Islam will balk and modernize, evolving past most of its medievalism, or

2) the west will balk and evolve past most of its Marxism, or

3) both Islam and the west will balk, meeting somewhere in the middle as a half-modernized Islam finds a strange way of coexisting within a half-Free/Rational western world, or

4) neither Islam nor the west will balk, meaning that Islam will continue to remain highly medieval and the west will continue to remain highly Marxist.


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So we have to think about the west in terms of the axis: Marxist-----|-----Free/Rational

And think about Islam in terms of the axis: Medieval-----|-----Modern


These two axis seem the most important political substances today, and their interaction is going to shape the future. And of course now we need to launch an examination into the medieval nature of Marxism, to set Marxist ideology itself upon the same continuum that we need to think about Islam in terms of, as above. And likewise, we also need to set Medieval Islamism upon the axis on which we need to think in terms of the western world, as follows:

Islam set somewhere upon the axis of: Marxist-----|-----Free/Rational

Western (Marxist) world set somewhere upon the axis of: Medieval-----|-----Modern

Thrasymachus wrote:

"United States. A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam. A 2011 poll from Pew showed that 21 percent of Muslims are concerned about extremism among Muslim Americans. 19 percent of American Muslims as of 2011 said they were either favorable toward Al Qaeda or didn’t know.

In short, tens of millions of Muslims all over the world sympathize with the goals or tactics of terrorist groups – or both. That support is stronger outside the West, but it is present even in the West. Islamist extremism is not a passing or fading phenomenon – it is shockingly consistent over time. And the West’s attempts to brush off the ideology of fanaticism has been an overwhelming failure."

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

Tens of millions is far, far too conservative. At the very utmost least one third of all muslims, in my estimation closer to three quarters or more, absolutely desire Sharia law.
I'd say at least a billion people will fight for it.
In Holland I would be surprised if there exists a single muslim who hasnt already been excommunicated who would dare to negate the merit of Sharia.

So it is very likely that we will see Sharia in Europe, at least in regions - well, there already is Sharia in England and France, in areas where police havent set foot in 10 or 20 years.

Utter madness, yes. Unbelievable the majority of citizens in these countries still support Marxist polices of suppressing the truth, making the people of these countries feel like strangers in their own lands.

I'd say about half the women I know and maybe 1/4 of the men I know are already Muslim, they just don't know it yet--- they shun critical thinking, are entirely passive in the face of authority and they want to be told what to do and how to feel and think.

Soros and that clan are already converted to Islam, whether or not they know it. And they're working to arrange western society in such a way so that mass Islamic conversion occurs suddenly and is near universal.

Islam + Google = 1984 fully realized.

I agree with the analysis of their internal logics - I also know however that the moment mass conversions would begin to take place is also the moment where mass conversions of real humans to war for honor will occur.
The more idiotic slaves open their mouths, the more real entities will revolt. It's a matter of taste - all the ugliness of death must come to the surface before life responds.
Europe.... it's a plasma, it's absolutely fucking opaque, there is no resolution in sight, not until Europeans start tuning in to my thoughts about the Rome-Amsterdam axis.

When Romans are proud of Amsterdam as of themselves and Amsterdammers are proud of Rome as of themselves, European union will exist, and Caesars work will make sense.

There are no religions of peace. They all are religions for the control of the masses.

You know, air is also a person. You racist breatharian.

it's no longer to make sensible, statement. Possible in this (environment??).... ))):

all-too-humanity.

Lets make a website full of the most horribly stupid shit and make a thousand millions.

Haha. That would be so easy.